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How Much Talent did Sark waste in 2013?

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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    whlinder said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    whlinder said:

    Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
    Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.

    I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite HonestlyI think the difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.
    Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.
    I'm not a strong believer in the QB intangibles thing. I will concede that Tui was better at making big plays when the team needed them though.
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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    whlinder said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    whlinder said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    whlinder said:

    Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
    Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.

    I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite HonestlyI think the difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.
    Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.
    I'm not a strong believer in the QB intangibles thing. I will concede that Tui was better at making big plays when the team needed them though.
    Perhaps I can interest you in some summer reading?

    (yes, DJ is my source)

    Whatever you want to call it, QB intangibles, culture, missing WASHINGTON dammit, it's the same thing Race has talked about that once the losing stench gets in a program it is really hard to get out. Price had it on him and it may not be his fault, but Tui definitely didn't have it. Tui reflected the Husky culture at the time and made it better. Price reflected the Husky culture at the time and failed to make it better. Of course coaching but the QB can wield a lot of power.

    tl;dr: Tui refused to lose, Price tried to win.
    That culture comes from the head coach on down.

    Hope this helps.
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  • whlinder
    whlinder Member Posts: 5,388
    Pickett had more talent that Tui and the same coach; what happened with him?

    QBs impact the culture like no other position.
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  • Gladstone
    Gladstone Member Posts: 16,425
    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    whlinder said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    whlinder said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    whlinder said:

    Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
    Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.

    I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite HonestlyI think the difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.
    Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.
    I'm not a strong believer in the QB intangibles thing. I will concede that Tui was better at making big plays when the team needed them though.
    Perhaps I can interest you in some summer reading?

    (yes, DJ is my source)

    Whatever you want to call it, QB intangibles, culture, missing WASHINGTON dammit, it's the same thing Race has talked about that once the losing stench gets in a program it is really hard to get out. Price had it on him and it may not be his fault, but Tui definitely didn't have it. Tui reflected the Husky culture at the time and made it better. Price reflected the Husky culture at the time and failed to make it better. Of course coaching but the QB can wield a lot of power.

    tl;dr: Tui refused to lose, Price tried to win.
    That culture comes from the head coach on down.

    Hope this helps.
    Please boobs, do elaborate on Skippy's HC brilliance and downplay Tui's QB brilliance. I really think you're on to something here.
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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    Gladstone said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    whlinder said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    whlinder said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    whlinder said:

    Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
    Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.

    I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite HonestlyI think the difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.
    Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.
    I'm not a strong believer in the QB intangibles thing. I will concede that Tui was better at making big plays when the team needed them though.
    Perhaps I can interest you in some summer reading?

    (yes, DJ is my source)

    Whatever you want to call it, QB intangibles, culture, missing WASHINGTON dammit, it's the same thing Race has talked about that once the losing stench gets in a program it is really hard to get out. Price had it on him and it may not be his fault, but Tui definitely didn't have it. Tui reflected the Husky culture at the time and made it better. Price reflected the Husky culture at the time and failed to make it better. Of course coaching but the QB can wield a lot of power.

    tl;dr: Tui refused to lose, Price tried to win.
    That culture comes from the head coach on down.

    Hope this helps.
    Please boobs, do elaborate on Skippy's HC brilliance and downplay Tui's QB brilliance. I really think you're on to something here.
    Tui was a great playmaker and the Huskies don't win the Rose Bowl and pop off without him.

    However, the quarterback is responsible for one part of the game while the head coach is responsible for all three.

    You don't see Nick Saban winning titles with great quarterbacks.

    Shall I continue?
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  • Doogles
    Doogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,800 Founders Club
    The Stanford game was everything for that team. That overturned call killed the last bit of doog in me.

    Washington wins that game, who knows how the rest of the season goes.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,423 Standard Supporter
    Keith Price was very good early in his sophomore year and obviously in the Holiday Bowl. He got beat to shit because of a bad OL and was never the same. He was pretty bad in 2012 and very average his senior year. 2nd in passer rating, but 7th in QBR. He also had an embarrassment of riches at the skill positions. He had one good game his entire career against a good defense, and that was Stanford his senior year.

    Price's performance basically summed up Sark's tenure. Some flashes early, sometimes very good against bad teams, and almost always shit against the good ones. He didn't even make a training camp in the NFL and is a 3rd string QB in the CFL. Stats are for losers. He was mediocre. On a great team he's good enough to win. That's about it.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,423 Standard Supporter
    edited August 2015
    SteveInShelton said:

    I remember when Doogs were excited to see Price leave and the Miley era begin. Now we are going on 2 years strong without having at least a FCS level quarterback. Doogs deserve everything that is happening to them.

    Guilty as charged. Price was fucking horrible in the Apple Cup and Fight Hunger Bowl despite his high completion percentage. Little did I know.
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