Why Don't The Republicans move closer to the center on a couple of issues to WIN?

HFNY

-Abortion...why not move closer to pro-choice? If a woman wants to get rid of baby, she'll find a way. Read Walt Whitman's "Leaves Of Grass" for very troubling graphic detail.

-Medical Marijuana...the libertarian wing would say that smoking pot for medical purposes (or even for one's own enjoyment) doesn't tread on anyone else.

-Same Sex Marriage: my two dads are in favor it and preventing two people of the same sex to get married is a government intrusion into private relationships. Besides, too many young people are having kids out-of-wedlock because it is no longer shameful to be a single mom (I have no idea why a woman would want to subject herself to raising a kid without a spouse, totallyFS).

allpurpleallgold

Because the people that are against those things vote hard.

RaceBannon

Three issues a president doesn't effect. The Obama administration has fought medical mj and states legalizing it. Abortion isn't going away. Gay marriage is being decided by courts.

Republicans should run on the economy and defense. Democrats would love to run on abortion

dnc

HFNY said:

-Abortion...why not move closer to pro-choice? If a woman wants to get rid of baby, she'll find a way. Read Walt Whitman's "Leaves Of Grass" for very troubling graphic detail.

-Medical Marijuana...the libertarian wing would say that smoking pot for medical purposes (or even for one's own enjoyment) doesn't tread on anyone else.

-Same Sex Marriage: my two dads are in favor it and preventing two people of the same sex to get married is a government intrusion into private relationships. Besides, too many young people are having kids out-of-wedlock because it is no longer shameful to be a single mom (I have no idea why a woman would want to subject herself to raising a kid without a spouse, totallyFS).

causation?

HFNY

Probably correlation AND causation.

PurpleThrobber

You will NEVER get the GOP to make same-sex marriage part of their platform. They absolutely require the right wing to vote their direction. They could probably sneak the medical MJ into the platform (or at least not actively oppose it) but not a chance in hell the christians with a small 'c' would go for same-sex. Never.

Same with abortion.

sarktastic

Who has ever voted for a President even once because of 'party platform'?

PurpleThrobber

sarktastic said:

Who has ever voted for a President even once because of 'party platform'?

They don't 'for', they vote 'against'.

HTH

HFNY

That's what sucks, the libertarian / small government wing loses out to the religious right.

But will the Religious Right vote for Hillary or Bill DeClownio over a Republican who says they don't care about same-sex marriage either way?

PurpleThrobber said:

You will NEVER get the GOP to make same-sex marriage part of their platform. They absolutely require the right wing to vote their direction. They could probably sneak the medical MJ into the platform (or at least not actively oppose it) but not a chance in hell the christians with a small 'c' would go for same-sex. Never.

Same with abortion.

dnc

HFNY said:

That's what sucks, the libertarian / small government wing loses out to the religious right.

But will the Religious Right vote for Hillary or Bill DeClownio over a Republican who says they don't care about same-sex marriage either way?

PurpleThrobber said:

You will NEVER get the GOP to make same-sex marriage part of their platform. They absolutely require the right wing to vote their direction. They could probably sneak the medical MJ into the platform (or at least not actively oppose it) but not a chance in hell the christians with a small 'c' would go for same-sex. Never.

Same with abortion.

No, but a big chunk of them just won't vote. The GOP has to maximize the religious right turnout. There are probably more small government libertarians than social conservatives, but the social conservatives turn out for candidates they believe in much better than the libertarians do. Hence, the GOP platform.

AZDuck

I had no idea Leaves of Grass was an abortion how-to manual.

sarktastic

PurpleThrobber said:

sarktastic said:

Who has ever voted for a President even once because of 'party platform'?

They don't 'for', they vote 'against'.

HTH

Only the retards.

d2d

The national polling doesn't agree with you re abortion, plus Race is right. Marriage is a State issue and one for the courts. So are marijuana laws.

HFNY

Yes but millenials don't really care as much about national vs. states issue as much as which presidential candidates think like them.

d2d said:

The national polling doesn't agree with you re abortion, plus Race is right. Marriage is a State issue and one for the courts. So are marijuana laws.

TierbsHsotBoobs

dnc said:

HFNY said:

That's what sucks, the libertarian / small government wing loses out to the religious right.

But will the Religious Right vote for Hillary or Bill DeClownio over a Republican who says they don't care about same-sex marriage either way?

PurpleThrobber said:

You will NEVER get the GOP to make same-sex marriage part of their platform. They absolutely require the right wing to vote their direction. They could probably sneak the medical MJ into the platform (or at least not actively oppose it) but not a chance in hell the christians with a small 'c' would go for same-sex. Never.

Same with abortion.

No, but a big chunk of them just won't vote. The GOP has to maximize the religious right turnout. There are probably more small government libertarians than social conservatives, but the social conservatives turn out for candidates they believe in much better than the libertarians do. Hence, the GOP platform.

Who else are the right wing whack jobs going to vote for?

dnc

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

dnc said:

HFNY said:

That's what sucks, the libertarian / small government wing loses out to the religious right.

But will the Religious Right vote for Hillary or Bill DeClownio over a Republican who says they don't care about same-sex marriage either way?

PurpleThrobber said:

You will NEVER get the GOP to make same-sex marriage part of their platform. They absolutely require the right wing to vote their direction. They could probably sneak the medical MJ into the platform (or at least not actively oppose it) but not a chance in hell the christians with a small 'c' would go for same-sex. Never.

Same with abortion.

No, but a big chunk of them just won't vote. The GOP has to maximize the religious right turnout. There are probably more small government libertarians than social conservatives, but the social conservatives turn out for candidates they believe in much better than the libertarians do. Hence, the GOP platform.

Who else are the right wing whack jobs going to vote for?

"a big chunk of them just won't vote."

TierbsHsotBoobs

dnc said:

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

dnc said:

HFNY said:

That's what sucks, the libertarian / small government wing loses out to the religious right.

But will the Religious Right vote for Hillary or Bill DeClownio over a Republican who says they don't care about same-sex marriage either way?

PurpleThrobber said:

You will NEVER get the GOP to make same-sex marriage part of their platform. They absolutely require the right wing to vote their direction. They could probably sneak the medical MJ into the platform (or at least not actively oppose it) but not a chance in hell the christians with a small 'c' would go for same-sex. Never.

Same with abortion.

No, but a big chunk of them just won't vote. The GOP has to maximize the religious right turnout. There are probably more small government libertarians than social conservatives, but the social conservatives turn out for candidates they believe in much better than the libertarians do. Hence, the GOP platform.

Who else are the right wing whack jobs going to vote for?

"a big chunk of them just won't vote."

Citation needed.

Swaye

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

dnc said:

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

dnc said:

HFNY said:

That's what sucks, the libertarian / small government wing loses out to the religious right.

But will the Religious Right vote for Hillary or Bill DeClownio over a Republican who says they don't care about same-sex marriage either way?

PurpleThrobber said:

You will NEVER get the GOP to make same-sex marriage part of their platform. They absolutely require the right wing to vote their direction. They could probably sneak the medical MJ into the platform (or at least not actively oppose it) but not a chance in hell the christians with a small 'c' would go for same-sex. Never.

Same with abortion.

No, but a big chunk of them just won't vote. The GOP has to maximize the religious right turnout. There are probably more small government libertarians than social conservatives, but the social conservatives turn out for candidates they believe in much better than the libertarians do. Hence, the GOP platform.

Who else are the right wing whack jobs going to vote for?

"a big chunk of them just won't vote."

Citation needed.

lemonparty.org

RaceBannon

I'm hearing that a lot of democrats will sit home rather than vote for Hilary.

I don't believe them.

Republicans need to educate their base on the difference between a legislative and presidential election. Playing to the religious base works in congressional elections in the solid districts. The swing districts seem to change hands depending on how bad the president fucks up. Both Bush and Obama managed to run great campaign to get the house and senate into opposition hands by the end of their terms.

On a national election being a REAL conservative works without the overtly religious trappings. Moderates don't fare well, people just vote for the REAL democrat instead.

And let's not pretend that democrats don't have their own nut jobs that they have to pay a homage too. They just don't pay the price for it

d2d

HFNY said:

Yes but millenials don't really care as much about national vs. states issue as much as which presidential candidates think like them.

d2d said:

The national polling doesn't agree with you re abortion, plus Race is right. Marriage is a State issue and one for the courts. So are marijuana laws.

Actually, millennials are no longer pro choice according to polls.

HFNY

Could very well be true as it's pretty complicated now:

salon.com/2015/04/08/its_thousands_of_different_shades_of_gray_what_the_pro_choice_vs_pro_life_debate_gets_wrong_about_american_views_on_abortion/

d2d said:

HFNY said:

Yes but millenials don't really care as much about national vs. states issue as much as which presidential candidates think like them.

d2d said:

The national polling doesn't agree with you re abortion, plus Race is right. Marriage is a State issue and one for the courts. So are marijuana laws.

Actually, millennials are no longer pro choice according to polls.