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How Much Talent did Sark waste in 2013?
HeretoBeatmyChest
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QB- Price, CFL, 2nd best passer rating in Pac-12 in 2013
RB- Sankey, All American, 2nd round pick
TE- ASJ, All American, 2nd round pick
WR-Kasen, pre-injury would have been 2nd or 3rd round pick
WR- Kevin Smith- battling to make it in the NFL, has better chance this year
OL- Ben Riva- bad injuries in 2014. Had he stayed healthy may have made a run at it.
WR- String- will be an NFL player if he keeps his shit together
WR- Ross-likely NFL player
DE- Kikaha, All-American next year, 2nd round pick, could be an NFL starter
DT- Shelton, All-American next year, 1st round pick
LB- Shaq, All-American, 2nd round pick
LB- Timu-now has a good chance to make the Bears
CB-Peters-All-American next year, 1st round pick, probably starts
CB- Ducre- started a game last year, dont know current status
S-Parker- camped but didnt make it last year
LB- Feeney- maybe an NFL guy if he has a breakout year
K- Coons, has a good shot to make the Browns this year
If Timu and Coons make it this season and Kasen also, thats 10 guys from 2013. Six of them picked in the first two rounds. By the time all the young guys are gone, you could wind up with nearly 15 of them playing in the NFL at somepoint.
How the fuck did this team only win 9 games? Easily the most talented team since 1997.
RB- Sankey, All American, 2nd round pick
TE- ASJ, All American, 2nd round pick
WR-Kasen, pre-injury would have been 2nd or 3rd round pick
WR- Kevin Smith- battling to make it in the NFL, has better chance this year
OL- Ben Riva- bad injuries in 2014. Had he stayed healthy may have made a run at it.
WR- String- will be an NFL player if he keeps his shit together
WR- Ross-likely NFL player
DE- Kikaha, All-American next year, 2nd round pick, could be an NFL starter
DT- Shelton, All-American next year, 1st round pick
LB- Shaq, All-American, 2nd round pick
LB- Timu-now has a good chance to make the Bears
CB-Peters-All-American next year, 1st round pick, probably starts
CB- Ducre- started a game last year, dont know current status
S-Parker- camped but didnt make it last year
LB- Feeney- maybe an NFL guy if he has a breakout year
K- Coons, has a good shot to make the Browns this year
If Timu and Coons make it this season and Kasen also, thats 10 guys from 2013. Six of them picked in the first two rounds. By the time all the young guys are gone, you could wind up with nearly 15 of them playing in the NFL at somepoint.
How the fuck did this team only win 9 games? Easily the most talented team since 1997.
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Do you really need to ask?HeretoBeatmyChest said:
How the fuck did this team only win 9 games? -
Offensive line and Siete.
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What's worse is that they won 9 games on an easy out of conference schedule and only went 5-4 in the Pac-12.
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It's like I told KJV, they were SO YOUNG.
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Yeah but how can sark fail with the talent he has at SC?
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If Sark gets fired soon theres a chance that UW 2013 squad will be the best one he ever coached.brchco12 said:Yeah but how can sark fail with the talent he has at SC?
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This needs to be an HH article. Said article needs to be spread across the internets. Great thread. And it better fucking mention how Sark won 8 (not 9) with that team.
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7 if you dont count Idaho St.Gladstone said:This needs to be an HH article. Said article needs to be spread across the internets. Great thread. And it better fucking mention how Sark won 8 (not 9) with that team.
The other thing is the OL was completely healthy and experienced that season. It wasn't a dreckfest like the year before. -
Shaq and ASJ were first round picks
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Sometimes the enemy gives the most honest and concise answer: UW quit after the Oregon game that year.HeretoBeatmyChest said:
7 if you dont count Idaho St.Gladstone said:This needs to be an HH article. Said article needs to be spread across the internets. Great thread. And it better fucking mention how Sark won 8 (not 9) with that team.
The other thing is the OL was completely healthy and experienced that season. It wasn't a dreckfest like the year before. -
You mean like the 2008 Oregon game?haie said:
Sometimes the enemy gives the most honest and concise answer: UW quit after the Oregon game that year.HeretoBeatmyChest said:
7 if you dont count Idaho St.Gladstone said:This needs to be an HH article. Said article needs to be spread across the internets. Great thread. And it better fucking mention how Sark won 8 (not 9) with that team.
The other thing is the OL was completely healthy and experienced that season. It wasn't a dreckfest like the year before. -
Good thread. That team was loaded with playmakers. It did have some weak spots too. And Price, despite the hype was an average QB in the PAC 12.
Timu making the Bears would be interesting because everyone always said he sucked. -
ASJ was a 2nd round pickWilburHooksHands said:Shaq and ASJ were first round picks
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He washed out of run plays too easily. That was incredibly frustrating to watch for the, what, 4+ years he started? He has pretty good instincts at defending the pass, but it was hard to forgive that when he dropped picks almost every time. As a matter of fact, with him and Shaq I hated UW's defense when backs managed to get 2nd level.RoadDawg55 said:Good thread. That team was loaded with playmakers. It did have some weak spots too. And Price, despite the hype was an average QB in the PAC 12.
Timu making the Bears would be interesting because everyone always said he sucked. -
That was really a pretty stacked team.
OL was mediocre at best talent wise and it was poorly developed. Other than that rosebowl level talent and experience. -
So Sark is a great recruiter.
That team folded against any one with a pulse just like the Huskies do. It's who we are
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Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then. -
I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. I think the difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.whlinder said:Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then. -
"Quite honestly, we were better than our record indicated."
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Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite Honestlywhlinder said:Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.I thinkthe difference was coaching, coaching, coaching. -
I'm not a strong believer in the QB intangibles thing. I will concede that Tui was better at making big plays when the team needed them though.whlinder said:
Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite Honestlywhlinder said:Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.I thinkthe difference was coaching, coaching, coaching. -
Perhaps I can interest you in some summer reading?TierbsHsotBoobs said:
I'm not a strong believer in the QB intangibles thing. I will concede that Tui was better at making big plays when the team needed them though.whlinder said:
Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite Honestlywhlinder said:Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.I thinkthe difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.
(yes, DJ is my source)
Whatever you want to call it, QB intangibles, culture, missing WASHINGTON dammit, it's the same thing Race has talked about that once the losing stench gets in a program it is really hard to get out. Price had it on him and it may not be his fault, but Tui definitely didn't have it. Tui reflected the Husky culture at the time and made it better. Price reflected the Husky culture at the time and failed to make it better. Of course coaching but the QB can wield a lot of power.
tl;dr: Tui refused to lose, Price tried to win. -
That culture comes from the head coach on down.whlinder said:
Perhaps I can interest you in some summer reading?TierbsHsotBoobs said:
I'm not a strong believer in the QB intangibles thing. I will concede that Tui was better at making big plays when the team needed them though.whlinder said:
Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite Honestlywhlinder said:Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.I thinkthe difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.
(yes, DJ is my source)
Whatever you want to call it, QB intangibles, culture, missing WASHINGTON dammit, it's the same thing Race has talked about that once the losing stench gets in a program it is really hard to get out. Price had it on him and it may not be his fault, but Tui definitely didn't have it. Tui reflected the Husky culture at the time and made it better. Price reflected the Husky culture at the time and failed to make it better. Of course coaching but the QB can wield a lot of power.
tl;dr: Tui refused to lose, Price tried to win.
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Pickett had more talent that Tui and the same coach; what happened with him?
QBs impact the culture like no other position. -
Please boobs, do elaborate on Skippy's HC brilliance and downplay Tui's QB brilliance. I really think you're on to something here.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
That culture comes from the head coach on down.whlinder said:
Perhaps I can interest you in some summer reading?TierbsHsotBoobs said:
I'm not a strong believer in the QB intangibles thing. I will concede that Tui was better at making big plays when the team needed them though.whlinder said:
Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite Honestlywhlinder said:Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.I thinkthe difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.
(yes, DJ is my source)
Whatever you want to call it, QB intangibles, culture, missing WASHINGTON dammit, it's the same thing Race has talked about that once the losing stench gets in a program it is really hard to get out. Price had it on him and it may not be his fault, but Tui definitely didn't have it. Tui reflected the Husky culture at the time and made it better. Price reflected the Husky culture at the time and failed to make it better. Of course coaching but the QB can wield a lot of power.
tl;dr: Tui refused to lose, Price tried to win.
Hope this helps. -
Tui was a great playmaker and the Huskies don't win the Rose Bowl and pop off without him.Gladstone said:
Please boobs, do elaborate on Skippy's HC brilliance and downplay Tui's QB brilliance. I really think you're on to something here.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
That culture comes from the head coach on down.whlinder said:
Perhaps I can interest you in some summer reading?TierbsHsotBoobs said:
I'm not a strong believer in the QB intangibles thing. I will concede that Tui was better at making big plays when the team needed them though.whlinder said:
Tui had innate leadership which Price did not and I don't think Tui's leadership was because of coaching. He had that independently and the coaching enhanced it. Price was a better passer but Tui raised the level of play for everyone around him.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
I'm not sure the QB was that much better. Tui was certainly a better runner. Quite Honestlywhlinder said:Would love to see a comparison to the 2000 team.
Big difference is the QB and OL was better back then.I thinkthe difference was coaching, coaching, coaching.
(yes, DJ is my source)
Whatever you want to call it, QB intangibles, culture, missing WASHINGTON dammit, it's the same thing Race has talked about that once the losing stench gets in a program it is really hard to get out. Price had it on him and it may not be his fault, but Tui definitely didn't have it. Tui reflected the Husky culture at the time and made it better. Price reflected the Husky culture at the time and failed to make it better. Of course coaching but the QB can wield a lot of power.
tl;dr: Tui refused to lose, Price tried to win.
Hope this helps.
However, the quarterback is responsible for one part of the game while the head coach is responsible for all three.
You don't see Nick Saban winning titles with great quarterbacks.
Shall I continue? -
The Stanford game was everything for that team. That overturned call killed the last bit of doog in me.
Washington wins that game, who knows how the rest of the season goes. -
Keith Price was very good early in his sophomore year and obviously in the Holiday Bowl. He got beat to shit because of a bad OL and was never the same. He was pretty bad in 2012 and very average his senior year. 2nd in passer rating, but 7th in QBR. He also had an embarrassment of riches at the skill positions. He had one good game his entire career against a good defense, and that was Stanford his senior year.
Price's performance basically summed up Sark's tenure. Some flashes early, sometimes very good against bad teams, and almost always shit against the good ones. He didn't even make a training camp in the NFL and is a 3rd string QB in the CFL. Stats are for losers. He was mediocre. On a great team he's good enough to win. That's about it. -
I remember when Doogs were excited to see Price leave and the Miley era begin. Now we are going on 2 years strong without having at least a FCS level quarterback. Doogs deserve everything that is happening to them.
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Guilty as charged. Price was fucking horrible in the Apple Cup and Fight Hunger Bowl despite his high completion percentage. Little did I know.SteveInShelton said:I remember when Doogs were excited to see Price leave and the Miley era begin. Now we are going on 2 years strong without having at least a FCS level quarterback. Doogs deserve everything that is happening to them.
