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How Much Talent did Sark waste in 2013?

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  • HFNY
    HFNY Member Posts: 5,521
    So you're a strong believer in QBs like Jay Cutler, Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, JaMarcus Russell, etc etc?

    Good to know.
    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    whlinder said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    whlinder said:

    Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
    Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.

    I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite HonestlyI think the difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.
    Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.
    I'm not a strong believer in the QB intangibles thing. I will concede that Tui was better at making big plays when the team needed them though.
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  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 26,150 Standard Supporter
    Doogles said:

    Sark isn't terrible, he just needs the winds to blow his way perfectly to be successful.

    I hate to sound like Puppy, but he has amassed serious talent in Compton. His teams will never respond well to adversity, but he might have enough fire power to steam roll the south.

    Take your screenshots.

    Agreed.

    He's competent enough to be a power five coach, but he's never going to be an elite or really good coach. He's one of those people who can talk his way through life for a while, even for a few years. Eventually most figure out he's a soft fraud though.

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  • CFetters_Nacho_Lover
    CFetters_Nacho_Lover Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 32,783 Founders Club
    RoadDawg55 said:

    Good thread. That team was loaded with playmakers. It did have some weak spots too. And Price, despite the hype was an average QB in the PAC 12.

    Timu making the Bears would be interesting because everyone always said he sucked.

    Timu making da' Bears roster is more an indication of how bad da' Bears defense is.
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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    HFNY said:

    So you're a strong believer in QBs like Jay Cutler, Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, JaMarcus Russell, etc etc?

    Good to know.

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    whlinder said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    whlinder said:

    Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
    Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.

    I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite HonestlyI think the difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.
    Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.
    I'm not a strong believer in the QB intangibles thing. I will concede that Tui was better at making big plays when the team needed them though.
    No. Those guys fucking sucked.

    I believe in quarterbacks that actually make good plays, not "talented" gun slingers who suck.
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  • HeretoBeatmyChest
    HeretoBeatmyChest Member Posts: 4,295
    Josh Shirley had a sack yesterday for the Raiders. No idea what his status is but thats another guy from the 2013 squad.
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  • HFNY
    HFNY Member Posts: 5,521
    All of those guys were very good college players but lacked the intangibles to succeed at the next level (things like leadership, work ethic, absolute will to win etc etc etc).

    QBs like Russell Wilson and Joe Montana don't / didn't have ideal height and weight but they have those innate intangibles that has them not only making plays but also winning the Super Bowl.

    Same for Drew Brees.
    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    HFNY said:

    So you're a strong believer in QBs like Jay Cutler, Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, JaMarcus Russell, etc etc?

    Good to know.

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    whlinder said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    whlinder said:

    Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
    Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.

    I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite HonestlyI think the difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.
    Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.
    I'm not a strong believer in the QB intangibles thing. I will concede that Tui was better at making big plays when the team needed them though.
    No. Those guys fucking sucked.

    I believe in quarterbacks that actually make good plays, not "talented" gun slingers who suck.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,423 Standard Supporter
    HFNY said:

    All of those guys were very good college players but lacked the intangibles to succeed at the next level (things like leadership, work ethic, absolute will to win etc etc etc).

    QBs like Russell Wilson and Joe Montana don't / didn't have ideal height and weight but they have those innate intangibles that has them not only making plays but also winning the Super Bowl.

    Same for Drew Brees.

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    HFNY said:

    So you're a strong believer in QBs like Jay Cutler, Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, JaMarcus Russell, etc etc?

    Good to know.

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    whlinder said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    whlinder said:

    Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
    Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.

    I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite HonestlyI think the difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.
    Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.
    I'm not a strong believer in the QB intangibles thing. I will concede that Tui was better at making big plays when the team needed them though.
    No. Those guys fucking sucked.

    I believe in quarterbacks that actually make good plays, not "talented" gun slingers who suck.
    I disagree with Boobie about QB intangibles, but Montana and Russell Wilson produce and win. Same with Drew Bree's for the most part. Leaf, George, Russell, Locker, etc have talent, but they all suck.
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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    HFNY said:

    All of those guys were very good college players but lacked the intangibles to succeed at the next level (things like leadership, work ethic, absolute will to win etc etc etc).

    QBs like Russell Wilson and Joe Montana don't / didn't have ideal height and weight but they have those innate intangibles that has them not only making plays but also winning the Super Bowl.

    Same for Drew Brees.

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    HFNY said:

    So you're a strong believer in QBs like Jay Cutler, Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, JaMarcus Russell, etc etc?

    Good to know.

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    whlinder said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    whlinder said:

    Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
    Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.

    I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite HonestlyI think the difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.
    Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.
    I'm not a strong believer in the QB intangibles thing. I will concede that Tui was better at making big plays when the team needed them though.
    No. Those guys fucking sucked.

    I believe in quarterbacks that actually make good plays, not "talented" gun slingers who suck.
    They also were missing actual quarterback skills like accuracy and decision making.

    Hope this helps.
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  • HFNY
    HFNY Member Posts: 5,521
    Yep and I agree with you that intangibles are no substitute for talent.

    At the same time, someone like Jeff George was clearly very talented but never won in part because he didn't many intangibles (wasn't a leader, was a jerk, openly fought with coaches, etc etc etc). He was still talented enough to play in the NFL for 14 years, throwing for 27,602 yards and 154 career TDs.

    Ryan Leaf kinda reminded me of George, except he had serious behavioral issues that ultimately manifested via his pill addiction and criminal behavior.
    RoadDawg55 said:

    HFNY said:

    All of those guys were very good college players but lacked the intangibles to succeed at the next level (things like leadership, work ethic, absolute will to win etc etc etc).

    QBs like Russell Wilson and Joe Montana don't / didn't have ideal height and weight but they have those innate intangibles that has them not only making plays but also winning the Super Bowl.

    Same for Drew Brees.

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    HFNY said:

    So you're a strong believer in QBs like Jay Cutler, Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, JaMarcus Russell, etc etc?

    Good to know.

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    whlinder said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    whlinder said:

    Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
    Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.

    I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite HonestlyI think the difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.
    Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.
    I'm not a strong believer in the QB intangibles thing. I will concede that Tui was better at making big plays when the team needed them though.
    No. Those guys fucking sucked.

    I believe in quarterbacks that actually make good plays, not "talented" gun slingers who suck.
    I disagree with Boobie about QB intangibles, but Montana and Russell Wilson produce and win. Same with Drew Bree's for the most part. Leaf, George, Russell, Locker, etc have talent, but they all suck.
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  • Gladstone
    Gladstone Member Posts: 16,425
    For real make this a front page article
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