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GOP Was Right On Oil Drilling
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Excuse me, what is being imported from China?RaceBannon said:
That will be contained, cleaned and removed. The desert is ruined and the birds are killed daily by windmills that need oil to be produced and transported here from China.doogsinparadise said:
But still -
Well I'm glad that you recognize our economy is inherently damaging to ecosystems. About oil spill cleanup though, it's still largely a crapshoot with even the best funded operations struggling to find successful resolutions; there's still ongoing cleanup from the Valdez spill, twenty-five years later. This explains problems BP had when using dispersants in the Deepwater Horizon spill. adn.com/article/20150118/chemical-dispersants-deserve-critical-examination-alaskansRaceBannon said:
That will be contained, cleaned and removed. The desert is ruined and the birds are killed daily by windmills that need oil to be produced and transported here from China.doogsinparadise said:
But still -
So the question is.....
Do we kill the dolphins or kill the birds?
I vote abundance. Dolphins are not much to eat, birds shit on my car and I like cheap power. -
Deductibles are factored in when comparing insurance costs. Sorry your news source tells you that.HuskyInAZ said:
Deductibles don't show up as insurance costs, turbo. And please clarify where I twisted one single fact (other than December 2008).2001400ex said:
http://zfacts.com/gas-price-history-graphHuskyInAZ said:
Sure, Obama took office in January of 2009. Should BHO take credit for the crash before he was elected? I used December 2008 because it was easy to find EOY gas prices. After digging a bit more, gas prices in January of 2009 were $1.84 per gallon. Doesn't change the fact that none of us pay less for gas today than the day BHO took over the White House.2001400ex said:
Don't be a twister. First, Obama didn't take office is 2008. Second, there was a crash in prices just before took office. The highest gas prices ever were in July of 2008. They spiked then crashed. So stop twisting.HuskyInAZ said:When obama took office in December of 2008, gas prices were around $1.60/gallon. Today, the gas prices are around $1.90/gallon. Please enlighten me how the average American family is better off.
Being the President during the most recent rise and fall of gas prices, yet taking credit for only the fall......typical political BS. That goes for both democrats and republicans.
It's right up there with taking credit for the record number of college graduates, but failing to mention that federal student loans have doubled in the past 6 years. Or proclaiming the virtues of 10 million new insured Americans, yet ignoring the fact that it's on the backs of middle class American's paying for it via skyrocketing deductibles.
And it was $4.38 in July of 2008, like i said you are twisting facts.
Same as you saying deductibles are skyrocketing. Complete bullshit. Insurance costs have increased slower than they have in a long time.
My issue is that all of this healthcare, higher education, etc......it's doing nothing but trying to hide tax increases.
I posted a link that shows exactly how you twisted a fact. Discussing gas prices on the day Obama was inaugurated is silly without taking into account the average price the outdoor few years. I know you'd prefer the 800,000 jobs we were losing a month when Obama took over. But somehow that was Obama's fault too?
Hidden tax increases? Tax increases are pretty transparent. And unless you make over $250k a year, I wouldn't worry about no stinkin tax increases. -
It depends how they're presented and which groups are being evaluated (healthier people vs sicker people).2001400ex said:Deductibles are factored in when comparing insurance costs. Sorry your news source tells you that.
I posted a link that shows exactly how you twisted a fact. Discussing gas prices on the day Obama was inaugurated is silly without taking into account the average price the outdoor few years. I know you'd prefer the 800,000 jobs we were losing a month when Obama took over. But somehow that was Obama's fault too?
Hidden tax increases? Tax increases are pretty transparent. And unless you make over $250k a year, I wouldn't worry about no stinkin tax increases.
Often times, the numbers that people use to compare insurance plans are the monthly premiums, coinsurance and prescription copay rather than deductibles. They look at what they pay each month and what they'll pay each time they see a physician or get a prescription filled. Many don't realize how the plans are structured and many people go for the high deductible plans because the other values are so low. This was observed when people were signing up for the exchanges in the first year, which is favorable for the healthy people (they see the doctor less, have fewer prescriptions) than the sick people (they blow through their deductible, then continue to pay for each visit and prescription). -
Exactly how can deductibles be "factored in"? I know, I know, details. But I'd love to understand. Please enlighten me.2001400ex said:
Deductibles are factored in when comparing insurance costs. Sorry your news source tells you that.HuskyInAZ said:
Deductibles don't show up as insurance costs, turbo. And please clarify where I twisted one single fact (other than December 2008).2001400ex said:
http://zfacts.com/gas-price-history-graphHuskyInAZ said:
Sure, Obama took office in January of 2009. Should BHO take credit for the crash before he was elected? I used December 2008 because it was easy to find EOY gas prices. After digging a bit more, gas prices in January of 2009 were $1.84 per gallon. Doesn't change the fact that none of us pay less for gas today than the day BHO took over the White House.2001400ex said:
Don't be a twister. First, Obama didn't take office is 2008. Second, there was a crash in prices just before took office. The highest gas prices ever were in July of 2008. They spiked then crashed. So stop twisting.HuskyInAZ said:When obama took office in December of 2008, gas prices were around $1.60/gallon. Today, the gas prices are around $1.90/gallon. Please enlighten me how the average American family is better off.
Being the President during the most recent rise and fall of gas prices, yet taking credit for only the fall......typical political BS. That goes for both democrats and republicans.
It's right up there with taking credit for the record number of college graduates, but failing to mention that federal student loans have doubled in the past 6 years. Or proclaiming the virtues of 10 million new insured Americans, yet ignoring the fact that it's on the backs of middle class American's paying for it via skyrocketing deductibles.
And it was $4.38 in July of 2008, like i said you are twisting facts.
Same as you saying deductibles are skyrocketing. Complete bullshit. Insurance costs have increased slower than they have in a long time.
My issue is that all of this healthcare, higher education, etc......it's doing nothing but trying to hide tax increases.
I posted a link that shows exactly how you twisted a fact. Discussing gas prices on the day Obama was inaugurated is silly without taking into account the average price the outdoor few years. I know you'd prefer the 800,000 jobs we were losing a month when Obama took over. But somehow that was Obama's fault too?
Hidden tax increases? Tax increases are pretty transparent. And unless you make over $250k a year, I wouldn't worry about no stinkin tax increases.
How about BHO's gloating about more college graduates than ever. That may be true. But did he mention that federal student debt has doubled under his watch to around $1.2 trillion dollars? Nope. All is good with the world, right? The student loan BS combined with skyrocketing tuition is clearly a tax on young people. If you can't see that, then there's no use debating.
Tax increases are far from transparent. Obamacare and the student loan debacle are clear tax increases on a couple of targeted demographics. -
They try to use comparable plans when calculating health insurance increases. How hard is that to understand? I know your news source likes to spout that talking point, doesn't make it true.HuskyInAZ said:
Exactly how can deductibles be "factored in"? I know, I know, details. But I'd love to understand. Please enlighten me.2001400ex said:
Deductibles are factored in when comparing insurance costs. Sorry your news source tells you that.HuskyInAZ said:
Deductibles don't show up as insurance costs, turbo. And please clarify where I twisted one single fact (other than December 2008).2001400ex said:
http://zfacts.com/gas-price-history-graphHuskyInAZ said:
Sure, Obama took office in January of 2009. Should BHO take credit for the crash before he was elected? I used December 2008 because it was easy to find EOY gas prices. After digging a bit more, gas prices in January of 2009 were $1.84 per gallon. Doesn't change the fact that none of us pay less for gas today than the day BHO took over the White House.2001400ex said:
Don't be a twister. First, Obama didn't take office is 2008. Second, there was a crash in prices just before took office. The highest gas prices ever were in July of 2008. They spiked then crashed. So stop twisting.HuskyInAZ said:When obama took office in December of 2008, gas prices were around $1.60/gallon. Today, the gas prices are around $1.90/gallon. Please enlighten me how the average American family is better off.
Being the President during the most recent rise and fall of gas prices, yet taking credit for only the fall......typical political BS. That goes for both democrats and republicans.
It's right up there with taking credit for the record number of college graduates, but failing to mention that federal student loans have doubled in the past 6 years. Or proclaiming the virtues of 10 million new insured Americans, yet ignoring the fact that it's on the backs of middle class American's paying for it via skyrocketing deductibles.
And it was $4.38 in July of 2008, like i said you are twisting facts.
Same as you saying deductibles are skyrocketing. Complete bullshit. Insurance costs have increased slower than they have in a long time.
My issue is that all of this healthcare, higher education, etc......it's doing nothing but trying to hide tax increases.
I posted a link that shows exactly how you twisted a fact. Discussing gas prices on the day Obama was inaugurated is silly without taking into account the average price the outdoor few years. I know you'd prefer the 800,000 jobs we were losing a month when Obama took over. But somehow that was Obama's fault too?
Hidden tax increases? Tax increases are pretty transparent. And unless you make over $250k a year, I wouldn't worry about no stinkin tax increases.
How about BHO's gloating about more college graduates than ever. That may be true. But did he mention that federal student debt has doubled under his watch to around $1.2 trillion dollars? Nope. All is good with the world, right? The student loan BS combined with skyrocketing tuition is clearly a tax on young people. If you can't see that, then there's no use debating.
Tax increases are far from transparent. Obamacare and the student loan debacle are clear tax increases on a couple of targeted demographics.
And you are repeating right wing talking points. Got any original thoughts? When you discuss student loan debt, why don't you discuss positive in the economy as well? There are plenty is you want to look at them.
Yes, tax increases are transparent. Do you think the republican Congress will let any tax increase go through without bringing up every tax increase? Geez your lack of common sense is amazing. -
I just don't whine and cry abut a product that I use every day and that has been a miracle for mankind but then again I'm not a millennial. The oil industry besides being vital is highly regulated and held accountable for all damage it does. Nothing will ever be fail safe.doogsinparadise said:
Well I'm glad that you recognize our economy is inherently damaging to ecosystems. About oil spill cleanup though, it's still largely a crapshoot with even the best funded operations struggling to find successful resolutions; there's still ongoing cleanup from the Valdez spill, twenty-five years later. This explains problems BP had when using dispersants in the Deepwater Horizon spill. adn.com/article/20150118/chemical-dispersants-deserve-critical-examination-alaskansRaceBannon said:
That will be contained, cleaned and removed. The desert is ruined and the birds are killed daily by windmills that need oil to be produced and transported here from China.doogsinparadise said:
But still
Wind power is an expensive and ugly boondoggle that brings nothing to us but dead birds and ugly landscape.
But still
"our economy is inherently damaging to our ecosystems"
Kill yourself and help the rest of us out -
Wind power. I sure do hate free energy from ugly towers in the middle of no where. You gonna live outside of ellensburg??RaceBannon said:
I just don't whine and cry abut a product that I use every day and that has been a miracle for mankind but then again I'm not a millennial. The oil industry besides being vital is highly regulated and held accountable for all damage it does. Nothing will ever be fail safe.doogsinparadise said:
Well I'm glad that you recognize our economy is inherently damaging to ecosystems. About oil spill cleanup though, it's still largely a crapshoot with even the best funded operations struggling to find successful resolutions; there's still ongoing cleanup from the Valdez spill, twenty-five years later. This explains problems BP had when using dispersants in the Deepwater Horizon spill. adn.com/article/20150118/chemical-dispersants-deserve-critical-examination-alaskansRaceBannon said:
That will be contained, cleaned and removed. The desert is ruined and the birds are killed daily by windmills that need oil to be produced and transported here from China.doogsinparadise said:
But still
Wind power is an expensive and ugly boondoggle that brings nothing to us but dead birds and ugly landscape.
But still
"our economy is inherently damaging to our ecosystems"
Kill yourself and help the rest of us out -
ATTN MODS: I am in favor of adding a minimum IQ level for posting members.2001400ex said:
Deductibles are factored in when comparing insurance costs. Sorry your news source tells you that.HuskyInAZ said:
Deductibles don't show up as insurance costs, turbo. And please clarify where I twisted one single fact (other than December 2008).2001400ex said:
http://zfacts.com/gas-price-history-graphHuskyInAZ said:
Sure, Obama took office in January of 2009. Should BHO take credit for the crash before he was elected? I used December 2008 because it was easy to find EOY gas prices. After digging a bit more, gas prices in January of 2009 were $1.84 per gallon. Doesn't change the fact that none of us pay less for gas today than the day BHO took over the White House.2001400ex said:
Don't be a twister. First, Obama didn't take office is 2008. Second, there was a crash in prices just before took office. The highest gas prices ever were in July of 2008. They spiked then crashed. So stop twisting.HuskyInAZ said:When obama took office in December of 2008, gas prices were around $1.60/gallon. Today, the gas prices are around $1.90/gallon. Please enlighten me how the average American family is better off.
Being the President during the most recent rise and fall of gas prices, yet taking credit for only the fall......typical political BS. That goes for both democrats and republicans.
It's right up there with taking credit for the record number of college graduates, but failing to mention that federal student loans have doubled in the past 6 years. Or proclaiming the virtues of 10 million new insured Americans, yet ignoring the fact that it's on the backs of middle class American's paying for it via skyrocketing deductibles.
And it was $4.38 in July of 2008, like i said you are twisting facts.
Same as you saying deductibles are skyrocketing. Complete bullshit. Insurance costs have increased slower than they have in a long time.
My issue is that all of this healthcare, higher education, etc......it's doing nothing but trying to hide tax increases.
I posted a link that shows exactly how you twisted a fact. Discussing gas prices on the day Obama was inaugurated is silly without taking into account the average price the outdoor few years. I know you'd prefer the 800,000 jobs we were losing a month when Obama took over. But somehow that was Obama's fault too?
Hidden tax increases? Tax increases are pretty transparent. And unless you make over $250k a year, I wouldn't worry about no stinkin tax increases.
