9 Black People Gunned Down at Bible Study, Obvious Hate Crime
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Using a one off shooting in South Carolina does not tell me that South Carolina's gun laws are ineffective.AZDuck said:I think that a change in regulation has to be enforceable. Indiana and Wisconsin are in Chicago's suburbs - it is too easy. The District of Columbia has among the nation's strictest gun laws. Virginia has among the nation's most lenient. Do you think that people in DC who want guns might take advantage of that?
I'm also a reality-based waterfowl. Obviously many regulatory regimes don't work. Hawaii's gun registry seems to have been more effective than any other regime used in this country.
Using a one-off like a mass shooting doesn't tell me that Hawaii's gun laws are ineffective. The overall firearm death rate in Hawaii which is the lowest in the US tells me that Hawaii's system works better than anything on the mainland. But yeah, change would need to be federal, since one mainland state doing things differently wouldn't matter if the state next door didn't follow along.
You act like there is no correlation between regulation and firearm deaths but the vast difference between the US and every other industrialized nation with better firearm regulation says otherwise.
I also think that Alaska is a special case and should probably have its own regime where guns are concerned - people NEED guns in Alaska in a way that they don't in the other 49
How are the two different?
There are more handgun murders in California than South Carolina and North Carolina ... combined. Yet Cali has more stringent regulations. -
Just ban guns. If you ban guns no bad guys will have acces to them since they are illegal! It's so simple.
Plus only the government will have them and they have our best interests in mind. I trust them with guns more than anybody! -
I must have missed where someone said we should ban all guns. And I'm sure your artillery would really come in handy if the US government came after you.CuntWaffle said:Just ban guns. If you ban guns no bad guys will have acces to them since they are illegal! It's so simple.
Plus only the government will have them and they have our best interests in mind. I trust them with guns more than anybody! -
Why am I not surprised you still don't get it?RoadDawg55 said:
I must have missed where someone said we should ban all guns. And I'm sure your artillery would really come in handy if the US government came after you.CuntWaffle said:Just ban guns. If you ban guns no bad guys will have acces to them since they are illegal! It's so simple.
Plus only the government will have them and they have our best interests in mind. I trust them with guns more than anybody! -
Everyone has staked out their positions. It's clear nobody is changing their minds. Can we just get back to drinking now? Fuck.
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If your argument is "don't trust your lying eyes, England's murder rate is comparable to America's," expect to be met with scorn.topdawgnc said:
You really should dig deeper into your CNN analysis about the US vs. World in gun homicide rates.AZDuck said:I think that a change in regulation has to be enforceable. Indiana and Wisconsin are in Chicago's suburbs - it is too easy. The District of Columbia has among the nation's strictest gun laws. Virginia has among the nation's most lenient. Do you think that people in DC who want guns might take advantage of that?
I'm also a reality-based waterfowl. Obviously many regulatory regimes don't work. Hawaii's gun registry seems to have been more effective than any other regime used in this country.
Using a one-off like a mass shooting doesn't tell me that Hawaii's gun laws are ineffective. The overall firearm death rate in Hawaii which is the lowest in the US tells me that they are.
You act like there is no correlation between regulation and firearm deaths but the vast difference between the US and every other industrialized nation with better firearm regulation says otherwise.
Homicides in England and Wales are not counted the same as in other countries. Their homicide numbers “exclude any cases which do not result in conviction, or where the person is not prosecuted on grounds of self defence or otherwise” (Report to Parliament). The problem isn’t just that it reduces the recorded homicide rate in England and Wales, but what would a similar reduction mean for the US.
If taken literally, and there is significant evidence that in practice the actual adjustment is no where near this large, a simple comparison can be made. In 2012, the US murder rate was 4.7 per 100,000, a total of 14,827. Arrests amounted to only 7,133. Using only people who were arrested (not just convicted) would lower the US murder rate to 2.26 per 100,000. More information on the adjustment for England and Wales is available here and it suggests that while many homicides are excluded it isn’t as large as it would appear (in 1997, the downward adjustment would be about 12 percent).
crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/2014/03/comparing-murder-rates-across-countries/So I'm over there in England, you know, trying to get news about the [L.A.] riots... and all these Brit people are trying to sympathize with me... 'Oh Bill, crime is horrible. Bill, if it's any consolation crime is horrible here, too.' ...Shut up. This is Hobbitown and I am Bilbo Hicks, Okay? This is a land of fairies and elves. You do not have crime like we have crime, but I appreciate you trying to be, you know, Diplomatic. You gotta see English crime. It's hilarious, you don't know if you're reading the front page or the comic section over there. I swear to God. I read an article - front page of the paper - one day, in England: 'Yesterday, some Hooligans knocked over a dustbin in Shaftesbury.' Wooooo... 'The hooligans are loose! The hooligans are loose! What if they become roughians? I would hate to be a dustbin in Shaftesbury tonight.”
- Bill Hicks
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Guns are made to kill. Period.
Cars are made for transportation. Knives are made for slicing and dicing.
Killers can use many types of tangible objects to carry out their killings such as an Xbox console or a knife or a car or even their fist or (insert trillions of other objects).
So should we regulate people's fists or the sale of knives or all of the other objects that people can use? Not in this country. So stop using this argument.
People kill people. Guns are used to kill. Guns are made to kill. Therefore they must be regulated. -
How abouy drinking AND Samantha Fox?Swaye said:Everyone has staked out their positions. It's clear nobody is changing their minds. Can we just get back to drinking now? Fuck.
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Who stopped?Swaye said:Everyone has staked out their positions. It's clear nobody is changing their minds. Can we just get back to drinking now? Fuck.
