Why Don't The Republicans move closer to the center on a couple of issues to WIN?
-Medical Marijuana...the libertarian wing would say that smoking pot for medical purposes (or even for one's own enjoyment) doesn't tread on anyone else.
-Same Sex Marriage: my two dads are in favor it and preventing two people of the same sex to get married is a government intrusion into private relationships. Besides, too many young people are having kids out-of-wedlock because it is no longer shameful to be a single mom (I have no idea why a woman would want to subject herself to raising a kid without a spouse, totallyFS).
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Because the people that are against those things vote hard.
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Three issues a president doesn't effect. The Obama administration has fought medical mj and states legalizing it. Abortion isn't going away. Gay marriage is being decided by courts.
Republicans should run on the economy and defense. Democrats would love to run on abortion -
causation?HFNY said:-Abortion...why not move closer to pro-choice? If a woman wants to get rid of baby, she'll find a way. Read Walt Whitman's "Leaves Of Grass" for very troubling graphic detail.
-Medical Marijuana...the libertarian wing would say that smoking pot for medical purposes (or even for one's own enjoyment) doesn't tread on anyone else.
-Same Sex Marriage: my two dads are in favor it and preventing two people of the same sex to get married is a government intrusion into private relationships. Besides, too many young people are having kids out-of-wedlock because it is no longer shameful to be a single mom (I have no idea why a woman would want to subject herself to raising a kid without a spouse, totallyFS).
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Probably correlation AND causation.
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You will NEVER get the GOP to make same-sex marriage part of their platform. They absolutely require the right wing to vote their direction. They could probably sneak the medical MJ into the platform (or at least not actively oppose it) but not a chance in hell the christians with a small 'c' would go for same-sex. Never.
Same with abortion.
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Who has ever voted for a President even once because of 'party platform'?
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They don't 'for', they vote 'against'.sarktastic said:Who has ever voted for a President even once because of 'party platform'?
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That's what sucks, the libertarian / small government wing loses out to the religious right.
But will the Religious Right vote for Hillary or Bill DeClownio over a Republican who says they don't care about same-sex marriage either way?PurpleThrobber said:You will NEVER get the GOP to make same-sex marriage part of their platform. They absolutely require the right wing to vote their direction. They could probably sneak the medical MJ into the platform (or at least not actively oppose it) but not a chance in hell the christians with a small 'c' would go for same-sex. Never.
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No, but a big chunk of them just won't vote. The GOP has to maximize the religious right turnout. There are probably more small government libertarians than social conservatives, but the social conservatives turn out for candidates they believe in much better than the libertarians do. Hence, the GOP platform.HFNY said:That's what sucks, the libertarian / small government wing loses out to the religious right.
But will the Religious Right vote for Hillary or Bill DeClownio over a Republican who says they don't care about same-sex marriage either way?PurpleThrobber said:You will NEVER get the GOP to make same-sex marriage part of their platform. They absolutely require the right wing to vote their direction. They could probably sneak the medical MJ into the platform (or at least not actively oppose it) but not a chance in hell the christians with a small 'c' would go for same-sex. Never.
Same with abortion.
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I had no idea Leaves of Grass was an abortion how-to manual.
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Only the retards.PurpleThrobber said:
They don't 'for', they vote 'against'.sarktastic said:Who has ever voted for a President even once because of 'party platform'?
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The national polling doesn't agree with you re abortion, plus Race is right. Marriage is a State issue and one for the courts. So are marijuana laws.
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Yes but millenials don't really care as much about national vs. states issue as much as which presidential candidates think like them.d2d said:
The national polling doesn't agree with you re abortion, plus Race is right. Marriage is a State issue and one for the courts. So are marijuana laws.
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Who else are the right wing whack jobs going to vote for?dnc said:
No, but a big chunk of them just won't vote. The GOP has to maximize the religious right turnout. There are probably more small government libertarians than social conservatives, but the social conservatives turn out for candidates they believe in much better than the libertarians do. Hence, the GOP platform.HFNY said:That's what sucks, the libertarian / small government wing loses out to the religious right.
But will the Religious Right vote for Hillary or Bill DeClownio over a Republican who says they don't care about same-sex marriage either way?PurpleThrobber said:You will NEVER get the GOP to make same-sex marriage part of their platform. They absolutely require the right wing to vote their direction. They could probably sneak the medical MJ into the platform (or at least not actively oppose it) but not a chance in hell the christians with a small 'c' would go for same-sex. Never.
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"a big chunk of them just won't vote."TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Who else are the right wing whack jobs going to vote for?dnc said:
No, but a big chunk of them just won't vote. The GOP has to maximize the religious right turnout. There are probably more small government libertarians than social conservatives, but the social conservatives turn out for candidates they believe in much better than the libertarians do. Hence, the GOP platform.HFNY said:That's what sucks, the libertarian / small government wing loses out to the religious right.
But will the Religious Right vote for Hillary or Bill DeClownio over a Republican who says they don't care about same-sex marriage either way?PurpleThrobber said:You will NEVER get the GOP to make same-sex marriage part of their platform. They absolutely require the right wing to vote their direction. They could probably sneak the medical MJ into the platform (or at least not actively oppose it) but not a chance in hell the christians with a small 'c' would go for same-sex. Never.
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Citation needed.dnc said:
"a big chunk of them just won't vote."TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Who else are the right wing whack jobs going to vote for?dnc said:
No, but a big chunk of them just won't vote. The GOP has to maximize the religious right turnout. There are probably more small government libertarians than social conservatives, but the social conservatives turn out for candidates they believe in much better than the libertarians do. Hence, the GOP platform.HFNY said:That's what sucks, the libertarian / small government wing loses out to the religious right.
But will the Religious Right vote for Hillary or Bill DeClownio over a Republican who says they don't care about same-sex marriage either way?PurpleThrobber said:You will NEVER get the GOP to make same-sex marriage part of their platform. They absolutely require the right wing to vote their direction. They could probably sneak the medical MJ into the platform (or at least not actively oppose it) but not a chance in hell the christians with a small 'c' would go for same-sex. Never.
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lemonparty.orgTierbsHsotBoobs said:
Citation needed.dnc said:
"a big chunk of them just won't vote."TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Who else are the right wing whack jobs going to vote for?dnc said:
No, but a big chunk of them just won't vote. The GOP has to maximize the religious right turnout. There are probably more small government libertarians than social conservatives, but the social conservatives turn out for candidates they believe in much better than the libertarians do. Hence, the GOP platform.HFNY said:That's what sucks, the libertarian / small government wing loses out to the religious right.
But will the Religious Right vote for Hillary or Bill DeClownio over a Republican who says they don't care about same-sex marriage either way?PurpleThrobber said:You will NEVER get the GOP to make same-sex marriage part of their platform. They absolutely require the right wing to vote their direction. They could probably sneak the medical MJ into the platform (or at least not actively oppose it) but not a chance in hell the christians with a small 'c' would go for same-sex. Never.
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I'm hearing that a lot of democrats will sit home rather than vote for Hilary.
I don't believe them.
Republicans need to educate their base on the difference between a legislative and presidential election. Playing to the religious base works in congressional elections in the solid districts. The swing districts seem to change hands depending on how bad the president fucks up. Both Bush and Obama managed to run great campaign to get the house and senate into opposition hands by the end of their terms.
On a national election being a REAL conservative works without the overtly religious trappings. Moderates don't fare well, people just vote for the REAL democrat instead.
And let's not pretend that democrats don't have their own nut jobs that they have to pay a homage too. They just don't pay the price for it -
Actually, millennials are no longer pro choice according to polls.HFNY said:Yes but millenials don't really care as much about national vs. states issue as much as which presidential candidates think like them.
d2d said:The national polling doesn't agree with you re abortion, plus Race is right. Marriage is a State issue and one for the courts. So are marijuana laws.
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Could very well be true as it's pretty complicated now:
salon.com/2015/04/08/its_thousands_of_different_shades_of_gray_what_the_pro_choice_vs_pro_life_debate_gets_wrong_about_american_views_on_abortion/d2d said:
Actually, millennials are no longer pro choice according to polls.HFNY said:Yes but millenials don't really care as much about national vs. states issue as much as which presidential candidates think like them.
d2d said:The national polling doesn't agree with you re abortion, plus Race is right. Marriage is a State issue and one for the courts. So are marijuana laws.
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I don't think you know what "millennials" "pro choice" and "polls" mean.d2d said:
Actually, millennials are no longer pro choice according to polls.HFNY said:Yes but millenials don't really care as much about national vs. states issue as much as which presidential candidates think like them.
d2d said:The national polling doesn't agree with you re abortion, plus Race is right. Marriage is a State issue and one for the courts. So are marijuana laws.
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Exactly what I've been reading. The assumption by the far left, that a majority of women want the right to an abortion, any time, any place, is not true. Abortion is a complicated subject. The poll I read polled women in college and out of college, a group with a high likelihood of voting. Over 60%, just under two thirds, said that they would not have an abortion. It is even higher if the woman has already had an abortion.HFNY said:Could very well be true as it's pretty complicated now:
salon.com/2015/04/08/its_thousands_of_different_shades_of_gray_what_the_pro_choice_vs_pro_life_debate_gets_wrong_about_american_views_on_abortion/d2d said:
Actually, millennials are no longer pro choice according to polls.HFNY said:Yes but millenials don't really care as much about national vs. states issue as much as which presidential candidates think like them.
d2d said:The national polling doesn't agree with you re abortion, plus Race is right. Marriage is a State issue and one for the courts. So are marijuana laws.
Young women who have never been to college are much more likely to not vote, or vote democrat with little chance of persuading them otherwise.
That is why they have not changed their position. Because American women have changed THEIR opinion. The days of Gloria Steinem are gone. Just because the leftists at the UW have the biggest mouths, and constitute a majority of the faculty each with their own soapbox which they use daily, does not mean they hold the unanimous, or even majority, opinion.
Washington is a dark blue state. America is a center-right country. Unless you get across the Columbia River and then another several hundred miles, you will never realize that fact. -
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Exactly what I've been reading. The assumption by the far left, that a majority of women want the right to an abortion, any time, any place, is not true. Abortion is a complicated subject. The poll I read polled women in college and out of college, a group with a high likelihood of voting. Over 60%, just under two thirds, said that they would not have an abortion. It is even higher if the woman has already had an abortion.HFNY said:Could very well be true as it's pretty complicated now:
salon.com/2015/04/08/its_thousands_of_different_shades_of_gray_what_the_pro_choice_vs_pro_life_debate_gets_wrong_about_american_views_on_abortion/d2d said:
Actually, millennials are no longer pro choice according to polls.HFNY said:Yes but millenials don't really care as much about national vs. states issue as much as which presidential candidates think like them.
d2d said:The national polling doesn't agree with you re abortion, plus Race is right. Marriage is a State issue and one for the courts. So are marijuana laws.
Young women who have never been to college are much more likely to not vote, or vote democrat with little chance of persuading them otherwise.
That is why they have not changed their position. Because American women have changed THEIR opinion. The days of Gloria Steinem are gone. Just because the leftists at the UW have the biggest mouths, and constitute a majority of the faculty each with their own soapbox which they use daily, does not mean they hold the unanimous, or even majority, opinion.
Washington is a dark blue state. America is a center-right country. Unless you get across the Columbia River and then another several hundred miles, you will never realize that fact.
Here is the part you are missing, Beavis. Just because a woman may choose not to personally have an abortion, does not mean she won't vote for a "woman's right to choose". Most of the women I know fall in this category.
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As long as MJ is classified a Schedule 1 narcotic - "with no medicinal value" - it will continue to be a federal issue.d2d said:The national polling doesn't agree with you re abortion, plus Race is right. Marriage is a State issue and one for the courts. So are marijuana laws.
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The repub needs to suck the base, that is why Rand looks like a bigger flip flopper than john Kerry... get the nomination, then they can waffle on every issue and be a giant pussy to get elected.
With each election cycle the choices somehow get worse.
Just build in a bunch of lines about hope, killing terrorists, a new economy where everyone will prosper and promise job growth and claim to reduce the deficit and no new taxes.
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*deficits don't matter
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A lot of people say they are against abortion until they need to have one.pawz said:d2d said:
Exactly what I've been reading. The assumption by the far left, that a majority of women want the right to an abortion, any time, any place, is not true. Abortion is a complicated subject. The poll I read polled women in college and out of college, a group with a high likelihood of voting. Over 60%, just under two thirds, said that they would not have an abortion. It is even higher if the woman has already had an abortion.HFNY said:Could very well be true as it's pretty complicated now:
salon.com/2015/04/08/its_thousands_of_different_shades_of_gray_what_the_pro_choice_vs_pro_life_debate_gets_wrong_about_american_views_on_abortion/d2d said:
Actually, millennials are no longer pro choice according to polls.HFNY said:Yes but millenials don't really care as much about national vs. states issue as much as which presidential candidates think like them.
d2d said:The national polling doesn't agree with you re abortion, plus Race is right. Marriage is a State issue and one for the courts. So are marijuana laws.
Young women who have never been to college are much more likely to not vote, or vote democrat with little chance of persuading them otherwise.
That is why they have not changed their position. Because American women have changed THEIR opinion. The days of Gloria Steinem are gone. Just because the leftists at the UW have the biggest mouths, and constitute a majority of the faculty each with their own soapbox which they use daily, does not mean they hold the unanimous, or even majority, opinion.
Washington is a dark blue state. America is a center-right country. Unless you get across the Columbia River and then another several hundred miles, you will never realize that fact.
Here is the part you are missing, Beavis. Just because a woman may choose not to personally have an abortion, does not mean she won't vote for a "woman's right to choose". Most of the women I know fall in this category.
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A lot of people say they are against abortion until they need to have one.pawz said:d2d said:
Exactly what I've been reading. The assumption by the far left, that a majority of women want the right to an abortion, any time, any place, is not true. Abortion is a complicated subject. The poll I read polled women in college and out of college, a group with a high likelihood of voting. Over 60%, just under two thirds, said that they would not have an abortion. It is even higher if the woman has already had an abortion.HFNY said:Could very well be true as it's pretty complicated now:
salon.com/2015/04/08/its_thousands_of_different_shades_of_gray_what_the_pro_choice_vs_pro_life_debate_gets_wrong_about_american_views_on_abortion/d2d said:
Actually, millennials are no longer pro choice according to polls.HFNY said:Yes but millenials don't really care as much about national vs. states issue as much as which presidential candidates think like them.
d2d said:The national polling doesn't agree with you re abortion, plus Race is right. Marriage is a State issue and one for the courts. So are marijuana laws.
Young women who have never been to college are much more likely to not vote, or vote democrat with little chance of persuading them otherwise.
That is why they have not changed their position. Because American women have changed THEIR opinion. The days of Gloria Steinem are gone. Just because the leftists at the UW have the biggest mouths, and constitute a majority of the faculty each with their own soapbox which they use daily, does not mean they hold the unanimous, or even majority, opinion.
Washington is a dark blue state. America is a center-right country. Unless you get across the Columbia River and then another several hundred miles, you will never realize that fact.
Here is the part you are missing, Beavis. Just because a woman may choose not to personally have an abortion, does not mean she won't vote for a "woman's right to choose". Most of the women I know fall in this category.
HTH
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People over 25 who let social issues influence more than 25% of their vote are fucking retards. Unfortunately both parties know this and play on people's fears and base emotions.
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Thanks Damone!
