9 Black People Gunned Down at Bible Study, Obvious Hate Crime

topdawgnc said:

RoadDawg55 said:

Guns aren't hard to get. Pretty much anyone without a criminal background can go buy one. A buddy of mine at the time got a Mosberg shotgun right after he turned 18. There are plenty of psycho's that don't have criminal records barring them from getting guns in their late teens and early 20's. Criminals can buy them at private trade shows in 40 states with no required background checks. You gun nuts must enjoy having your head in the sand.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2015/06/18/the-legal-loophole-that-allowed-dylann-roof-to-get-a-gun/

I enjoy shooting guns. When I was in college, we would go up in the mountains and set up empty liquor bottles to shoot. AR-15's, AK47's, 1911's. Shooting shit is fun. But the gun laws in this country are not working.

What's not working?

Crimes involving firearms make up 8% of all violent incidents (Bureau of Justice).

We have a scenario where a fucking crazy shoots up 9 innocent people, can you say the knife laws of China aren't working because some crazy sliced up a crowd?

Here's another stat:

11,000 people were murdered by a gun last year. If we cut the American population to represent just the adult population (approximately 15,000,000)... you have a .0008% chance of the gun laws failing you.

Wanting to rewrite the gun laws over the media hyperbole ... is like wanting to rewrite the health care laws because 10% of American's are not covered.

The facts don't back up anyone's anti-gun argument.

This entire thread is about emotion.

It's right where Obama want's us to be ... arguing irrationally on emotion.

Okay... so only 11,000 people were murdered by a gun last year... thus you argue it isn't worth doing anything about.

Well... only 2,996 people died from the terrorist act on 9/11. Should we also have done nothing about that?

The vehicle argument is kind of ridiculous. Accidents happen...accidents. There are tens of millions of cars and trucks on the road. It's impossible to avoid. As far as the gun problem? we're talking about violent criminals, psychos, and the mentally ill as the biggest problems. Figure out reasonable solutions. I'm not for a wholesale ban on all guns, but like el pato Arizona said, we're by far the worst in gun violence in the industrialized world.

CuntWaffle said:

OZONE said:

topdawgnc said:

RoadDawg55 said:

Guns aren't hard to get. Pretty much anyone without a criminal background can go buy one. A buddy of mine at the time got a Mosberg shotgun right after he turned 18. There are plenty of psycho's that don't have criminal records barring them from getting guns in their late teens and early 20's. Criminals can buy them at private trade shows in 40 states with no required background checks. You gun nuts must enjoy having your head in the sand.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2015/06/18/the-legal-loophole-that-allowed-dylann-roof-to-get-a-gun/

I enjoy shooting guns. When I was in college, we would go up in the mountains and set up empty liquor bottles to shoot. AR-15's, AK47's, 1911's. Shooting shit is fun. But the gun laws in this country are not working.

What's not working?

Crimes involving firearms make up 8% of all violent incidents (Bureau of Justice).

We have a scenario where a fucking crazy shoots up 9 innocent people, can you say the knife laws of China aren't working because some crazy sliced up a crowd?

Here's another stat:

11,000 people were murdered by a gun last year. If we cut the American population to represent just the adult population (approximately 15,000,000)... you have a .0008% chance of the gun laws failing you.

Wanting to rewrite the gun laws over the media hyperbole ... is like wanting to rewrite the health care laws because 10% of American's are not covered.

The facts don't back up anyone's anti-gun argument.

This entire thread is about emotion.

It's right where Obama want's us to be ... arguing irrationally on emotion.

Okay... so only 11,000 people were murdered by a gun last year... thus you argue it isn't worth doing anything about.

Well... only 2,996 people died from the terrorist act on 9/11. Should we also have done nothing about that?

Fucking crazy amounts of pressing

Over your head =/= pressing

RoadDawg55 said:

You can use nothing but facts to

topdawgnc said:

RoadDawg55 said:

Guns aren't hard to get. Pretty much anyone without a criminal background can go buy one. A buddy of mine at the time got a Mosberg shotgun right after he turned 18. There are plenty of psycho's that don't have criminal records barring them from getting guns in their late teens and early 20's. Criminals can buy them at private trade shows in 40 states with no required background checks. You gun nuts must enjoy having your head in the sand.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2015/06/18/the-legal-loophole-that-allowed-dylann-roof-to-get-a-gun/

I enjoy shooting guns. When I was in college, we would go up in the mountains and set up empty liquor bottles to shoot. AR-15's, AK47's, 1911's. Shooting shit is fun. But the gun laws in this country are not working.

What's not working?

Crimes involving firearms make up 8% of all violent incidents (Bureau of Justice).

We have a scenario where a fucking crazy shoots up 9 innocent people, can you say the knife laws of China aren't working because some crazy sliced up a crowd?

Here's another stat:

11,000 people were murdered by a gun last year. If we cut the American population to represent just the adult population (approximately 15,000,000)... you have a .0008% chance of the gun laws failing you.

Wanting to rewrite the gun laws over the media hyperbole ... is like wanting to rewrite the health care laws because 10% of American's are not covered.

The facts don't back up anyone's anti-gun argument.

This entire thread is about emotion.

It's right where Obama want's us to be ... arguing irrationally on emotion.

I never said I thought the gun laws would directly affect me. It's a problem that criminals and mentally ill fucks can legally obtain a gun so easily. I'm not sure how someone can disagree with that, but they do. Any 18 year old idiot without a felony can legally buy a shotgun. Any 21 year old without a felony can get a handgun. There are no mental evaluations required.

Please answer these questions.

Why do guns sold privately not have to go through the same procedures and regulations as those bought at a sporting goods store?

Since there is only a .0008% chance of gun laws failing means everything is fine? What would my chance be of a fatal car crash with a .15 BAC?

What is so bad about more thorough criminal background and mental health evaluations when purchasing a gun?

It's about making it tougher on criminals and the mentally unstable. It's not about ruining it for responsible gun owners.

You're making an irrational argument.

Once you hit .008%, which is a very generous percentage ... since I used just 15 million citizens in a country with a population of 300 million ... you're at zero.

The FBI reports there were 5.3 million crimes where a gun was visually present.

On the flip side, just shy of 1 million people report using a guy for self defense.

Every other comparable statistic ... BAC, 9/11 ... are straw man arguments.

I ask this, how do you know when a gun is sold privately? You can't regulate everything. You want to regulate a problem that statistically is zero. How do you get it better? Do you naively believe we can get to zero?

As a comparable state ... 8,000 people died from heroin overdose, another 7,000 died from cocaine. I do believe, those two items are more tightly regulated than guns.

Regulation doesn't stop crazy. In the case of the asshole in this thread, if he didn't have a gun he'd use a pipe bomb ... or a pressure cooker.

RoadDawg55 said:

topdawgnc said:

RoadDawg55 said:

You can use nothing but facts to

topdawgnc said:

RoadDawg55 said:

Guns aren't hard to get. Pretty much anyone without a criminal background can go buy one. A buddy of mine at the time got a Mosberg shotgun right after he turned 18. There are plenty of psycho's that don't have criminal records barring them from getting guns in their late teens and early 20's. Criminals can buy them at private trade shows in 40 states with no required background checks. You gun nuts must enjoy having your head in the sand.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2015/06/18/the-legal-loophole-that-allowed-dylann-roof-to-get-a-gun/

I enjoy shooting guns. When I was in college, we would go up in the mountains and set up empty liquor bottles to shoot. AR-15's, AK47's, 1911's. Shooting shit is fun. But the gun laws in this country are not working.

What's not working?

Crimes involving firearms make up 8% of all violent incidents (Bureau of Justice).

We have a scenario where a fucking crazy shoots up 9 innocent people, can you say the knife laws of China aren't working because some crazy sliced up a crowd?

Here's another stat:

11,000 people were murdered by a gun last year. If we cut the American population to represent just the adult population (approximately 15,000,000)... you have a .0008% chance of the gun laws failing you.

Wanting to rewrite the gun laws over the media hyperbole ... is like wanting to rewrite the health care laws because 10% of American's are not covered.

The facts don't back up anyone's anti-gun argument.

This entire thread is about emotion.

It's right where Obama want's us to be ... arguing irrationally on emotion.

I never said I thought the gun laws would directly affect me. It's a problem that criminals and mentally ill fucks can legally obtain a gun so easily. I'm not sure how someone can disagree with that, but they do. Any 18 year old idiot without a felony can legally buy a shotgun. Any 21 year old without a felony can get a handgun. There are no mental evaluations required.

Please answer these questions.

Why do guns sold privately not have to go through the same procedures and regulations as those bought at a sporting goods store?

Since there is only a .0008% chance of gun laws failing means everything is fine? What would my chance be of a fatal car crash with a .15 BAC?

What is so bad about more thorough criminal background and mental health evaluations when purchasing a gun?

It's about making it tougher on criminals and the mentally unstable. It's not about ruining it for responsible gun owners.

You're making an irrational argument.

Once you hit .008%, which is a very generous percentage ... since I used just 15 million citizens in a country with a population of 300 million ... you're at zero.

I don't entirely disagree, but using every adult is kind of retarded considering the majority of adults don't have guns. I know you are using ballpark numbers, but they are still very flawed.

The FBI reports there were 5.3 million crimes where a gun was visually present.

On the flip side, just shy of 1 million people report using a guy for self defense.

Every other comparable statistic ... BAC, 9/11 ... are straw man arguments.

Any argument that points out that there are laws created for unlikely events are straw man arguments? They aren't to be taken literally, but rather to show that small percentages do not always equal everything being fine.

I ask this, how do you know when a gun is sold privately? You can't regulate everything. You want to regulate a problem that statistically is zero. How do you get it better? Do you naively believe we can get to zero?

It's not statistically a zero. I'm not a law maker. To me, these arguments are similar to "We shouldn't fire Sark because who would you hire?" There are tons of way to make it tougher to sell a gun to a whacko. Do you naively believe that the gun laws couldn't possibly be more effective? Or do you believe that since you and others you know use guns responsibly means that things are perfectly fine?

As a comparable state ... 8,000 people died from heroin overdose, another 7,000 died from cocaine. I do believe, those two items are more tightly regulated than guns.

According to you, those are straw man arguments.

Regulation doesn't stop crazy. In the case of the asshole in this thread, if he didn't have a gun he'd use a pipe bomb ... or a pressure cooker.

You are correct. Regulation does not stop crazy. I still don't understand how making gun laws stricter would make things worse? I'm pretty sure certain it is harder to make an effective pipe bomb than pull a trigger.

Toppy, I know that you and others on this board love your guns, use them responsibly, and are not the problem. Unfortunately, that isn't the case with everyone in this country. I still am not sure why stricter regulations would be such a bad thing? I don't believe it's irrational to try and take steps to prevent these tragedies from happening as often as they do.

I don't own a gun, have never fired a gun ... and have zero desire to learn to shoot. It is the regulation for hysteria I am against.

The drugs are a very real parallel.

Drugs are regulated. Yet more people die from those regulated, hard to get items than guns.

This dude the other day was going to kill black people. He as a sick mother fucker, no gun law would have stopped what happened.

What's your end goal? To make it harder for a whacko to buy a legal gun. That is an admirable goal. Does that mean every person who buys a gun has to be psychologically evaluated? That would require the federal government monitor an estimated 30% of the population who legally own guns.

Nine people were killed by guns, it is a fucking tragedy ... I feel awful for their families. This kid robbed them of a future. Tighter regulations would not have stopped him.