How Much Talent did Sark waste in 2013?

SteveInShelton · August 2015

RoadDawg55 said:

SteveInShelton said:
I remember when Doogs were excited to see Price leave and the Miley era begin. Now we are going on 2 years strong without having at least a FCS level quarterback. Doogs deserve everything that is happening to them.
Guilty as charged. Price was fucking horrible in the Apple Cup and Fight Hunger Bowl despite his high completion percentage. Little did I know.

Yeah that is true. I thought the Price hate was way overblown but he definitely did regress. The offensive line and shitty best playcalling in America had a lot to do with it though. He was pretty solid and had some bad games here and there, and was a multi-year starter. I couldn't believe people thought it was a given that the next guy was going to be way better than him.

Gladstone · August 2015

Of course he regressed. He got absolutely destroyed in 2012. Sacked 50+ times. Probably still has nightmares of LSU DL chasing and hitting him. Those scars don't heal and he pretty much always had happy feet after that.

SteveInShelton · August 2015

Gladstone said:
Of course he regressed. He got absolutely destroyed in 2012. Sacked 50+ times. Probably still has nightmares of LSU DL chasing and hitting him. Those scars don't heal and he pretty much always had happy feet after that.

I'll always remember how after the LSU game, their players were amazed at how surprisingly easy it was and how soft our players were.

RoadDawg55 · August 2015

Gladstone said:
Of course he regressed. He got absolutely destroyed in 2012. Sacked 50+ times. Probably still has nightmares of LSU DL chasing and hitting him. Those scars don't heal and he pretty much always had happy feet after that.

Yep. During and after 2012 he felt pressure even when it wasn't there because he was getting hit every other play. I remember one play against ASU his senior year where a WR burned his man and was open by five to ten yards deep. He wasn't kind of open, it was an easy TD. The OL surprisingly picked up the blitz perfectly. All Price had to do was step up in the pocket. He probably could have even planted and thrown. Instead he slides right and into the only place where any pressure was fucks up the play. Fucking infuriating. The shitty OL made him a mess and completely changed him.

Against Cal in 2011, he was moving around, avoiding pressue, and dropping dimes. Same for the Holiday Bowl.

topdawgnc · August 2015

Sark is like the hot chic that doesn't fuck.

Looks good to those who don't know she ain't ever going to produce.

CuntWaffle · August 2015

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

Gladstone said:

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

whlinder said:

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

whlinder said:

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

whlinder said:
Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.
I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite Honestly~~I think~~ the difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.
Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.
I'm not a strong believer in the QB intangibles thing. I will concede that Tui was better at making big plays when the team needed them though.
Perhaps I can interest you in some summer reading?

(yes, DJ is my source)

Whatever you want to call it, QB intangibles, culture, missing WASHINGTON dammit, it's the same thing Race has talked about that once the losing stench gets in a program it is really hard to get out. Price had it on him and it may not be his fault, but Tui definitely didn't have it. Tui reflected the Husky culture at the time and made it better. Price reflected the Husky culture at the time and failed to make it better. Of course coaching but the QB can wield a lot of power.

tl;dr: Tui refused to lose, Price tried to win.
That culture comes from the head coach on down.

Hope this helps.
Please boobs, do elaborate on Skippy's HC brilliance and downplay Tui's QB brilliance. I really think you're on to something here.
Tui was a great playmaker and the Huskies don't win the Rose Bowl and pop off without him.

However, the quarterback is responsible for one part of the game while the head coach is responsible for all three.

You don't see Nick Saban winning titles with great quarterbacks.

Shall I continue?

Gladstones twat is all twisted up today because some OL recruit in 2017 visited Stanford and tweeted he had a good time about it.

TierbsHsotBoobs · August 2015

whlinder said:
Pickett had more talent that Tui and the same coach; what happened with him?

QBs impact the culture like no other position.

You know who else had "talent"?

TierbsHsotBoobs · August 2015

Gladstone said:
Of course he regressed. He got absolutely destroyed in 2012. Sacked 50+ times. Probably still has nightmares of LSU DL chasing and hitting him. Those scars don't heal and he pretty much always had trust issues after that.

RaceBannon · August 2015

Only one Husky QB OUTPLAYED RGIII

Doogles · August 2015

@RoadDawg55 you say holiday bowl one more time...

Como se dice Alamo?

AZDuck · August 2015

whlinder said:

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

whlinder said:
Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.
I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite Honestly~~I think~~ the difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.
Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.

I don't think it's fair to expect a QB to put a team on his back the way Tui did. KP was a great college QB.

Fenwick · August 2015

Sarkisian has no idea how to make a cohesive team. He coaches teams comprised of individuals doing their thing. He has no idea how to weave the fabric into a solid and strong unit. What will be the next fool team to hire him?

TTJ · August 2015

HeretoBeatmyChest said:

Gladstone said:
...And it better fucking mention how Sark won 8 (not 9) with that team.
7 if you dont count Idaho St...

5 if you don't count the 2 that Ross won singlehandedly.

Doogles · August 2015

Sark isn't terrible, he just needs the winds to blow his way perfectly to be successful.

I hate to sound like Puppy, but he has amassed serious talent in Compton. His teams will never respond well to adversity, but he might have enough fire power to steam roll the south.

Take your screenshots.

topdawgnc · August 2015

Doogles said:
Sark isn't terrible, he just needs the winds to blow his way perfectly to be successful.

I hate to sound like Puppy, but he has amassed serious talent in Compton. His teams will never respond well to adversity, but he might have enough fire power to steam roll the south.

Take your screenshots.

I don't think he will "steam roll" the south, but he will be a contender with 9-10 wins a year.

He has too much talent not to.

But he doesn't have enough coaching talent or disclipne to beat the good coaches with similar talent, or the excellent coaches.

TierbsHsotBoobs · August 2015

topdawgnc said:

Doogles said:
Sark isn't terrible, he just needs the winds to blow his way perfectly to be successful.

I hate to sound like Puppy, but he has amassed serious talent in Compton. His teams will never respond well to adversity, but he might have enough fire power to steam roll the south.

Take your screenshots.
I don't think he will "steam roll" the south, but he will be a contender with 9-10 wins a year.

He has too much talent not to.

But he doesn't have enough coaching talent or disclipne to beat the good coaches with similar talent, or the excellent coaches.

What excellent coaches?

Doogles · August 2015

topdawgnc said:

Doogles said:
Sark isn't terrible, he just needs the winds to blow his way perfectly to be successful.

I hate to sound like Puppy, but he has amassed serious talent in Compton. His teams will never respond well to adversity, but he might have enough fire power to steam roll the south.

Take your screenshots.
I don't think he will "steam roll" the south, but he will be a contender with 9-10 wins a year.

He has too much talent not to.

But he doesn't have enough coaching talent or disclipne to beat the good coaches with similar talent, or the excellent coaches.

I don't disagree, he needs things to go perfectly because he doesn't have the skill to keep the team together in hard times.

But to discount the talented individuals he has is doogish. LIPO.

Edit: Fenwick nailed it with his comment about individuals vs a cohesive team. Sark appeals to the dreamer athletes. Most of them have talent and professional aspirations, but when things don't go as scripted there is no foundation to help them persevere.

RoadDawg55 · August 2015

AZDuck said:

whlinder said:

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

whlinder said:
Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.
I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite Honestly~~I think~~ the difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.
Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.
I don't think it's fair to expect a QB to put a team on his back the way Tui did. KP was a great college QB.

A guy that is an honorable mention All Conference QB isn't a great college QB. Good and/or mediocre are acceptable answers.

JaWarrenJaHooker · August 2015

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

topdawgnc said:

Doogles said:
Sark isn't terrible, he just needs the winds to blow his way perfectly to be successful.

I hate to sound like Puppy, but he has amassed serious talent in Compton. His teams will never respond well to adversity, but he might have enough fire power to steam roll the south.

Take your screenshots.
I don't think he will "steam roll" the south, but he will be a contender with 9-10 wins a year.

He has too much talent not to.

But he doesn't have enough coaching talent or disclipne to beat the good coaches with similar talent, or the excellent coaches.
What excellent coaches?

Paging @SonnyDykes

whlinder · August 2015

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

whlinder said:
Pickett had more talent that Tui and the same coach; what happened with him?

QBs impact the culture like no other position.
You know who else had "talent"?

I know you're being sarkastic but we're talking about QB, not safety.

HFNY · August 2015

So you're a strong believer in QBs like Jay Cutler, Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, JaMarcus Russell, etc etc?

Good to know.

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

whlinder said:

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

whlinder said:
Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.
I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite Honestly~~I think~~ the difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.
Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.
I'm not a strong believer in the QB intangibles thing. I will concede that Tui was better at making big plays when the team needed them though.

Fire_Marshall_Bill · August 2015

Doogles said:
Sark isn't terrible, he just needs the winds to blow his way perfectly to be successful.

I hate to sound like Puppy, but he has amassed serious talent in Compton. His teams will never respond well to adversity, but he might have enough fire power to steam roll the south.

Take your screenshots.

Agreed.

He's competent enough to be a power five coach, but he's never going to be an elite or really good coach. He's one of those people who can talk his way through life for a while, even for a few years. Eventually most figure out he's a soft fraud though.

CFetters_Nacho_Lover · August 2015

RoadDawg55 said:
Good thread. That team was loaded with playmakers. It did have some weak spots too. And Price, despite the hype was an average QB in the PAC 12.

Timu making the Bears would be interesting because everyone always said he sucked.

Timu making da' Bears roster is more an indication of how bad da' Bears defense is.

TierbsHsotBoobs · August 2015

HFNY said:
So you're a strong believer in QBs like Jay Cutler, Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, JaMarcus Russell, etc etc?

Good to know.

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

whlinder said:

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

whlinder said:
Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.
I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite Honestly~~I think~~ the difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.
Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.
I'm not a strong believer in the QB intangibles thing. I will concede that Tui was better at making big plays when the team needed them though.

No. Those guys fucking sucked.

I believe in quarterbacks that actually make good plays, not "talented" gun slingers who suck.

HeretoBeatmyChest · August 2015

Josh Shirley had a sack yesterday for the Raiders. No idea what his status is but thats another guy from the 2013 squad.

HFNY · August 2015

All of those guys were very good college players but lacked the intangibles to succeed at the next level (things like leadership, work ethic, absolute will to win etc etc etc).

QBs like Russell Wilson and Joe Montana don't / didn't have ideal height and weight but they have those innate intangibles that has them not only making plays but also winning the Super Bowl.

Same for Drew Brees.

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

HFNY said:
So you're a strong believer in QBs like Jay Cutler, Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, JaMarcus Russell, etc etc?

Good to know.

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

whlinder said:

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

whlinder said:
Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.
I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite Honestly~~I think~~ the difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.
Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.
I'm not a strong believer in the QB intangibles thing. I will concede that Tui was better at making big plays when the team needed them though.

No. Those guys fucking sucked.

I believe in quarterbacks that actually make good plays, not "talented" gun slingers who suck.

RoadDawg55 · August 2015

HFNY said:
All of those guys were very good college players but lacked the intangibles to succeed at the next level (things like leadership, work ethic, absolute will to win etc etc etc).

QBs like Russell Wilson and Joe Montana don't / didn't have ideal height and weight but they have those innate intangibles that has them not only making plays but also winning the Super Bowl.

Same for Drew Brees.

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

HFNY said:
So you're a strong believer in QBs like Jay Cutler, Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, JaMarcus Russell, etc etc?

Good to know.

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

whlinder said:

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

whlinder said:
Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.
I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite Honestly~~I think~~ the difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.
Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.
I'm not a strong believer in the QB intangibles thing. I will concede that Tui was better at making big plays when the team needed them though.

No. Those guys fucking sucked.

I believe in quarterbacks that actually make good plays, not "talented" gun slingers who suck.

I disagree with Boobie about QB intangibles, but Montana and Russell Wilson produce and win. Same with Drew Bree's for the most part. Leaf, George, Russell, Locker, etc have talent, but they all suck.

TierbsHsotBoobs · August 2015

HFNY said:
All of those guys were very good college players but lacked the intangibles to succeed at the next level (things like leadership, work ethic, absolute will to win etc etc etc).

QBs like Russell Wilson and Joe Montana don't / didn't have ideal height and weight but they have those innate intangibles that has them not only making plays but also winning the Super Bowl.

Same for Drew Brees.

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

HFNY said:
So you're a strong believer in QBs like Jay Cutler, Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, JaMarcus Russell, etc etc?

Good to know.

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

whlinder said:

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

whlinder said:
Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.
I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite Honestly~~I think~~ the difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.
Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.
I'm not a strong believer in the QB intangibles thing. I will concede that Tui was better at making big plays when the team needed them though.

No. Those guys fucking sucked.

I believe in quarterbacks that actually make good plays, not "talented" gun slingers who suck.

They also were missing actual quarterback skills like accuracy and decision making.

Hope this helps.

HFNY · August 2015

Yep and I agree with you that intangibles are no substitute for talent.

At the same time, someone like Jeff George was clearly very talented but never won in part because he didn't many intangibles (wasn't a leader, was a jerk, openly fought with coaches, etc etc etc). He was still talented enough to play in the NFL for 14 years, throwing for 27,602 yards and 154 career TDs.

Ryan Leaf kinda reminded me of George, except he had serious behavioral issues that ultimately manifested via his pill addiction and criminal behavior.

RoadDawg55 said:

HFNY said:
All of those guys were very good college players but lacked the intangibles to succeed at the next level (things like leadership, work ethic, absolute will to win etc etc etc).

QBs like Russell Wilson and Joe Montana don't / didn't have ideal height and weight but they have those innate intangibles that has them not only making plays but also winning the Super Bowl.

Same for Drew Brees.

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

HFNY said:
So you're a strong believer in QBs like Jay Cutler, Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, JaMarcus Russell, etc etc?

Good to know.

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

whlinder said:

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

whlinder said:
Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.
I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite Honestly~~I think~~ the difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.
Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.
I'm not a strong believer in the QB intangibles thing. I will concede that Tui was better at making big plays when the team needed them though.

No. Those guys fucking sucked.

I believe in quarterbacks that actually make good plays, not "talented" gun slingers who suck.

I disagree with Boobie about QB intangibles, but Montana and Russell Wilson produce and win. Same with Drew Bree's for the most part. Leaf, George, Russell, Locker, etc have talent, but they all suck.

Gladstone · August 2015

For real make this a front page article

How Much Talent did Sark waste in 2013?

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