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Some WA State Teachers Are Striking

HFNY
HFNY Member Posts: 5,515
edited April 2015 in Tug Tavern
They want 3% pay raises (even though inflation has been nearly non-existent) and they want more money towards their health care yet they already have overly generous health care benefits.

Take a look at the WA State payrolls for Public Education, sort by total compensation, and then tell me if they really need more? I got too disgusted by elementary school teachers making nearly $100k to keep going:

data.spokesman.com/salaries/schools/2014/all-employees/
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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,570 Standard Supporter
    It is disturbing the amount paid to district administrators across the state.

    It is more disturbing when those same administrators send their own children to private schools.

  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    well, voters did authorize CPI increases for teachers that the legislature overruled and have refused to pay.

    The special taxes to pay for them are still collected.

    Inslee wants to keep those taxes and add new taxes so teachers can begin receiving what they should have been receiving for 8 years now... which will never be made up.

    Yes, admin salaries and staffing have exploded in the meantime... which is truly curious since all public curriculum and 'pacing guidelines' now come from the state. Really, we only need one State teacher for each grade... and beam it into every classroom for this fucked up teaching method to continue.
  • HuskyJW
    HuskyJW Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,434 Founders Club
    edited April 2015
    I went through the first ten pages...I see no elementary teachers making close to 100K. Quite a few in the 20's and 30's

    If teachers who teach your snotty kids to read and write shouldn't make a good salary...I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on who should. You want to pay teachers less and cut their benefits? Seems like a good model to attract top talent.....

    Or are you jealous because you don't make very much and think others shouldn't either?
  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,473 Founders Club
    HuskyJW said:

    I went through the first ten pages...I see no elementary teachers making close to 100K. Quite a few in the 20's and 30's

    If teachers who teach your snotty kids to read and write shouldn't make a good salary...I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on who should. You want to pay teachers less and cut their benefits? Seems like a good model to attract top talent.....

    Or are you jealous because you don't make very much and think others shouldn't either?

    Teachers do fuck all. Get a summer job and quit complaining. Or better yet go do an actual stressful, skill-requiring job.

    Seriously, fuck those cunts. They need to make 7.11 per hour.
  • HFNY
    HFNY Member Posts: 5,515
    You didn't try hard enough. For instance:

    Stacie Ann Kang Ricard Highline School District Elementary Teacher $104,287 $21,550 $9,572 $135,409

    $104,287 is this elementary's base salary, her "bonus" / stipend is $21,550, and her insurance / benefits are $9,572. Of course, this doesn't include her future pension costs or future health care costs.

    The problem I have is that we have a bloated public school system with too many assistant principals and then teachers making significantly more than the average household income of Seattle (not WA State or the Puget Sound, but SEATTLE).

    Teachers also get generous vacations and 3 months off in the summer. Exactly how do you explain that?

    And of course I'm not jealous, who would want to wake up in the morning, look in the mirror, and know that they are fleecing hard working regular Joes and Janes in the private sector who are struggling to make ends meet? To pay for their excessive compensation packages, your average Joe and Jane have to fork over more in taxes.
    HuskyJW said:

    I went through the first ten pages...I see no elementary teachers making close to 100K. Quite a few in the 20's and 30's

    If teachers who teach your snotty kids to read and write shouldn't make a good salary...I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on who should. You want to pay teachers less and cut their benefits? Seems like a good model to attract top talent.....

    Or are you jealous because you don't make very much and think others shouldn't either?

  • HuskyJW
    HuskyJW Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,434 Founders Club
    edited April 2015
    HFNY said:

    You didn't try hard enough. For instance:

    Stacie Ann Kang Ricard Highline School District Elementary Teacher $104,287 $21,550 $9,572 $135,409

    $104,287 is this elementary's base salary, her "bonus" / stipend is $21,550, and her insurance / benefits are $9,572. Of course, this doesn't include her future pension costs or future health care costs.

    The problem I have is that we have a bloated public school system with too many assistant principals and then teachers making significantly more than the average household income of Seattle (not WA State or the Puget Sound, but SEATTLE).

    Teachers also get generous vacations and 3 months off in the summer. Exactly how do you explain that?

    And of course I'm not jealous, who would want to wake up in the morning, look in the mirror, and know that they are fleecing hard working regular Joes and Janes in the private sector who are struggling to make ends meet? To pay for their excessive compensation packages, your average Joe and Jane have to fork over more in taxes.

    HuskyJW said:

    I went through the first ten pages...I see no elementary teachers making close to 100K. Quite a few in the 20's and 30's

    If teachers who teach your snotty kids to read and write shouldn't make a good salary...I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on who should. You want to pay teachers less and cut their benefits? Seems like a good model to attract top talent.....

    Or are you jealous because you don't make very much and think others shouldn't either?

    LOL...

    I find people's anger interesting.

    BTW....you are posting in the middle of the work day saying you are a hard working Joe struggling to make ends meet.
  • HFNY
    HFNY Member Posts: 5,515
    To the contrary, I find your complacency in the face of such fleecing interesting. Are you a teacher or WA State employee? For full-disclosure, I am not.

    And can you quote me where I said I am personally struggling to make ends meet? Or, more accurately, was that another attempt to take a swipe at me because you disagree? To me, I like it when people try to get personal because it lets me know they are losing the factual debate.

    Anyway, care to address the fact that an elementary school teacher is making over $104,000 in base salary for working 9 months (not including 2 weeks vacay for winter, 1 for spring break, and multiple shorter holidays? Or would you rather continue to divert towards personal swipes?
    HuskyJW said:

    HFNY said:

    You didn't try hard enough. For instance:

    Stacie Ann Kang Ricard Highline School District Elementary Teacher $104,287 $21,550 $9,572 $135,409

    $104,287 is this elementary's base salary, her "bonus" / stipend is $21,550, and her insurance / benefits are $9,572. Of course, this doesn't include her future pension costs or future health care costs.

    The problem I have is that we have a bloated public school system with too many assistant principals and then teachers making significantly more than the average household income of Seattle (not WA State or the Puget Sound, but SEATTLE).

    Teachers also get generous vacations and 3 months off in the summer. Exactly how do you explain that?

    And of course I'm not jealous, who would want to wake up in the morning, look in the mirror, and know that they are fleecing hard working regular Joes and Janes in the private sector who are struggling to make ends meet? To pay for their excessive compensation packages, your average Joe and Jane have to fork over more in taxes.

    HuskyJW said:

    I went through the first ten pages...I see no elementary teachers making close to 100K. Quite a few in the 20's and 30's

    If teachers who teach your snotty kids to read and write shouldn't make a good salary...I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on who should. You want to pay teachers less and cut their benefits? Seems like a good model to attract top talent.....

    Or are you jealous because you don't make very much and think others shouldn't either?


    I find people's anger interesting.

    BTW....you are posting in the middle of the work day saying you are a hard working Joe struggling to make ends meet.
  • HuskyJW
    HuskyJW Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,434 Founders Club
    edited April 2015
    I wasn't being personal...I read your post as saying you are a hard working employee in the private sector struggling to make ends meet. So I pointed out the fact you are posting on the internet in the middle of the work day. Apologies if that is incorrect.

    Nice to have a job where you can get paid and be on the internet huh. (insert faggoty wink here)

    I am not a teacher nor a public employee in Washington.

    I did find the salary schedule and hers doesn't match at all.....so somebody is wrong. Have no clue how her base is allegedly that high. Maybe the Principal was out for half the year and she served as Interim...I don't know. Maybe the data is wrong.

    http://www.highlineschools.org/cms/lib07/WA01919413/Centricity/Domain/83/2013-14 Certificated Salary Schedule w-TRI 2013-08-27.pdf

    The year before she made $53K....year before that she made $51K






  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    I don't like to be on the other side from you often HFNY, but, there is a major backstory to ANY k-12 Teacher in WA state making over $100k. It's as rare as a Cuogar football win. I'd bet $1,000 Svenbuks the teacher you cited routinely puts in 70 hour plus weeks, has several assignments outside the classroom and works throughout the summer. The overwhelming majority of teachers can't come close to making this if they wanted to due to a lack of stipends.