NBA Trade Deadline
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I agree, but their plan isn't to get free agents now. They plan on getting them or trading for one once Embiid or another young guy proves he is a guy to build around. So far, they haven't gotten that guy and tanking is always a risk because franchise guys are rare and there is never a guarantee of the first pick.greenblood said:
The problem with the GM's strategy, is that you only have a 1/4 chance of hitting number 1 to begin with. On top of that, A Tim Duncan, Hakeem Olajuwon, Shaq, Lebron, Durant, type players come around once every 5-6 years. So, basic math is telling me that Philly could possibly tank the next 20 years before they get that magical draft icon. That's Philly's only hope, because they are not going to get free agents to want to come there, because there isn't anybody else to build around.HuskiesADW said:Phillies GM is smart in the way he deals. MCW can't shoot and puts up stats on a terrible team. Why not offload him for a draft pick? You always want to capitalize on a player when their value is at their highest. They have had over a year to evaluate MCW so instead of keeping him you trade him to get some asset in return (in this case a first round pick).
With the amount of draft picks they have in the next couple of drafts they can easily use them to acquire an all-star caliber player(s). What they have been banking on is drafting the next superstar and unfortunately the last two drafts didn't have an obvious one. Wiggins is good but I don't think he will be a superstar by an means. He will play in a couple of all star games but that is about it.
If they can get Mudiay (spelling?) in this upcoming draft we might see the Sixers begin to actually build their roster back up as they will have a very good young piece to build around. Drafting Okafor would also be a good move but I just don't see the hype when I watch him play at Duke. He is going to have a long career in the NBA but I just don't see the comparisons to Duncan that many throw out there...
Otherwise I like what the Suns did as they balance out their roster and pick up Knight who I think fits their team a little better than Dragic. Bledsoe/Dragic are similar in the way they play as both like to push the fast break, drive to the rim and are below average shooters from outside. Knight is a very good shooter and will provide Phoenix with a different look. He is also much younger and I would say has better potential down the road (good for Phoenix's young core of players). -
All this makes you like the Atlanta Hawks all the more. Lots of good parts playing team basketball.
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In the NBA you tank until you get a superstar caliber player as that is essentially the only way you will win a championship. In the last twenty years only the Pistons won a championship without a player who is considered to be one of the top 25 players to ever play the game.
As a result it makes no sense to try to contend every year but finish either as a 7/8 seed or with a late lottery pick. You are just not getting anywhere. Now you can still find great players that can turn a franchise around with one of these picks (Paul George before he got hurt, Gasol, Parker, Kobe, Nash, Kemp, Malone, Stockton, English, etc.,) but the probability of getting a difference maker is much higher with a top 5 pick.
If Philly can find the next great player with a top 5 pick in the next couple of years than tanking will be worth it. They accumulated draft picks and cap space. Once they find the player they want to build around they can easily trade some draft picks for an established player/veteran or sign complementary pieces on the FA market.
The player they really wanted was Wiggins. It sucks that it didn't work out for them but they should be able to get either Mudiay or Okafor. If they get Mudiay that would be great for the Sixers as I think he will be the best player in this draft class and probably the best prospect from the past three or four drafts... -
Everyone gets what they are doing, but you also risk alienating your fan base by continuously having losing seasons. If your team completely sucks, you can't make moves to acquire a star like James Harden, Dwight Howard, Carmello, Shaq, or others who have been traded. You can throw in other guys who are solid core players, borderline stars such as Rondo and Kevin Love. Those guys will never re-sign with a shit team like Philadelphia. Philadelphia has almost nothing to trade other than draft picks.HuskiesADW said:In the NBA you tank until you get a superstar caliber player as that is essentially the only way you will win a championship. In the last twenty years only the Pistons won a championship without a player who is considered to be one of the top 25 players to ever play the game.
As a result it makes no sense to try to contend every year but finish either as a 7/8 seed or with a late lottery pick. You are just not getting anywhere. Now you can still find great players that can turn a franchise around with one of these picks (Paul George before he got hurt, Gasol, Parker, Kobe, Nash, Kemp, Malone, Stockton, English, etc.,) but the probability of getting a difference maker is much higher with a top 5 pick.
If Philly can find the next great player with a top 5 pick in the next couple of years than tanking will be worth it. They accumulated draft picks and cap space. Once they find the player they want to build around they can easily trade some draft picks for an established player/veteran or sign complementary pieces on the FA market.
The player they really wanted was Wiggins. It sucks that it didn't work out for them but they should be able to get either Mudiay or Okafor. If they get Mudiay that would be great for the Sixers as I think he will be the best player in this draft class and probably the best prospect from the past three or four drafts...
There doesn't look to be a franchise player in this year's draft. So they will tank again next year. At some point you have to build a core and try and develop some winning habits. I feel pretty safe saying Philadelphia's GM is a moron. It's easier to acquire a superstar than to draft one. And to acquire one, you need to have some talent on hand, not just draft picks.
Out of the guys who have been top 5 picks the past five years, the only franchise guys are John Wall, Demarcus Cousins, Kyrie Irving, and Anthony Davis. Davis is the only guy who truly moves the needle and could win an MVP. Wiggins is going to be pretty good and nobody knows about Embiid, but 7 footers starting their career with a foot injury is not good. Go back and look at the top 5 picks of recent drafts. Most guys are average players. Some are disasters.
The bottom line is that it is not a sound strategy. -
The collection of talent in the league right now is as high as it has been in a long time. Teams like Atlanta have a number of very good players that are proving that you can win at a high level by executing and having an identity. The Spurs have been to back to back championships with their HOF caliber players being well past their prime. Some of the biggest superstars in the league have struggled this year due to their supporting casts not being up to speed.
Superstars no doubt help you to win titles. But it's not a be all to end all. -
This strategy is only sound when you are guaranteed a #1 pick. How many times does the worst team actually get the first pick?HuskiesADW said:In the NBA you tank until you get a superstar caliber player as that is essentially the only way you will win a championship. In the last twenty years only the Pistons won a championship without a player who is considered to be one of the top 25 players to ever play the game.
As a result it makes no sense to try to contend every year but finish either as a 7/8 seed or with a late lottery pick. You are just not getting anywhere. Now you can still find great players that can turn a franchise around with one of these picks (Paul George before he got hurt, Gasol, Parker, Kobe, Nash, Kemp, Malone, Stockton, English, etc.,) but the probability of getting a difference maker is much higher with a top 5 pick.
If Philly can find the next great player with a top 5 pick in the next couple of years than tanking will be worth it. They accumulated draft picks and cap space. Once they find the player they want to build around they can easily trade some draft picks for an established player/veteran or sign complementary pieces on the FA market.
The player they really wanted was Wiggins. It sucks that it didn't work out for them but they should be able to get either Mudiay or Okafor. If they get Mudiay that would be great for the Sixers as I think he will be the best player in this draft class and probably the best prospect from the past three or four drafts...
It is pretty funny to think that this GM's strategy is entirely dependent on winning the powerball. I just hope that when the Sixers do happen to win it, it's of the same quality as the 2000 NBA draft with the top three careers being Michael Redd (2nd Round), Kenyon Martin, and Jamaal Magloire.
You guys seriously need to look at that draft, it's got to be the worst collection of draft picks ever recorded. -
Even when the 76er
2000 is a dreckfest. 2013 could end up giving it a run.greenblood said:
This strategy is only sound when you are guaranteed a #1 pick. How many times does the worst team actually get the first pick?HuskiesADW said:In the NBA you tank until you get a superstar caliber player as that is essentially the only way you will win a championship. In the last twenty years only the Pistons won a championship without a player who is considered to be one of the top 25 players to ever play the game.
As a result it makes no sense to try to contend every year but finish either as a 7/8 seed or with a late lottery pick. You are just not getting anywhere. Now you can still find great players that can turn a franchise around with one of these picks (Paul George before he got hurt, Gasol, Parker, Kobe, Nash, Kemp, Malone, Stockton, English, etc.,) but the probability of getting a difference maker is much higher with a top 5 pick.
If Philly can find the next great player with a top 5 pick in the next couple of years than tanking will be worth it. They accumulated draft picks and cap space. Once they find the player they want to build around they can easily trade some draft picks for an established player/veteran or sign complementary pieces on the FA market.
The player they really wanted was Wiggins. It sucks that it didn't work out for them but they should be able to get either Mudiay or Okafor. If they get Mudiay that would be great for the Sixers as I think he will be the best player in this draft class and probably the best prospect from the past three or four drafts...
It is pretty funny to think that this GM's strategy is entirely dependent on winning the powerball. I just hope that when the Sixers do happen to win it, it's of the same quality as the 2000 NBA draft with the top three careers being Michael Redd (2nd Round), Kenyon Martin, and Jamaal Magloire.
You guys seriously need to look at that draft, it's got to be the worst collection of draft picks ever recorded. -
What's also amazing is that this strategy should really only be considered by teams that can't aquire top notch talent. Teams like Portland, Sacramento, Orlando, etc. will only win through the draft. Cleveland also fits this theory, they got lucky in that Lebron was born in their backyard. Philadelphia is a big city, and is a nice ticket for free agents, if you just have one premier player. Hell, Philly could trade 2 of their first rounders and get a premier guy. Once they have that one guy, then other players will follow. Iverson didn't get help I know, but that was more on Iverson than Philly.RoadDawg55 said:Even when the 76er
2000 is a dreckfest. 2013 could end up giving it a run.greenblood said:
This strategy is only sound when you are guaranteed a #1 pick. How many times does the worst team actually get the first pick?HuskiesADW said:In the NBA you tank until you get a superstar caliber player as that is essentially the only way you will win a championship. In the last twenty years only the Pistons won a championship without a player who is considered to be one of the top 25 players to ever play the game.
As a result it makes no sense to try to contend every year but finish either as a 7/8 seed or with a late lottery pick. You are just not getting anywhere. Now you can still find great players that can turn a franchise around with one of these picks (Paul George before he got hurt, Gasol, Parker, Kobe, Nash, Kemp, Malone, Stockton, English, etc.,) but the probability of getting a difference maker is much higher with a top 5 pick.
If Philly can find the next great player with a top 5 pick in the next couple of years than tanking will be worth it. They accumulated draft picks and cap space. Once they find the player they want to build around they can easily trade some draft picks for an established player/veteran or sign complementary pieces on the FA market.
The player they really wanted was Wiggins. It sucks that it didn't work out for them but they should be able to get either Mudiay or Okafor. If they get Mudiay that would be great for the Sixers as I think he will be the best player in this draft class and probably the best prospect from the past three or four drafts...
It is pretty funny to think that this GM's strategy is entirely dependent on winning the powerball. I just hope that when the Sixers do happen to win it, it's of the same quality as the 2000 NBA draft with the top three careers being Michael Redd (2nd Round), Kenyon Martin, and Jamaal Magloire.
You guys seriously need to look at that draft, it's got to be the worst collection of draft picks ever recorded. -
Yeah the 2000 NBA draft was terrible and probably the worst ever (2013 draft might give them a run for their money).
I don't think it is all about getting the number one draft pick. They just need to get a top three pick I think.
Embiid is going to be a huge piece for Philly. If (and this is a huge IF) he can get healthy he has huge potential. Although chances are his career is done as rarely a big ends up having a good/great career after breaking their foot early on in his career (plus the back problems). His per 40 numbers in college were better than Okafor's this season at the same age so the potential is real.
They also have Saric's draft rights and potentially four picks in this years draft (they acquired the Lakers pick (top 5 protected this year and top 3 protected next year) and also their own (likely top 3).
They need to hit on this draft pick and draft Mudiay and hope they get the Lakers pick this year (17% chance at the moment).
I don't know I generally have agreed with the moves Hinkie has been making. When he lost out on Wiggins he took the guy with the biggest potential in Embiid. Traded MCW for possibly the number 6 pick this year and if not a first next year (only top 3 protected in 2016).
I also don't care about "alienating" the fan base. Every fan base has a set amount of fans that will watch/go to games no matter how good/bad a team is. Rest are like all the 12s out on the streets of Seattle.
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Maybe, but if it doesn't happen soon, the GM won't be.HuskiesADW said:Yeah the 2000 NBA draft was terrible and probably the worst ever (2013 draft might give them a run for their money).
I don't think it is all about getting the number one draft pick. They just need to get a top three pick I think.
Embiid is going to be a huge piece for Philly. If (and this is a huge IF) he can get healthy he has huge potential. Although chances are his career is done as rarely a big ends up having a good/great career after breaking their foot early on in his career (plus the back problems). His per 40 numbers in college were better than Okafor's this season at the same age so the potential is real.
They also have Saric's draft rights and potentially four picks in this years draft (they acquired the Lakers pick (top 5 protected this year and top 3 protected next year) and also their own (likely top 3).
They need to hit on this draft pick and draft Mudiay and hope they get the Lakers pick this year (17% chance at the moment).
I don't know I generally have agreed with the moves Hinkie has been making. When he lost out on Wiggins he took the guy with the biggest potential in Embiid. Traded MCW for possibly the number 6 pick this year and if not a first next year (only top 3 protected in 2016).
I also don't care about "alienating" the fan base. Every fan base has a set amount of fans that will watch/go to games no matter how good/bad a team is. Rest are like all the 12s out on the streets of Seattle.
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True that, but I think he has another two years. No way does he let Saric stay overseas if his job is in jeopardy.
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Saric is a foreigner that was picked 11th (or 12th. He wouldn't make any difference at all this season.HuskiesADW said:True that, but I think he has another two years. No way does he let Saric stay overseas if his job is in jeopardy.
Even if the 76ers pick a good player this year, they are still years from making the playoffs.
