Some WA State Teachers Are Striking
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I blame you as a parent for sending your kid to Beach.RaceBannon said:My kid got a B for scoring 50% on a math test at the Beach. The teacher was shocked to see one of his two dads come in and read her the riot act for the soft bigotry of low expectations. 50% isn't a B in any school.
Parents take a lot of blame but we also have soft headed do gooder teachers who are doing more damage than good by not expecting the best from students -
I was hoping for a NBA contract
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To be fair to those right of center, at least some (if not most) recognize that Pre-K programs start the trend early of teaching people how to fish (self-sufficiency / individualism) rather than growing up wanting to be given fish (sucking on the government teat). Good point about the upward mobility too because that is the key, not the buzzword of inequality. Since everything in life circles back to football, young players on a squad don't care about unequal skills (or salaries in the NFL) as much as the chance to get better and play more (or make more money).
People also made good points about the Administrators and the Unions. It's probably much more likely to find an assistant admin to the deputy principal (who barely, if at all, interacts with children) making $100k+ than it is a teacher. I do think seniority is FS because everything should be based on merit. Steve Ballmer was the longest tenured employee at Microsoft by the time he became CEO but complacency set it as he sought to milk Windows and Office for all it was worth rather than moving more aggressively to put MSFT into the 21st century. Well since it was a private sector company, he was actually beholden to outside influence (shareholders) and it was door.ass.out. The beautiful thing was that the stock then popped 7% and then the M's #2 owner (Chris Larsen, employee #3 or 4 at MSFT) started spending more on the M's (Cano, Cruz).Fire_Marshall_Bill said:It's way easier to teach rich and middle class kids than "at risk" kids. I went to a Seattle area private school for a few years and the education was good. I went to a public HS and It was mixed. In the ghetto classes, it basically sucked, though most of my math teachers did a good job considering. If they were actually allowed to really give consequences, or maybe bring back reform schools, that might help to keep discipline. You right wingers won't like this, but in the countries that score higher, there are more pre-k programs available too, and there's more upward mobility.
Yes, the tenure system and some of the unions are screwed up too.
It's a complex issue and most people would rather blame, watch a documentary, and call it a day instead of digging deeper. -
M's are spending more because of their new obscene TV contract that ensures them of a positive cash flow regardless of attendance.
also: all day pre-k and kindergarten complete with free breakfast, lunch, after school daycare and snack instill a very strong dependency message at a very young age that is reinforced for years -
Good points but should we not send kids to pre-k then? Or if we do, only give them food if they pay for it?sarktastic said:
M's are spending more because of their new obscene TV contract that ensures them of a positive cash flow regardless of attendance.
also: all day pre-k and kindergarten complete with free breakfast, lunch, after school daycare and snack instill a very strong dependency message at a very young age that is reinforced for years -
When did it become my job to pay for some shithead kids food? Fuck him and his worthless parents. You just got free day care so you can lay about and watch more daytime shit tv. Least you can do is use some of your fucking food stamps I pay for to buy a goddamn lunchable. I hate people.HFNY said:Good points but should we not send kids to pre-k then? Or if we do, only give them food if they pay for it?
sarktastic said:M's are spending more because of their new obscene TV contract that ensures them of a positive cash flow regardless of attendance.
also: all day pre-k and kindergarten complete with free breakfast, lunch, after school daycare and snack instill a very strong dependency message at a very young age that is reinforced for years -
Child care is expensive and time consuming. As parents you have a choice. Have one stay at home and be there during the day, or pay up for the child care. Even if you buck up and pay the child care, you still have a responssibility to make sure you instill discipline, manners, and responsibiliy to your child. That's not what daycare and teachers are there for. If a parent doesn't want to sacrifce their time and resources after a hard day to their children, then they probably shouldn't have children.jecornel said:Child care is expensive and its expensive and time consuming. Most parents don't want to quit their their full time job and educate them and properly socialize them into a functioning being in society.
Teachers aren't paid enough and much of their other job duties go well into the night.
Teachers are supposed to hold students accountable for their work, but they can only go so far. If mom and dad don't provide structure and consequences at home, the students aren't going to give a shit. If mom and dad let me get away with it, why in the hell do I need to listen to Mr. Smith? is the mentality.
Some of the veteran teachers are bad because they get burned out. Imagine trying to manage a classroom of 36 students that all need attention. Then you have 5 screwups that distract everybody, don't do their homework, and can't read a cereal box let alone write a book report. The parents of these kids say, they'll straighten them up, but never do. Eventually, you fail the kids, but the way the school system is set up now, they don't hold a kid back. So a kid could have 0% in all the classes and still gets bumped up to the seventh grade. This act starts from Pre-K, and when they finally have consequences in high school, the kid just drops out. At that point, does it really matter anymore?
It's unfair to completely blame the parents, but when you child is a class "A" screwup, the teachers didn't put him there. It's like this. If you work at a job and think a coworker is an asshole, then fine, but if you think everyone there are assholes, then maybe you're the asshole.
If your child is failing each grade and with almost every teacher, maybe the teachers aren't the problem. -
Having an educational component to daycare is important. At 4-5 years old most kids should be learning how to feed themselves. Now, if parents have failed in that responsibility, good day are practice would involve this most basic function of self and/cooperative survival. It doesn't matter if the daycare is public/private or subsidized private(most daycare).HFNY said:Good points but should we not send kids to pre-k then? Or if we do, only give them food if they pay for it?
sarktastic said:M's are spending more because of their new obscene TV contract that ensures them of a positive cash flow regardless of attendance.
also: all day pre-k and kindergarten complete with free breakfast, lunch, after school daycare and snack instill a very strong dependency message at a very young age that is reinforced for years -
Sounds like the math teacher understood the value of keeping the kids academically eligible to play.RaceBannon said:My kid got a B for scoring 50% on a math test at the Beach. The teacher was shocked to see one of his two dads come in and read her the riot act for the soft bigotry of low expectations. 50% isn't a B in any school.
Parents take a lot of blame but we also have soft headed do gooder teachers who are doing more damage than good by not expecting the best from students
Not that I would know anything about that... -
Brian Kelly agrees.jecornel said:Child care is expensive and its expensive and time consuming. Most parents don't want to quit their their full time job and educate them and properly socialize them into a functioning being in society.
Teachers aren't paid enough and much of their other job duties go well into the night.
As does Brian Kelly.
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Some parents choose to raise their own kids. Some parents choose to outsource it from day one...some outsource parenting the day their paid maternity benefits run out. Some plan ahead and make contingencies so they can enjoy abundance. Sometimes parents who chose the outsourcing route, seem surprised at certain outcomes.greenblood said:
Child care is expensive and time consuming. As parents you have a choice. Have one stay at home and be there during the day, or pay up for the child care. Even if you buck up and pay the child care, you still have a responssibility to make sure you instill discipline, manners, and responsibiliy to your child. That's not what daycare and teachers are there for. If a parent doesn't want to sacrifce their time and resources after a hard day to their children, then they probably shouldn't have children.jecornel said:Child care is expensive and its expensive and time consuming. Most parents don't want to quit their their full time job and educate them and properly socialize them into a functioning being in society.
Teachers aren't paid enough and much of their other job duties go well into the night.
Teachers are supposed to hold students accountable for their work, but they can only go so far. If mom and dad don't provide structure and consequences at home, the students aren't going to give a shit. If mom and dad let me get away with it, why in the hell do I need to listen to Mr. Smith? is the mentality.
Some of the veteran teachers are bad because they get burned out. Imagine trying to manage a classroom of 36 students that all need attention. Then you have 5 screwups that distract everybody, don't do their homework, and can't read a cereal box let alone write a book report. The parents of these kids say, they'll straighten them up, but never do. Eventually, you fail the kids, but the way the school system is set up now, they don't hold a kid back. So a kid could have 0% in all the classes and still gets bumped up to the seventh grade. This act starts from Pre-K, and when they finally have consequences in high school, the kid just drops out. At that point, does it really matter anymore?
It's unfair to completely blame the parents, but when you child is a class "A" screwup, the teachers didn't put him there. It's like this. If you work at a job and think a coworker is an asshole, then fine, but if you think everyone there are assholes, then maybe you're the asshole.
If your child is failing each grade and with almost every teacher, maybe the teachers aren't the problem. -
I'm surprised they're surprised........sarktastic said:
Some parents choose to raise their own kids. Some parents choose to outsource it from day one...some outsource parenting the day their paid maternity benefits run out. Some plan ahead and make contingencies so they can enjoy abundance. Sometimes parents who chose the outsourcing route, seem surprised at certain outcomes.greenblood said:
Child care is expensive and time consuming. As parents you have a choice. Have one stay at home and be there during the day, or pay up for the child care. Even if you buck up and pay the child care, you still have a responssibility to make sure you instill discipline, manners, and responsibiliy to your child. That's not what daycare and teachers are there for. If a parent doesn't want to sacrifce their time and resources after a hard day to their children, then they probably shouldn't have children.jecornel said:Child care is expensive and its expensive and time consuming. Most parents don't want to quit their their full time job and educate them and properly socialize them into a functioning being in society.
Teachers aren't paid enough and much of their other job duties go well into the night.
Teachers are supposed to hold students accountable for their work, but they can only go so far. If mom and dad don't provide structure and consequences at home, the students aren't going to give a shit. If mom and dad let me get away with it, why in the hell do I need to listen to Mr. Smith? is the mentality.
Some of the veteran teachers are bad because they get burned out. Imagine trying to manage a classroom of 36 students that all need attention. Then you have 5 screwups that distract everybody, don't do their homework, and can't read a cereal box let alone write a book report. The parents of these kids say, they'll straighten them up, but never do. Eventually, you fail the kids, but the way the school system is set up now, they don't hold a kid back. So a kid could have 0% in all the classes and still gets bumped up to the seventh grade. This act starts from Pre-K, and when they finally have consequences in high school, the kid just drops out. At that point, does it really matter anymore?
It's unfair to completely blame the parents, but when you child is a class "A" screwup, the teachers didn't put him there. It's like this. If you work at a job and think a coworker is an asshole, then fine, but if you think everyone there are assholes, then maybe you're the asshole.
If your child is failing each grade and with almost every teacher, maybe the teachers aren't the problem. -
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Are we insinuating the home schooled kids are the normal well adjusted ones?
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I'd rather send my future kids (if I don't shoot blanks) to a pubic school with an honors program (assuming THC riddled semen aren't too damaged) than home-school them.
Not all knowledge comes from textbook and tough to study-up on street smarts.HuskyJW said:Are we insinuating the home schooled kids are the normal well adjusted ones?
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South Bend, Indiana is where you need to go.HFNY said:I'd rather send my future kids (if I don't shoot blanks) to a pubic school with an honors program (assuming THC riddled semen aren't too damaged) than home-school them.
Not all knowledge comes from textbook and tough to study-up on street smarts.HuskyJW said:Are we insinuating the home schooled kids are the normal well adjusted ones?
http://www.adweek.com/adfreak/billboard-touts-south-bends-pubic-schools-12200 -
Obviously the THC, booze, hookers, blow and overall abundance have already taken their toll on me.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
South Bend, Indiana is where you need to go.HFNY said:I'd rather send my future kids (if I don't shoot blanks) to a pubic school with an honors program (assuming THC riddled semen aren't too damaged) than home-school them.
Not all knowledge comes from textbook and tough to study-up on street smarts.HuskyJW said:Are we insinuating the home schooled kids are the normal well adjusted ones?
http://www.adweek.com/adfreak/billboard-touts-south-bends-pubic-schools-12200
