The lack of upperclassmen and the transition to Petersen's culture
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Down voted for trying to discuss football in June without at least providing Bounce material to keep most of us interested.
Next time I suggest paragraph breaks sandwiched with Swayes greatest hits, and maybe a couple of one liners to remind us this is the HHB. -
Signing 48 guys over two years isn't all that many. With two full recruiting classes, it should be Petersen's team. He's had two full classes. There are only 85 scholarships.
I think a better exercise is to look at what kind of players the upperclassmen (the ones still here) are. All the talk about culture is fine, but the real problem is a lack of talent.
2011
Charles - Decent Player
Feeney - Above average Pac 12 LB
Finau - Bum, little to no impact
Hall - Bum at WR. Best QB on the team.
Lawyer - Barely better than being a bum
Perkins - Decent player
Tufunga - Average
Tupou- Bum, little to no impact
Sark signed some elite talent for 2011. Shelton, Sankey, ASJ, Peters, and Kasen (first 3 years) is a hell of a core. Unfortunately, over half that class was filled with average to shitty players.
2012
Beaver - Bum
Brostek - Bum so far. Some still hold onto hope. I don't.
Durkee - He's a punter, who cares?
Eldrenkamp - Average is probably being generous
Fuavai - Bum
Lindquist - Bum
Littleton - Decent player
Mickens - I hate him, but I guess he's okay
Turpin- Bum
Wooching - Bum
The 2012 class was a total dreckfest.
The best upperclassmen are Charles, Feeney, Perkins, and Mickens. None of them are projected to be All Conference players. And this is why we are projected to suck. -
But how is Sark a bad recruiter?
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PurpleThrobber said:
40-50% retention of a recruiting class is pretty normal.
Grades, injuries, transfers. Shit happens.
That should read Sarkasm, but whatever.
Nah, more a point of how the transition and culture change that Petersen has been talking about should be evident by now. Also a slight to Sark's roster management since his last 3 classes only account for 37 players total, but that should be a good thing since Petersen is trying to bring a culture change and bringing in his own players for his own system will be a big part of that.ApostleofGrief said:this is a TL;DR recapitulation of the team is young excuse.... fans should expect any player recruited by any coach who ever got into a three point stance who is now in his SECOND season to be a grizzled, veteran, seasoned, scrappy, player. I've had enough of the fucking young team excuse and so-and-so's recruits excuse. Neuheisel, even he, could work with not his own players!
DisagreeDennis_DeYoung said:Just win.
I didn't count JUCOs since those players would have graduated already, so these are only HS numbers.sarktastic said:- good list.
- if Sark were like Sabin... a *real* James disciple... he would have signed 50, not 45. He would start the sorting process after they arrived on campus, not while they were still on a commitment list.
- sign and enroll 25 players, develop them and you should end up with 12-15 seniors every year.
That's true for someone like Sark, but at BSU, Petersen usually recruited about 20 kids per class since he was able to retain most of his players each year. In fact, the 2010 recruiting class only had 10 kids. I'm expecting something stable like that from Petersen every year, rather than getting 25 kids and running 10 off each class.RoadDawg55 said:Signing 48 guys over two years isn't all that many. With two full recruiting classes, it should be Petersen's team. He's had two full classes. There are only 85 scholarships.
I think a better exercise is to look at what kind of players the upperclassmen (the ones still here) are. All the talk about culture is fine, but the real problem is a lack of talent.
The 2012 class was a total dreckfest.
The best upperclassmen are Charles, Feeney, Perkins, and Mickens. None of them are projected to be All Conference players. And this is why we are projected to suck. -
Ideally there won't be as much retention as Peterman had at BSU because more players are leaving early for the NFL. Don't twist - retention is good, but you do want some players who are good enough to leave early. Alabama signs more than 20 every year, and many years between 25-30.whatshouldicareabout said:
That's true for someone like Sark, but at BSU, Petersen usually recruited about 20 kids per class since he was able to retain most of his players each year. In fact, the 2010 recruiting class only had 10 kids. I'm expecting something stable like that from Petersen every year, rather than getting 25 kids and running 10 off each class.
Peterman had lots of guys drafted from BSU, but many of them were guys who developed over 4-5 years, instead of the 3-and-done level of talent. Most of those guys aren't going to BSU no matter who the coach is. -
Until Mickens and Hall have graduated, the stench of Sark remains. They are better dancers than they are football players.
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I've long held the opinion that the first half of this season could be fairly painful ... but I do think that you'll find a strong second half of the season with a potential feel good upset thrown in (I'm thinking ASU) where you can start seeing the team turn the corner.
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If your team has so many crappy players then how did you win all those games last season?
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they don't want to listen to reason... they are just readying the "team is young excuse" which has been used annually since the Lambo yearsFenwick said:If your team has so many crappy players then how did you win all those games last season?
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Like I said, " Who the fuck is Sark"????
