Some WA State Teachers Are Striking
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I look forward to the day when teachers get paid millions and the military has to have bake sales
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Or when school attendance is compulsory and the Army has to take volunteers... wait whut?
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No big deal, I am an entrepreneur and run my own business. My customers are my bosses but if I keep them happy, I can largely pick my own hours and do work whenever I want. Of course, the greater the risk, the greater the reward (time, money, and lifestyle). If my customers dry up, I'm stuck with inventory (and a mortgage) so I could go out of business in a matter of months if I can't sell.
I have to imagine that that the salary schedule is very general and there are ways around it, especially if one has been in the system awhile and knows how to game it. Anyway, the published numbers of her specific compensation package are more likely correct than a general schedule.
Returning to risk vs. reward, it is also absurd that someone in such a low risk job (teachers rarely get fired, even in a recession) merits such excessive compensation. Some people work year round and finally reach $130k in total pay yet can be laid-off in an instance if the economy tanks.
It used to be that public sector jobs used to offer tremendous stability and good benefits in return for lower pay. As the public sector unions have grown outsized in political influence, the pay is now excessive, the benefits have gone from good to great, and they still have the tremendous stability. Of course to pay for it, they raise taxes on people in the private sector...the ones with the tenuous job stability, the same pay for 12 months of work, and 401ks and higher co-pays instead of guaranteed pensions and low (or no) co-pays.
As Bill Gates might say, IT DOES NOT COMPUTE@!!#@!@!@HuskyJW said:I wasn't being personal...I read your post as saying you are a hard working employee in the private sector struggling to make ends meet. So I pointed out the fact you are posting on the internet in the middle of the work day. Apologies if that is incorrect.
Nice to have a job where you can get paid and be on the internet huh. (insert faggoty wink here)
I am not a teacher nor a public employee in Washington.
I did find the salary schedule and hers doesn't match at all.....so somebody is wrong. Have no clue how her base is allegedly that high.
http://www.highlineschools.org/cms/lib07/WA01919413/Centricity/Domain/83/2013-14 Certificated Salary Schedule w-TRI 2013-08-27.pdf -
I look forward to the day when ALL government employees get paid the millions they deserve.RaceBannon said:I look forward to the day when teachers get paid millions and the military has to have bake sales
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I get fired up at how much a fireman makes and what they do. WOW!HFNY said:No big deal, I am an entrepreneur and run my own business. My customers are my bosses but if I keep them happy, I can largely pick my own hours and do work whenever I want. Of course, the greater the risk, the greater the reward (time, money, and lifestyle). If my customers dry up, I'm stuck with inventory (and a mortgage) so I could go out of business in a matter of months if I can't sell.
I have to imagine that that the salary schedule is very general and there are ways around it, especially if one has been in the system awhile and knows how to game it. Anyway, the published numbers of her specific compensation package are more likely correct than a general schedule.
Returning to risk vs. reward, it is also absurd that someone in such a low risk job (teachers rarely get fired, even in a recession) merits such excessive compensation. Some people work year round and finally reach $130k in total pay yet can be laid-off in an instance if the economy tanks.
It used to be that public sector jobs used to offer tremendous stability and good benefits in return for lower pay. As the public sector unions have grown outsized in political influence, the pay is now excessive, the benefits have gone from good to great, and they still have the tremendous stability. Of course to pay for it, they raise taxes on people in the private sector...the ones with the tenuous job stability, the same pay for 12 months of work, and 401ks and higher co-pays instead of guaranteed pensions and low (or no) co-pays.
As Bill Gates might say, IT DOES NOT COMPUTE@!!#@!HuskyJW said:I wasn't being personal...I read your post as saying you are a hard working employee in the private sector struggling to make ends meet. So I pointed out the fact you are posting on the internet in the middle of the work day. Apologies if that is incorrect.
Nice to have a job where you can get paid and be on the internet huh. (insert faggoty wink here)
I am not a teacher nor a public employee in Washington.
I did find the salary schedule and hers doesn't match at all.....so somebody is wrong. Have no clue how her base is allegedly that high.
http://www.highlineschools.org/cms/lib07/WA01919413/Centricity/Domain/83/2013-14 Certificated Salary Schedule w-TRI 2013-08-27.pdf
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A REAL entrepreneur doesn't give a fuck about some government drones and their "safe" job situation. Why are you so upset by this?HFNY said:No big deal, I am an entrepreneur and run my own business. My customers are my bosses but if I keep them happy, I can largely pick my own hours and do work whenever I want. Of course, the greater the risk, the greater the reward (time, money, and lifestyle). If my customers dry up, I'm stuck with inventory (and a mortgage) so I could go out of business in a matter of months if I can't sell.
I have to imagine that that the salary schedule is very general and there are ways around it, especially if one has been in the system awhile and knows how to game it. Anyway, the published numbers of her specific compensation package are more likely correct than a general schedule.
Returning to risk vs. reward, it is also absurd that someone in such a low risk job (teachers rarely get fired, even in a recession) merits such excessive compensation. Some people work year round and finally reach $130k in total pay yet can be laid-off in an instance if the economy tanks.
It used to be that public sector jobs used to offer tremendous stability and good benefits in return for lower pay. As the public sector unions have grown outsized in political influence, the pay is now excessive, the benefits have gone from good to great, and they still have the tremendous stability. Of course to pay for it, they raise taxes on people in the private sector...the ones with the tenuous job stability, the same pay for 12 months of work, and 401ks and higher co-pays instead of guaranteed pensions and low (or no) co-pays.
As Bill Gates might say, IT DOES NOT COMPUTE@!!#@!HuskyJW said:I wasn't being personal...I read your post as saying you are a hard working employee in the private sector struggling to make ends meet. So I pointed out the fact you are posting on the internet in the middle of the work day. Apologies if that is incorrect.
Nice to have a job where you can get paid and be on the internet huh. (insert faggoty wink here)
I am not a teacher nor a public employee in Washington.
I did find the salary schedule and hers doesn't match at all.....so somebody is wrong. Have no clue how her base is allegedly that high.
http://www.highlineschools.org/cms/lib07/WA01919413/Centricity/Domain/83/2013-14 Certificated Salary Schedule w-TRI 2013-08-27.pdf -
Is your inventory as vast as Amazon's?????
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In Oregon, a five year middle school teacher makes about $45k year. Yes with summers off, but even if they teach summer school, you are looking at $60k. Good money, but not overwhelming considering they now have to have master degrees in order to be hired, so the salary isn't as great when you have to pay off the $40k in student debt.
I wouldn't make it five days as a teacher. Mostly, because many low income families treat school like government paid day care. What Johnny gets taught at school won't help him squat if his parents aren't there to help him apply it, or even provide some sort of parenting that teaches the kid responsibility. A lot of these kids go to school for 7 hours, dick around, then get home and play video games for the next 7-10 hours before bed. The parents aren't there to make sure homework is done, or even make sure the kid reads a damn comic book.
There are some middle and high school teachers that have to deal with kids that read at a first grade level. And now that schools try to use inclusion (putting high level kids and low level kids in the same classroom) Teachers have a whole new problem. How do you teach Johnny who reads at a first grade level, but not dumb it down enough that the high level kids also have to read "Cat in the Hat"?
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She probably got accused of sleeping with an administrator and the legal settlement was a years' pay to go away quietly.HuskyJW said:I wasn't being personal...I read your post as saying you are a hard working employee in the private sector struggling to make ends meet. So I pointed out the fact you are posting on the internet in the middle of the work day. Apologies if that is incorrect.
Nice to have a job where you can get paid and be on the internet huh. (insert faggoty wink here)
I am not a teacher nor a public employee in Washington.
I did find the salary schedule and hers doesn't match at all.....so somebody is wrong. Have no clue how her base is allegedly that high. Maybe the Principal was out for half the year and she served as Interim...I don't know. Maybe the data is wrong.
http://www.highlineschools.org/cms/lib07/WA01919413/Centricity/Domain/83/2013-14 Certificated Salary Schedule w-TRI 2013-08-27.pdf
The year before she made $53K....year before that she made $51K
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This post makes too much sense.greenblood said:In Oregon, a five year middle school teacher makes about $45k year. Yes with summers off, but even if they teach summer school, you are looking at $60k. Good money, but not overwhelming considering they now have to have master degrees in order to be hired, so the salary isn't as great when you have to pay off the $40k in student debt.
I wouldn't make it five days as a teacher. Mostly, because many low income families treat school like government paid day care. What Johnny gets taught at school won't help him squat if his parents aren't there to help him apply it, or even provide some sort of parenting that teaches the kid responsibility. A lot of these kids go to school for 7 hours, dick around, then get home and play video games for the next 7-10 hours before bed. The parents aren't there to make sure homework is done, or even make sure the kid reads a damn comic book.
There are some middle and high school teachers that have to deal with kids that read at a first grade level. And now that schools try to use inclusion (putting high level kids and low level kids in the same classroom) Teachers have a whole new problem. How do you teach Johnny who reads at a first grade level, but not dumb it down enough that the high level kids also have to read "Cat in the Hat"?
Teachers deal with a lot of crap that most people would consider their greatest nightmare.
