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GOP Was Right On Oil Drilling
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Something about the Saudis cranking up their output to flood the supply side and their lower cost of production versus tar sands and fracking, blah, blah, blah.
I'm all for greener, renewable energy but while it ramps up to commercial readiness, I'm all for cheap fucking gas for my cars.
Now, I have rich friends calling for huge increases in gas taxes to fund infrastructure spending (better roads, etc) Fuck that, let me have my cheap gas for awhile.
AND I'm all for cutting corporate subsidies to oil companies. Fuck them and their record profits, pay your fair share bitches. -
Deductibles don't show up as insurance costs, turbo. And please clarify where I twisted one single fact (other than December 2008).2001400ex said:
http://zfacts.com/gas-price-history-graphHuskyInAZ said:
Sure, Obama took office in January of 2009. Should BHO take credit for the crash before he was elected? I used December 2008 because it was easy to find EOY gas prices. After digging a bit more, gas prices in January of 2009 were $1.84 per gallon. Doesn't change the fact that none of us pay less for gas today than the day BHO took over the White House.2001400ex said:
Don't be a twister. First, Obama didn't take office is 2008. Second, there was a crash in prices just before took office. The highest gas prices ever were in July of 2008. They spiked then crashed. So stop twisting.HuskyInAZ said:When obama took office in December of 2008, gas prices were around $1.60/gallon. Today, the gas prices are around $1.90/gallon. Please enlighten me how the average American family is better off.
Being the President during the most recent rise and fall of gas prices, yet taking credit for only the fall......typical political BS. That goes for both democrats and republicans.
It's right up there with taking credit for the record number of college graduates, but failing to mention that federal student loans have doubled in the past 6 years. Or proclaiming the virtues of 10 million new insured Americans, yet ignoring the fact that it's on the backs of middle class American's paying for it via skyrocketing deductibles.
And it was $4.38 in July of 2008, like i said you are twisting facts.
Same as you saying deductibles are skyrocketing. Complete bullshit. Insurance costs have increased slower than they have in a long time.
My issue is that all of this healthcare, higher education, etc......it's doing nothing but trying to hide tax increases. -
Disgree. Sorry for your troubles brah but it's about time the pendulum swung back in the right direction. Strong oil prices have not been good for America (except for the fact that it spurred more exploration and drilling, and hopefully some breakthroughs in new energy technology that will make us less reliant on oil in the future). Higher prices at the pump negatively impact every individual that fills their car. Inflated shipping costs increase prices on everything. This tax is currently gone, and hopefully it stays gone. For several years one sector of the economy was getting fat off the pain of the rest. Now that the tables are turned, that particular sector will suffer while most of the rest return to some sense of normalcy (as far as gas/oil/shippings costs are concerned). The economy will benefit greatly from this. And the enemies of this nation will suffer, as they should.topdawgnc said:
Disagree.oregonblitzkrieg said:
The rest of the nation doesn't give a shit if the oil sector goes under. They've been living high off the hog for many years now at the expense of everyone else, and to the detriment of the overall health of the economy. So fuck them. Cheaper gas will be better for the rest of the economy and benefit nearly everyone - individuals, small businesses, large companies and the government. It also has the benefit of weakening enemy countries like Russia and crippling the raghead governments' ability to exert their will on a global scale.HeretoBeatmyChest said:High oil prices contributed greatly to job growth in the energy sector, where a good fraction of overall job growth came from. Overall, the lower prices are probably a slight net benefit for the economy. But the energy boom contributed materially to job growth. Also, a lot of banks lent to these companies who are going to go under. There is going to be some negative fallout coming in the quarters ahead.
It does give us benefit in hurting russia.
Strong oil prices have been good for America. It has created a lot of jobs.
It will hurt my company, we are an ambulatory benefactor of the oil boom in the fracking parts of the country (Texas, Dakotas, Colorado, New Messico).
Sure lower gas is good, however, certain parts of the economy are going to suffer. -
The only reason gas prices were that low was because of the recession, i.e. low demand.HuskyInAZ said:When obama took office in December of 2008, gas prices were around $1.60/gallon. Today, the gas prices are around $1.90/gallon. Please enlighten me how the average American family is better off.
Also, the GOP wanted to drill in ANWR, which was and remains a bad idea. Jury is still out on the true cost of the tar sands and drilling for shale oil and gas across the Great Plains region. Some of you have short memories. -
Oil is such a blight on the land
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For the 909, this is an undoubtedly an improvement.RaceBannon said:Oil is such a blight on the land
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oh and don't forget what the saudi's increased production* is doing to putin.
* after further review, SA is not increasing production but instead forcing OPEC to hold production at the same levels.
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Oil funds arab/muslims. And oil is about the only natural resource those stone age monkeys control. Strangling the usefulness of that natural resource by replacing it with others strangles arab/muslims. I support strangling arab/muslims.
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That will be contained, cleaned and removed. The desert is ruined and the birds are killed daily by windmills that need oil to be produced and transported here from China.doogsinparadise said:
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Excuse me, what is being imported from China?RaceBannon said:
That will be contained, cleaned and removed. The desert is ruined and the birds are killed daily by windmills that need oil to be produced and transported here from China.doogsinparadise said:
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Well I'm glad that you recognize our economy is inherently damaging to ecosystems. About oil spill cleanup though, it's still largely a crapshoot with even the best funded operations struggling to find successful resolutions; there's still ongoing cleanup from the Valdez spill, twenty-five years later. This explains problems BP had when using dispersants in the Deepwater Horizon spill. adn.com/article/20150118/chemical-dispersants-deserve-critical-examination-alaskansRaceBannon said:
That will be contained, cleaned and removed. The desert is ruined and the birds are killed daily by windmills that need oil to be produced and transported here from China.doogsinparadise said:
But still -
So the question is.....
Do we kill the dolphins or kill the birds?
I vote abundance. Dolphins are not much to eat, birds shit on my car and I like cheap power. -
Deductibles are factored in when comparing insurance costs. Sorry your news source tells you that.HuskyInAZ said:
Deductibles don't show up as insurance costs, turbo. And please clarify where I twisted one single fact (other than December 2008).2001400ex said:
http://zfacts.com/gas-price-history-graphHuskyInAZ said:
Sure, Obama took office in January of 2009. Should BHO take credit for the crash before he was elected? I used December 2008 because it was easy to find EOY gas prices. After digging a bit more, gas prices in January of 2009 were $1.84 per gallon. Doesn't change the fact that none of us pay less for gas today than the day BHO took over the White House.2001400ex said:
Don't be a twister. First, Obama didn't take office is 2008. Second, there was a crash in prices just before took office. The highest gas prices ever were in July of 2008. They spiked then crashed. So stop twisting.HuskyInAZ said:When obama took office in December of 2008, gas prices were around $1.60/gallon. Today, the gas prices are around $1.90/gallon. Please enlighten me how the average American family is better off.
Being the President during the most recent rise and fall of gas prices, yet taking credit for only the fall......typical political BS. That goes for both democrats and republicans.
It's right up there with taking credit for the record number of college graduates, but failing to mention that federal student loans have doubled in the past 6 years. Or proclaiming the virtues of 10 million new insured Americans, yet ignoring the fact that it's on the backs of middle class American's paying for it via skyrocketing deductibles.
And it was $4.38 in July of 2008, like i said you are twisting facts.
Same as you saying deductibles are skyrocketing. Complete bullshit. Insurance costs have increased slower than they have in a long time.
My issue is that all of this healthcare, higher education, etc......it's doing nothing but trying to hide tax increases.
I posted a link that shows exactly how you twisted a fact. Discussing gas prices on the day Obama was inaugurated is silly without taking into account the average price the outdoor few years. I know you'd prefer the 800,000 jobs we were losing a month when Obama took over. But somehow that was Obama's fault too?
Hidden tax increases? Tax increases are pretty transparent. And unless you make over $250k a year, I wouldn't worry about no stinkin tax increases. -
It depends how they're presented and which groups are being evaluated (healthier people vs sicker people).2001400ex said:Deductibles are factored in when comparing insurance costs. Sorry your news source tells you that.
I posted a link that shows exactly how you twisted a fact. Discussing gas prices on the day Obama was inaugurated is silly without taking into account the average price the outdoor few years. I know you'd prefer the 800,000 jobs we were losing a month when Obama took over. But somehow that was Obama's fault too?
Hidden tax increases? Tax increases are pretty transparent. And unless you make over $250k a year, I wouldn't worry about no stinkin tax increases.
Often times, the numbers that people use to compare insurance plans are the monthly premiums, coinsurance and prescription copay rather than deductibles. They look at what they pay each month and what they'll pay each time they see a physician or get a prescription filled. Many don't realize how the plans are structured and many people go for the high deductible plans because the other values are so low. This was observed when people were signing up for the exchanges in the first year, which is favorable for the healthy people (they see the doctor less, have fewer prescriptions) than the sick people (they blow through their deductible, then continue to pay for each visit and prescription). -
Exactly how can deductibles be "factored in"? I know, I know, details. But I'd love to understand. Please enlighten me.2001400ex said:
Deductibles are factored in when comparing insurance costs. Sorry your news source tells you that.HuskyInAZ said:
Deductibles don't show up as insurance costs, turbo. And please clarify where I twisted one single fact (other than December 2008).2001400ex said:
http://zfacts.com/gas-price-history-graphHuskyInAZ said:
Sure, Obama took office in January of 2009. Should BHO take credit for the crash before he was elected? I used December 2008 because it was easy to find EOY gas prices. After digging a bit more, gas prices in January of 2009 were $1.84 per gallon. Doesn't change the fact that none of us pay less for gas today than the day BHO took over the White House.2001400ex said:
Don't be a twister. First, Obama didn't take office is 2008. Second, there was a crash in prices just before took office. The highest gas prices ever were in July of 2008. They spiked then crashed. So stop twisting.HuskyInAZ said:When obama took office in December of 2008, gas prices were around $1.60/gallon. Today, the gas prices are around $1.90/gallon. Please enlighten me how the average American family is better off.
Being the President during the most recent rise and fall of gas prices, yet taking credit for only the fall......typical political BS. That goes for both democrats and republicans.
It's right up there with taking credit for the record number of college graduates, but failing to mention that federal student loans have doubled in the past 6 years. Or proclaiming the virtues of 10 million new insured Americans, yet ignoring the fact that it's on the backs of middle class American's paying for it via skyrocketing deductibles.
And it was $4.38 in July of 2008, like i said you are twisting facts.
Same as you saying deductibles are skyrocketing. Complete bullshit. Insurance costs have increased slower than they have in a long time.
My issue is that all of this healthcare, higher education, etc......it's doing nothing but trying to hide tax increases.
I posted a link that shows exactly how you twisted a fact. Discussing gas prices on the day Obama was inaugurated is silly without taking into account the average price the outdoor few years. I know you'd prefer the 800,000 jobs we were losing a month when Obama took over. But somehow that was Obama's fault too?
Hidden tax increases? Tax increases are pretty transparent. And unless you make over $250k a year, I wouldn't worry about no stinkin tax increases.
How about BHO's gloating about more college graduates than ever. That may be true. But did he mention that federal student debt has doubled under his watch to around $1.2 trillion dollars? Nope. All is good with the world, right? The student loan BS combined with skyrocketing tuition is clearly a tax on young people. If you can't see that, then there's no use debating.
Tax increases are far from transparent. Obamacare and the student loan debacle are clear tax increases on a couple of targeted demographics. -
They try to use comparable plans when calculating health insurance increases. How hard is that to understand? I know your news source likes to spout that talking point, doesn't make it true.HuskyInAZ said:
Exactly how can deductibles be "factored in"? I know, I know, details. But I'd love to understand. Please enlighten me.2001400ex said:
Deductibles are factored in when comparing insurance costs. Sorry your news source tells you that.HuskyInAZ said:
Deductibles don't show up as insurance costs, turbo. And please clarify where I twisted one single fact (other than December 2008).2001400ex said:
http://zfacts.com/gas-price-history-graphHuskyInAZ said:
Sure, Obama took office in January of 2009. Should BHO take credit for the crash before he was elected? I used December 2008 because it was easy to find EOY gas prices. After digging a bit more, gas prices in January of 2009 were $1.84 per gallon. Doesn't change the fact that none of us pay less for gas today than the day BHO took over the White House.2001400ex said:
Don't be a twister. First, Obama didn't take office is 2008. Second, there was a crash in prices just before took office. The highest gas prices ever were in July of 2008. They spiked then crashed. So stop twisting.HuskyInAZ said:When obama took office in December of 2008, gas prices were around $1.60/gallon. Today, the gas prices are around $1.90/gallon. Please enlighten me how the average American family is better off.
Being the President during the most recent rise and fall of gas prices, yet taking credit for only the fall......typical political BS. That goes for both democrats and republicans.
It's right up there with taking credit for the record number of college graduates, but failing to mention that federal student loans have doubled in the past 6 years. Or proclaiming the virtues of 10 million new insured Americans, yet ignoring the fact that it's on the backs of middle class American's paying for it via skyrocketing deductibles.
And it was $4.38 in July of 2008, like i said you are twisting facts.
Same as you saying deductibles are skyrocketing. Complete bullshit. Insurance costs have increased slower than they have in a long time.
My issue is that all of this healthcare, higher education, etc......it's doing nothing but trying to hide tax increases.
I posted a link that shows exactly how you twisted a fact. Discussing gas prices on the day Obama was inaugurated is silly without taking into account the average price the outdoor few years. I know you'd prefer the 800,000 jobs we were losing a month when Obama took over. But somehow that was Obama's fault too?
Hidden tax increases? Tax increases are pretty transparent. And unless you make over $250k a year, I wouldn't worry about no stinkin tax increases.
How about BHO's gloating about more college graduates than ever. That may be true. But did he mention that federal student debt has doubled under his watch to around $1.2 trillion dollars? Nope. All is good with the world, right? The student loan BS combined with skyrocketing tuition is clearly a tax on young people. If you can't see that, then there's no use debating.
Tax increases are far from transparent. Obamacare and the student loan debacle are clear tax increases on a couple of targeted demographics.
And you are repeating right wing talking points. Got any original thoughts? When you discuss student loan debt, why don't you discuss positive in the economy as well? There are plenty is you want to look at them.
Yes, tax increases are transparent. Do you think the republican Congress will let any tax increase go through without bringing up every tax increase? Geez your lack of common sense is amazing. -
I just don't whine and cry abut a product that I use every day and that has been a miracle for mankind but then again I'm not a millennial. The oil industry besides being vital is highly regulated and held accountable for all damage it does. Nothing will ever be fail safe.doogsinparadise said:
Well I'm glad that you recognize our economy is inherently damaging to ecosystems. About oil spill cleanup though, it's still largely a crapshoot with even the best funded operations struggling to find successful resolutions; there's still ongoing cleanup from the Valdez spill, twenty-five years later. This explains problems BP had when using dispersants in the Deepwater Horizon spill. adn.com/article/20150118/chemical-dispersants-deserve-critical-examination-alaskansRaceBannon said:
That will be contained, cleaned and removed. The desert is ruined and the birds are killed daily by windmills that need oil to be produced and transported here from China.doogsinparadise said:
But still
Wind power is an expensive and ugly boondoggle that brings nothing to us but dead birds and ugly landscape.
But still
"our economy is inherently damaging to our ecosystems"
Kill yourself and help the rest of us out -
Wind power. I sure do hate free energy from ugly towers in the middle of no where. You gonna live outside of ellensburg??RaceBannon said:
I just don't whine and cry abut a product that I use every day and that has been a miracle for mankind but then again I'm not a millennial. The oil industry besides being vital is highly regulated and held accountable for all damage it does. Nothing will ever be fail safe.doogsinparadise said:
Well I'm glad that you recognize our economy is inherently damaging to ecosystems. About oil spill cleanup though, it's still largely a crapshoot with even the best funded operations struggling to find successful resolutions; there's still ongoing cleanup from the Valdez spill, twenty-five years later. This explains problems BP had when using dispersants in the Deepwater Horizon spill. adn.com/article/20150118/chemical-dispersants-deserve-critical-examination-alaskansRaceBannon said:
That will be contained, cleaned and removed. The desert is ruined and the birds are killed daily by windmills that need oil to be produced and transported here from China.doogsinparadise said:
But still
Wind power is an expensive and ugly boondoggle that brings nothing to us but dead birds and ugly landscape.
But still
"our economy is inherently damaging to our ecosystems"
Kill yourself and help the rest of us out -
ATTN MODS: I am in favor of adding a minimum IQ level for posting members.2001400ex said:
Deductibles are factored in when comparing insurance costs. Sorry your news source tells you that.HuskyInAZ said:
Deductibles don't show up as insurance costs, turbo. And please clarify where I twisted one single fact (other than December 2008).2001400ex said:
http://zfacts.com/gas-price-history-graphHuskyInAZ said:
Sure, Obama took office in January of 2009. Should BHO take credit for the crash before he was elected? I used December 2008 because it was easy to find EOY gas prices. After digging a bit more, gas prices in January of 2009 were $1.84 per gallon. Doesn't change the fact that none of us pay less for gas today than the day BHO took over the White House.2001400ex said:
Don't be a twister. First, Obama didn't take office is 2008. Second, there was a crash in prices just before took office. The highest gas prices ever were in July of 2008. They spiked then crashed. So stop twisting.HuskyInAZ said:When obama took office in December of 2008, gas prices were around $1.60/gallon. Today, the gas prices are around $1.90/gallon. Please enlighten me how the average American family is better off.
Being the President during the most recent rise and fall of gas prices, yet taking credit for only the fall......typical political BS. That goes for both democrats and republicans.
It's right up there with taking credit for the record number of college graduates, but failing to mention that federal student loans have doubled in the past 6 years. Or proclaiming the virtues of 10 million new insured Americans, yet ignoring the fact that it's on the backs of middle class American's paying for it via skyrocketing deductibles.
And it was $4.38 in July of 2008, like i said you are twisting facts.
Same as you saying deductibles are skyrocketing. Complete bullshit. Insurance costs have increased slower than they have in a long time.
My issue is that all of this healthcare, higher education, etc......it's doing nothing but trying to hide tax increases.
I posted a link that shows exactly how you twisted a fact. Discussing gas prices on the day Obama was inaugurated is silly without taking into account the average price the outdoor few years. I know you'd prefer the 800,000 jobs we were losing a month when Obama took over. But somehow that was Obama's fault too?
Hidden tax increases? Tax increases are pretty transparent. And unless you make over $250k a year, I wouldn't worry about no stinkin tax increases. -
Well I had some hookers and blow while i typed that. Get through a couple autocorrects and you should be able to get the pointsarktastic said:
ATTN MODS: I am in favor of adding a minimum IQ level for posting members.2001400ex said:
Deductibles are factored in when comparing insurance costs. Sorry your news source tells you that.HuskyInAZ said:
Deductibles don't show up as insurance costs, turbo. And please clarify where I twisted one single fact (other than December 2008).2001400ex said:
http://zfacts.com/gas-price-history-graphHuskyInAZ said:
Sure, Obama took office in January of 2009. Should BHO take credit for the crash before he was elected? I used December 2008 because it was easy to find EOY gas prices. After digging a bit more, gas prices in January of 2009 were $1.84 per gallon. Doesn't change the fact that none of us pay less for gas today than the day BHO took over the White House.2001400ex said:
Don't be a twister. First, Obama didn't take office is 2008. Second, there was a crash in prices just before took office. The highest gas prices ever were in July of 2008. They spiked then crashed. So stop twisting.HuskyInAZ said:When obama took office in December of 2008, gas prices were around $1.60/gallon. Today, the gas prices are around $1.90/gallon. Please enlighten me how the average American family is better off.
Being the President during the most recent rise and fall of gas prices, yet taking credit for only the fall......typical political BS. That goes for both democrats and republicans.
It's right up there with taking credit for the record number of college graduates, but failing to mention that federal student loans have doubled in the past 6 years. Or proclaiming the virtues of 10 million new insured Americans, yet ignoring the fact that it's on the backs of middle class American's paying for it via skyrocketing deductibles.
And it was $4.38 in July of 2008, like i said you are twisting facts.
Same as you saying deductibles are skyrocketing. Complete bullshit. Insurance costs have increased slower than they have in a long time.
My issue is that all of this healthcare, higher education, etc......it's doing nothing but trying to hide tax increases.
I posted a link that shows exactly how you twisted a fact. Discussing gas prices on the day Obama was inaugurated is silly without taking into account the average price the outdoor few years. I know you'd prefer the 800,000 jobs we were losing a month when Obama took over. But somehow that was Obama's fault too?
Hidden tax increases? Tax increases are pretty transparent. And unless you make over $250k a year, I wouldn't worry about no stinkin tax increases. -
Have you ever stopped and wondered why you have such deep rooted sexual deviancy and drug problems... and no job... at such a young age?
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Grow up, you naive little POS. I don't get my information from a particular news agency. Nor do I subscribe to a particular political affiliation. I do, though, attempt to plow through the BS to make some sense out of the world we live in.2001400ex said:
They try to use comparable plans when calculating health insurance increases. How hard is that to understand? I know your news source likes to spout that talking point, doesn't make it true.HuskyInAZ said:
Exactly how can deductibles be "factored in"? I know, I know, details. But I'd love to understand. Please enlighten me.2001400ex said:
Deductibles are factored in when comparing insurance costs. Sorry your news source tells you that.HuskyInAZ said:
Deductibles don't show up as insurance costs, turbo. And please clarify where I twisted one single fact (other than December 2008).2001400ex said:
http://zfacts.com/gas-price-history-graphHuskyInAZ said:
Sure, Obama took office in January of 2009. Should BHO take credit for the crash before he was elected? I used December 2008 because it was easy to find EOY gas prices. After digging a bit more, gas prices in January of 2009 were $1.84 per gallon. Doesn't change the fact that none of us pay less for gas today than the day BHO took over the White House.2001400ex said:
Don't be a twister. First, Obama didn't take office is 2008. Second, there was a crash in prices just before took office. The highest gas prices ever were in July of 2008. They spiked then crashed. So stop twisting.HuskyInAZ said:When obama took office in December of 2008, gas prices were around $1.60/gallon. Today, the gas prices are around $1.90/gallon. Please enlighten me how the average American family is better off.
Being the President during the most recent rise and fall of gas prices, yet taking credit for only the fall......typical political BS. That goes for both democrats and republicans.
It's right up there with taking credit for the record number of college graduates, but failing to mention that federal student loans have doubled in the past 6 years. Or proclaiming the virtues of 10 million new insured Americans, yet ignoring the fact that it's on the backs of middle class American's paying for it via skyrocketing deductibles.
And it was $4.38 in July of 2008, like i said you are twisting facts.
Same as you saying deductibles are skyrocketing. Complete bullshit. Insurance costs have increased slower than they have in a long time.
My issue is that all of this healthcare, higher education, etc......it's doing nothing but trying to hide tax increases.
I posted a link that shows exactly how you twisted a fact. Discussing gas prices on the day Obama was inaugurated is silly without taking into account the average price the outdoor few years. I know you'd prefer the 800,000 jobs we were losing a month when Obama took over. But somehow that was Obama's fault too?
Hidden tax increases? Tax increases are pretty transparent. And unless you make over $250k a year, I wouldn't worry about no stinkin tax increases.
How about BHO's gloating about more college graduates than ever. That may be true. But did he mention that federal student debt has doubled under his watch to around $1.2 trillion dollars? Nope. All is good with the world, right? The student loan BS combined with skyrocketing tuition is clearly a tax on young people. If you can't see that, then there's no use debating.
Tax increases are far from transparent. Obamacare and the student loan debacle are clear tax increases on a couple of targeted demographics.
And you are repeating right wing talking points. Got any original thoughts? When you discuss student loan debt, why don't you discuss positive in the economy as well? There are plenty is you want to look at them.
Yes, tax increases are transparent. Do you think the republican Congress will let any tax increase go through without bringing up every tax increase? Geez your lack of common sense is amazing.
Tell me about your health care costs over the past 6 years, assuming you're not still on mommy & daddy's plan. How's that working for ya? And do you have kids in college, living through the cluster fuck of higher education costs?
My guess is that you live in your own little utopia, upstairs in your parents house (the basement is reserved for the HHB crowd), where energy grows on trees, health care is free and $40K in student debt for a 4 year degree is no big deal.
And if you can't see how obamacare and student loans/tuition costs are, at the end of the day, a targeted tax, then I suggest you stay in school and brush up on your learning. -
Well 3 and 4 years ago, I was self employed and through the state plan (not subsidized as I'm over income) for $350 a month, it didn't cover much. I got on a plan with my firm over two years ago, which went up 5% last year and this year didn't go up. We have 4,000 employees so a lot of bargaining power.HuskyInAZ said:
Grow up, you naive little POS. I don't get my information from a particular news agency. Nor do I subscribe to a particular political affiliation. I do, though, attempt to plow through the BS to make some sense out of the world we live in.2001400ex said:
They try to use comparable plans when calculating health insurance increases. How hard is that to understand? I know your news source likes to spout that talking point, doesn't make it true.HuskyInAZ said:
Exactly how can deductibles be "factored in"? I know, I know, details. But I'd love to understand. Please enlighten me.2001400ex said:
Deductibles are factored in when comparing insurance costs. Sorry your news source tells you that.HuskyInAZ said:
Deductibles don't show up as insurance costs, turbo. And please clarify where I twisted one single fact (other than December 2008).2001400ex said:
http://zfacts.com/gas-price-history-graphHuskyInAZ said:
Sure, Obama took office in January of 2009. Should BHO take credit for the crash before he was elected? I used December 2008 because it was easy to find EOY gas prices. After digging a bit more, gas prices in January of 2009 were $1.84 per gallon. Doesn't change the fact that none of us pay less for gas today than the day BHO took over the White House.2001400ex said:
Don't be a twister. First, Obama didn't take office is 2008. Second, there was a crash in prices just before took office. The highest gas prices ever were in July of 2008. They spiked then crashed. So stop twisting.HuskyInAZ said:When obama took office in December of 2008, gas prices were around $1.60/gallon. Today, the gas prices are around $1.90/gallon. Please enlighten me how the average American family is better off.
Being the President during the most recent rise and fall of gas prices, yet taking credit for only the fall......typical political BS. That goes for both democrats and republicans.
It's right up there with taking credit for the record number of college graduates, but failing to mention that federal student loans have doubled in the past 6 years. Or proclaiming the virtues of 10 million new insured Americans, yet ignoring the fact that it's on the backs of middle class American's paying for it via skyrocketing deductibles.
And it was $4.38 in July of 2008, like i said you are twisting facts.
Same as you saying deductibles are skyrocketing. Complete bullshit. Insurance costs have increased slower than they have in a long time.
My issue is that all of this healthcare, higher education, etc......it's doing nothing but trying to hide tax increases.
I posted a link that shows exactly how you twisted a fact. Discussing gas prices on the day Obama was inaugurated is silly without taking into account the average price the outdoor few years. I know you'd prefer the 800,000 jobs we were losing a month when Obama took over. But somehow that was Obama's fault too?
Hidden tax increases? Tax increases are pretty transparent. And unless you make over $250k a year, I wouldn't worry about no stinkin tax increases.
How about BHO's gloating about more college graduates than ever. That may be true. But did he mention that federal student debt has doubled under his watch to around $1.2 trillion dollars? Nope. All is good with the world, right? The student loan BS combined with skyrocketing tuition is clearly a tax on young people. If you can't see that, then there's no use debating.
Tax increases are far from transparent. Obamacare and the student loan debacle are clear tax increases on a couple of targeted demographics.
And you are repeating right wing talking points. Got any original thoughts? When you discuss student loan debt, why don't you discuss positive in the economy as well? There are plenty is you want to look at them.
Yes, tax increases are transparent. Do you think the republican Congress will let any tax increase go through without bringing up every tax increase? Geez your lack of common sense is amazing.
Tell me about your health care costs over the past 6 years, assuming you're not still on mommy & daddy's plan. How's that working for ya? And do you have kids in college, living through the cluster fuck of higher education costs?
My guess is that you live in your own little utopia, upstairs in your parents house (the basement is reserved for the HHB crowd), where energy grows on trees, health care is free and $40K in student debt for a 4 year degree is no big deal.
And if you can't see how obamacare and student loans/tuition costs are, at the end of the day, a targeted tax, then I suggest you stay in school and brush up on your learning.
I mean, my mommy pays for my insurance and I live with my two dads 81% of the time. Yeah in my basement with sweatpants on. And a boner.
And yes, you repeat the exact same shit I hear on fox news, from Rush, and read on web sites like the daily caller. And it's bullshit. You see, you need to go to a variety of sites and make an independent decision. -
You're a fucking dumbshit.2001400ex said:
Well 3 and 4 years ago, I was self employed and through the state plan (not subsidized as I'm over income) for $350 a month, it didn't cover much. I got on a plan with my firm over two years ago, which went up 5% last year and this year didn't go up. We have 4,000 employees so a lot of bargaining power.HuskyInAZ said:
Grow up, you naive little POS. I don't get my information from a particular news agency. Nor do I subscribe to a particular political affiliation. I do, though, attempt to plow through the BS to make some sense out of the world we live in.2001400ex said:
They try to use comparable plans when calculating health insurance increases. How hard is that to understand? I know your news source likes to spout that talking point, doesn't make it true.HuskyInAZ said:
Exactly how can deductibles be "factored in"? I know, I know, details. But I'd love to understand. Please enlighten me.2001400ex said:
Deductibles are factored in when comparing insurance costs. Sorry your news source tells you that.HuskyInAZ said:
Deductibles don't show up as insurance costs, turbo. And please clarify where I twisted one single fact (other than December 2008).2001400ex said:
http://zfacts.com/gas-price-history-graphHuskyInAZ said:
Sure, Obama took office in January of 2009. Should BHO take credit for the crash before he was elected? I used December 2008 because it was easy to find EOY gas prices. After digging a bit more, gas prices in January of 2009 were $1.84 per gallon. Doesn't change the fact that none of us pay less for gas today than the day BHO took over the White House.2001400ex said:
Don't be a twister. First, Obama didn't take office is 2008. Second, there was a crash in prices just before took office. The highest gas prices ever were in July of 2008. They spiked then crashed. So stop twisting.HuskyInAZ said:When obama took office in December of 2008, gas prices were around $1.60/gallon. Today, the gas prices are around $1.90/gallon. Please enlighten me how the average American family is better off.
Being the President during the most recent rise and fall of gas prices, yet taking credit for only the fall......typical political BS. That goes for both democrats and republicans.
It's right up there with taking credit for the record number of college graduates, but failing to mention that federal student loans have doubled in the past 6 years. Or proclaiming the virtues of 10 million new insured Americans, yet ignoring the fact that it's on the backs of middle class American's paying for it via skyrocketing deductibles.
And it was $4.38 in July of 2008, like i said you are twisting facts.
Same as you saying deductibles are skyrocketing. Complete bullshit. Insurance costs have increased slower than they have in a long time.
My issue is that all of this healthcare, higher education, etc......it's doing nothing but trying to hide tax increases.
I posted a link that shows exactly how you twisted a fact. Discussing gas prices on the day Obama was inaugurated is silly without taking into account the average price the outdoor few years. I know you'd prefer the 800,000 jobs we were losing a month when Obama took over. But somehow that was Obama's fault too?
Hidden tax increases? Tax increases are pretty transparent. And unless you make over $250k a year, I wouldn't worry about no stinkin tax increases.
How about BHO's gloating about more college graduates than ever. That may be true. But did he mention that federal student debt has doubled under his watch to around $1.2 trillion dollars? Nope. All is good with the world, right? The student loan BS combined with skyrocketing tuition is clearly a tax on young people. If you can't see that, then there's no use debating.
Tax increases are far from transparent. Obamacare and the student loan debacle are clear tax increases on a couple of targeted demographics.
And you are repeating right wing talking points. Got any original thoughts? When you discuss student loan debt, why don't you discuss positive in the economy as well? There are plenty is you want to look at them.
Yes, tax increases are transparent. Do you think the republican Congress will let any tax increase go through without bringing up every tax increase? Geez your lack of common sense is amazing.
Tell me about your health care costs over the past 6 years, assuming you're not still on mommy & daddy's plan. How's that working for ya? And do you have kids in college, living through the cluster fuck of higher education costs?
My guess is that you live in your own little utopia, upstairs in your parents house (the basement is reserved for the HHB crowd), where energy grows on trees, health care is free and $40K in student debt for a 4 year degree is no big deal.
And if you can't see how obamacare and student loans/tuition costs are, at the end of the day, a targeted tax, then I suggest you stay in school and brush up on your learning.
I mean, my mommy pays for my insurance and I live with my two dads 81% of the time. Yeah in my basement with sweatpants on. And a boner.
And yes, you repeat the exact same shit I hear on fox news, from Rush, and read on web sites like the daily caller. And it's bullshit. You see, you need to go to a variety of sites and make an independent decision.
That's all.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/01/01/middle-class-workers-struggle-to-pay-for-care-despite-insurance/19841235/ -
Reading through your drivel, you are a young, single guy who works for a big company, proud to be on your own. Lemmings unite. But you really are naive. Obamacare and student loans/tuition costs are nothing more than a hypothetical to you. To me, a self-employed married guy with 2 kids in college, those issues are clear as could be. They are both a tax wrapped in political BS.2001400ex said:
Well 3 and 4 years ago, I was self employed and through the state plan (not subsidized as I'm over income) for $350 a month, it didn't cover much. I got on a plan with my firm over two years ago, which went up 5% last year and this year didn't go up. We have 4,000 employees so a lot of bargaining power.HuskyInAZ said:
Grow up, you naive little POS. I don't get my information from a particular news agency. Nor do I subscribe to a particular political affiliation. I do, though, attempt to plow through the BS to make some sense out of the world we live in.2001400ex said:
They try to use comparable plans when calculating health insurance increases. How hard is that to understand? I know your news source likes to spout that talking point, doesn't make it true.HuskyInAZ said:
Exactly how can deductibles be "factored in"? I know, I know, details. But I'd love to understand. Please enlighten me.2001400ex said:
Deductibles are factored in when comparing insurance costs. Sorry your news source tells you that.HuskyInAZ said:
Deductibles don't show up as insurance costs, turbo. And please clarify where I twisted one single fact (other than December 2008).2001400ex said:
http://zfacts.com/gas-price-history-graphHuskyInAZ said:
Sure, Obama took office in January of 2009. Should BHO take credit for the crash before he was elected? I used December 2008 because it was easy to find EOY gas prices. After digging a bit more, gas prices in January of 2009 were $1.84 per gallon. Doesn't change the fact that none of us pay less for gas today than the day BHO took over the White House.2001400ex said:
Don't be a twister. First, Obama didn't take office is 2008. Second, there was a crash in prices just before took office. The highest gas prices ever were in July of 2008. They spiked then crashed. So stop twisting.HuskyInAZ said:When obama took office in December of 2008, gas prices were around $1.60/gallon. Today, the gas prices are around $1.90/gallon. Please enlighten me how the average American family is better off.
Being the President during the most recent rise and fall of gas prices, yet taking credit for only the fall......typical political BS. That goes for both democrats and republicans.
It's right up there with taking credit for the record number of college graduates, but failing to mention that federal student loans have doubled in the past 6 years. Or proclaiming the virtues of 10 million new insured Americans, yet ignoring the fact that it's on the backs of middle class American's paying for it via skyrocketing deductibles.
And it was $4.38 in July of 2008, like i said you are twisting facts.
Same as you saying deductibles are skyrocketing. Complete bullshit. Insurance costs have increased slower than they have in a long time.
My issue is that all of this healthcare, higher education, etc......it's doing nothing but trying to hide tax increases.
I posted a link that shows exactly how you twisted a fact. Discussing gas prices on the day Obama was inaugurated is silly without taking into account the average price the outdoor few years. I know you'd prefer the 800,000 jobs we were losing a month when Obama took over. But somehow that was Obama's fault too?
Hidden tax increases? Tax increases are pretty transparent. And unless you make over $250k a year, I wouldn't worry about no stinkin tax increases.
How about BHO's gloating about more college graduates than ever. That may be true. But did he mention that federal student debt has doubled under his watch to around $1.2 trillion dollars? Nope. All is good with the world, right? The student loan BS combined with skyrocketing tuition is clearly a tax on young people. If you can't see that, then there's no use debating.
Tax increases are far from transparent. Obamacare and the student loan debacle are clear tax increases on a couple of targeted demographics.
And you are repeating right wing talking points. Got any original thoughts? When you discuss student loan debt, why don't you discuss positive in the economy as well? There are plenty is you want to look at them.
Yes, tax increases are transparent. Do you think the republican Congress will let any tax increase go through without bringing up every tax increase? Geez your lack of common sense is amazing.
Tell me about your health care costs over the past 6 years, assuming you're not still on mommy & daddy's plan. How's that working for ya? And do you have kids in college, living through the cluster fuck of higher education costs?
My guess is that you live in your own little utopia, upstairs in your parents house (the basement is reserved for the HHB crowd), where energy grows on trees, health care is free and $40K in student debt for a 4 year degree is no big deal.
And if you can't see how obamacare and student loans/tuition costs are, at the end of the day, a targeted tax, then I suggest you stay in school and brush up on your learning.
I mean, my mommy pays for my insurance and I live with my two dads 81% of the time. Yeah in my basement with sweatpants on. And a boner.
And yes, you repeat the exact same shit I hear on fox news, from Rush, and read on web sites like the daily caller. And it's bullshit. You see, you need to go to a variety of sites and make an independent decision.
As for Fox News, Rush, Daily Caller......I watch Fox News about as often as I watch CNN (rarely), never listened to Rush and have no idea who or what the Daily Caller is. I tend to get news on Google and Yahoo, then dig deeper. And as you know, both of those sites are liberal as hell.
Enlighten me on the "variety of sites" that have shaped your "independent view".
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Fish on.RaceBannon said:
I just don't whine and cry abut a product that I use every day and that has been a miracle for mankind but then again I'm not a millennial. The oil industry besides being vital is highly regulated and held accountable for all damage it does. Nothing will ever be fail safe.doogsinparadise said:
Well I'm glad that you recognize our economy is inherently damaging to ecosystems. About oil spill cleanup though, it's still largely a crapshoot with even the best funded operations struggling to find successful resolutions; there's still ongoing cleanup from the Valdez spill, twenty-five years later. This explains problems BP had when using dispersants in the Deepwater Horizon spill. adn.com/article/20150118/chemical-dispersants-deserve-critical-examination-alaskansRaceBannon said:
That will be contained, cleaned and removed. The desert is ruined and the birds are killed daily by windmills that need oil to be produced and transported here from China.doogsinparadise said:
But still
Wind power is an expensive and ugly boondoggle that brings nothing to us but dead birds and ugly landscape.
But still
"our economy is inherently damaging to our ecosystems"
Kill yourself and help the rest of us out -
So is free power another fish on moment or are you really this stupid?2001400ex said:
Wind power. I sure do hate free energy from ugly towers in the middle of no where. You gonna live outside of ellensburg??RaceBannon said:
I just don't whine and cry abut a product that I use every day and that has been a miracle for mankind but then again I'm not a millennial. The oil industry besides being vital is highly regulated and held accountable for all damage it does. Nothing will ever be fail safe.doogsinparadise said:
Well I'm glad that you recognize our economy is inherently damaging to ecosystems. About oil spill cleanup though, it's still largely a crapshoot with even the best funded operations struggling to find successful resolutions; there's still ongoing cleanup from the Valdez spill, twenty-five years later. This explains problems BP had when using dispersants in the Deepwater Horizon spill. adn.com/article/20150118/chemical-dispersants-deserve-critical-examination-alaskansRaceBannon said:
That will be contained, cleaned and removed. The desert is ruined and the birds are killed daily by windmills that need oil to be produced and transported here from China.doogsinparadise said:
But still
Wind power is an expensive and ugly boondoggle that brings nothing to us but dead birds and ugly landscape.
But still
"our economy is inherently damaging to our ecosystems"
Kill yourself and help the rest of us out
The desert at Palm Springs is hardly the middle of nowhere nor is it ugly. Neither is the land between the 5 and SF. But please keep sharing your wisdom with us. -
I've seen them stacked at the port of Olympia fresh off the boatTheGlove said:
Excuse me, what is being imported from China?RaceBannon said:
That will be contained, cleaned and removed. The desert is ruined and the birds are killed daily by windmills that need oil to be produced and transported here from China.doogsinparadise said:
But still -
Hookers?
