Elite Coaches of the BCS Era (1998-2014) and Year 2
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Soooo... the 2016 season will be special for Michigan?
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Poking at the talent on offense is fair, it looked like crap, but I don't believe Miles is the best QB on the team. This whole year smacks of being a series of teachable moments to the team, part of "the process". Some big names got flushed along the way, and it just felt like the point was to get through to the players, especially those Peterman recruited. Peterman is changing the culture. Expectations are being established and consequences are being doled out.BallSacked said:
I would say not just young, but not very talented either.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Fucking this. They've been young since 2003. Every god damn year most teams take a hit at a position group. It's not like they have bad talent.They didn't have bad talent in 2009 He had his transition year. While expecting a RB is asking a lot, expecting the team to gel isn't.TierbsHsotBoobs said:CHRIST. Really looking forward to exhibition season #12 in a row.
So fucking young.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Miles is probably the best QB. Dwayne Washington the best RB. Pettis the best WR. Entirely new OL. No excuses, that's simply a shit sandwhich of talent to expect a 10 win season from. None of those guys start at half the teams in the Pac12. In Miles Case the over/under is probably 2.5.
Saban wouldn't get 10wins and a Rosebowl out of that group either.
Point is I wouldn't be surprised to see some young talent step up this year and replace more senior players who may not be getting it. Re: Miles, I'm guessing he either shows some miraculous improvement or is replaced, maybe even before the first game. Peterman started Kellen Moore as a redshirt frosh, it wouldn't shock me to see him do the same this year with KJ Vowels and to see a huge jump up in performance at that position.
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Flagged for saying LSU is a "Blue Blood". That's fucking Doog-logic right there. "LSU is elite!!" Hahahaha... no.BallSacked said:The difference here is that CP inherited the worst roster, by far, and he is at a historically just okay recruiting school (relative to SC Florida Ohio St and oklahoma). Save Oregon, those were all "blue-blood" iconic programs they always have a high level of talent.
I believe UW has the fewest returning starters in the Pac12 next year and they appear to have a major QB issue with a brand new OL and DL. That's not a recipe to make a turnaround like those guys listed above did. Carroll in year 2 had a 5th yr senior QB who would go on to win the Heisman.
I think CP will succeed, and retake the North from the ducks eventually, but breaking .500 in 2015 will be a solid effort given what he inherited. If he goes 8-4 or 9-3 I will be impressed.
LSU fucking sucked under DiNardo and even though he recruited decently, it's not really that different than what Sark did.
The myth of LSU being a perennial powerhouse is one of those things that 18 year old kids today think because they've been good since Saban got there, but for the previous, oh, say 30 years, they were not near Washington's level. Or UCLA's.
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Love is a football field.PurpleJ said:Love is a battlefield.
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Great poast.Gladstone said:
Chris Petersen
Washington the previous 3 years: 22-16
Petersen year 1: 8-6, 6th in P12, L in Cactus Bowl
Petersen year 2: ???????????????
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So by looking at the elite coaches that entered a program during the BCS era, it takes a full season and offseason to start to yield success and show signs of greatness. If Petersen is who we hope he is -- then next year will tell us a lot.
I don't see us being great next year, but I do think the doom and gloom is too much. I expect a winning season with a record resembling this year, but better play.
One thing I don't understand about the logic that "we're losing so much" (especially on this bored) is that we all fucking know the players don't matter nearly as much as the coaches. Sure, Shelton is great... sure Shaq was rad, but what did that really get us this year?
We beat the teams we were superior to and lost to the teams we were inferior to. All while playing the shittiest QB I've ever seen start a whole season at UW not named Ronnie Fouch (though, honestly, Fouch was probably better).
I don't see how next year will be any different.
Shelton was Alameda Ta'amu before last year. Shaq was a 'maybe could be awesome' player, Kikaha was inconsistent and Peters was definitely our most consistently dominant player. We kicked him off, got massive production and/or consistency upgrades from the rest of our good players, but it still didn't mean our D was dominant because our back-end were all freshmen and the rest of our players were average.
The coaching matters, a lot. I'm still pretty pro-Pete and I think we will be good next year and then we will start to be REALLY good the year following that.
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Good chit. We've been posting stats like this since Gilby was hired.
Even Rick took over a dumpster fire here and won the Rose Bowl in year 2.
We need to see real results this year and a North division title year 3 or we have the wrong guy
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Solid post, and I couldn't agree more on the QB. Amazing, and totally surprising, in a bad way.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Great poast.Gladstone said:
Chris Petersen
Washington the previous 3 years: 22-16
Petersen year 1: 8-6, 6th in P12, L in Cactus Bowl
Petersen year 2: ???????????????
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So by looking at the elite coaches that entered a program during the BCS era, it takes a full season and offseason to start to yield success and show signs of greatness. If Petersen is who we hope he is -- then next year will tell us a lot.
I don't see us being great next year, but I do think the doom and gloom is too much. I expect a winning season with a record resembling this year, but better play.
One thing I don't understand about the logic that "we're losing so much" (especially on this bored) is that we all fucking know the players don't matter nearly as much as the coaches. Sure, Shelton is great... sure Shaq was rad, but what did that really get us this year?
We beat the teams we were superior to and lost to the teams we were inferior to. All while playing the shittiest QB I've ever seen start a whole season at UW not named Ronnie Fouch (though, honestly, Fouch was probably better).
I don't see how next year will be any different.
Shelton was Alameda Ta'amu before last year. Shaq was a 'maybe could be awesome' player, Kikaha was inconsistent and Peters was definitely our most consistently dominant player. We kicked him off, got massive production and/or consistency upgrades from the rest of our good players, but it still didn't mean our D was dominant because our back-end were all freshmen and the rest of our players were average.
The coaching matters, a lot. I'm still pretty pro-Pete and I think we will be good next year and then we will start to be REALLY good the year following that.
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Fair point. I guess that's the best comp as Dinardo was a zoo and proceeded by a top 5 coach all-time. The rest are blue-bood programs and Oregon, not a fair comparison to Washingtons situation.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Flagged for saying LSU is a "Blue Blood". That's fucking Doog-logic right there. "LSU is elite!!" Hahahaha... no.BallSacked said:The difference here is that CP inherited the worst roster, by far, and he is at a historically just okay recruiting school (relative to SC Florida Ohio St and oklahoma). Save Oregon, those were all "blue-blood" iconic programs they always have a high level of talent.
I believe UW has the fewest returning starters in the Pac12 next year and they appear to have a major QB issue with a brand new OL and DL. That's not a recipe to make a turnaround like those guys listed above did. Carroll in year 2 had a 5th yr senior QB who would go on to win the Heisman.
I think CP will succeed, and retake the North from the ducks eventually, but breaking .500 in 2015 will be a solid effort given what he inherited. If he goes 8-4 or 9-3 I will be impressed.
LSU fucking sucked under DiNardo and even though he recruited decently, it's not really that different than what Sark did.
The myth of LSU being a perennial powerhouse is one of those things that 18 year old kids today think because they've been good since Saban got there, but for the previous, oh, say 30 years, they were not near Washington's level. Or UCLA's.
It would be like if Iowa went on a huge run starting now. Sure, they have some history and they haven't been AWFUL, but they aren't a traditional blue blood.
Oregon while not a blue blood, was at least competently coached by an adult and had massive AD/Nike$ committment to football for nearly 10 years prior to Kelly.
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I'm just going to Doog out a little and say that I'm excited about these guys who haven't played a down:
QB: Magna Carta
LT: McGary
SS: Zeke Turner
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#TeamCartaHFNY said:I'm just going to Doog out a little and say that I'm excited about these guys who haven't played a down:
QB: Magna Carta
LT: McGary
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OL - Sucks
QB - KJR Sammuels or True Freshman or walkon fratboy
RB - Mediocre
WR - pedestrian
TE - Who?
DL - Decent but not Shelton and Kikaha great
LB - Meh, I like Feeny
CB - Good
SS - Ok
Unofficial next years prediction:
official more accurate prediction will be posted closer to the season start
Spring Football Game (Off Season National Champion) - W
@ Boise State (thurs) - L
Sacramento State - W
Utah State - W
Cal - W
BYE week
@ USC (thurs) - L
Oregon - L
@ Stanford - L
Arizona - L
Utah - L
@ ASU - L
@ OSU - W
WSU - W
No Bowl Game
conference: 3-6
Overall: 5-7
finish 10th in the conference ahead of Colorado and WSU
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If it plays out that way, Peterman should be fired Lane Kiffin style on the Sea-Tac tarmac.Houhusky said:Unofficial next years prediction:
official more accurate prediction will be posted closer to the season start
Spring Football Game (Off Season National Champion) - W
@ Boise State (thurs) - L
Sacramento State - W
Utah State - W
Cal - W
BYE week
@ USC (thurs) - L
Oregon - L
@ Stanford - L
Arizona - L
Utah - L
@ ASU - L
@ OSU - W
WSU - W
No Bowl Game
conference: 3-6
Overall: 5-7
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I don't understand the narrative that talent wins games. I know everyone hates Romar (except for me), but one of the doogliest doogy things I've ever heard was 3F saying that Romar inherited a ton of talent...
Uh, all those guys SUCKED until Romar was the coach.
That's what happens under good coaches, mysteriously, the talent looks a lot better.
If you think Boise had 'a ton of talent' you aren't thinking about it right. Everyone has a 'ton of talent' if Boise had a 'ton of talent'. It's just that under CP Boise's players developed to their ceiling.
Like, I don't know, how, say Danny Shelton, Hau'oli Kikahahahahaha, Shaq and others did this season.
If you don't think other people are going to step up next year in a similar way you don't understand the talent/coaching equation.
On this bored we are arguing that talent>coaching? ON THIS FUCKING BORED?!?!?!?
Fucking Doog police should come shoot everyone saying we don't have enough talent to win next year.
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Deserves an Awesome and an Insightful.Dennis_DeYoung said:I don't understand the narrative that talent wins games. I know everyone hates Romar (except for me), but one of the doogliest doogy things I've ever heard was 3F saying that Romar inherited a ton of talent...
Uh, all those guys SUCKED until Romar was the coach.
That's what happens under good coaches, mysteriously, the talent looks a lot better.
If you think Boise had 'a ton of talent' you aren't thinking about it right. Everyone has a 'ton of talent' if Boise had a 'ton of talent'. It's just that under CP Boise's players developed to their ceiling.
Like, I don't know, how, say Danny Shelton, Hau'oli Kikahahahahaha, Shaq and others did this season.
If you don't think other people are going to step up next year in a similar way you don't understand the talent/coaching equation.
On this bored we are arguing that talent>coaching? ON THIS FUCKING BORED?!?!?!?
Fucking Doog police should come shoot everyone saying we don't have enough talent to win next year.
FMFYFE. -
If it is that bad, he is not the guy.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
If it plays out that way, Peterman should be fired Lane Kiffin style on the Sea-Tac tarmac.Houhusky said:Unofficial next years prediction:
official more accurate prediction will be posted closer to the season start
Spring Football Game (Off Season National Champion) - W
@ Boise State (thurs) - L
Sacramento State - W
Utah State - W
Cal - W
BYE week
@ USC (thurs) - L
Oregon - L
@ Stanford - L
Arizona - L
Utah - L
@ ASU - L
@ OSU - W
WSU - W
No Bowl Game
conference: 3-6
Overall: 5-7
finish 10th in the conference ahead of Colorado and WSU
Here's what I'm hoping for
Spring Football Game (Off Season National Champion) - Tie (USC)
@ Boise State (thurs) - L
Sacramento State - W
Utah State - W
Cal - W
BYE week
@ USC (thurs) - L
Oregon - L
@ Stanford - W
Arizona - W
Utah - W
@ ASU - L
@ OSU - W
WSU - W
conference: 6-3
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You have just Swayed me. I have been so accustomed to hoping we just have better talent over the years because our coaches have sucked so bad that I believed the only way to win is to just have as much talent as possible.Dennis_DeYoung said:I don't understand the narrative that talent wins games. I know everyone hates Romar (except for me), but one of the doogliest doogy things I've ever heard was 3F saying that Romar inherited a ton of talent...
Uh, all those guys SUCKED until Romar was the coach.
That's what happens under good coaches, mysteriously, the talent looks a lot better.
If you think Boise had 'a ton of talent' you aren't thinking about it right. Everyone has a 'ton of talent' if Boise had a 'ton of talent'. It's just that under CP Boise's players developed to their ceiling.
Like, I don't know, how, say Danny Shelton, Hau'oli Kikahahahahaha, Shaq and others did this season.
If you don't think other people are going to step up next year in a similar way you don't understand the talent/coaching equation.
On this bored we are arguing that talent>coaching? ON THIS FUCKING BORED?!?!?!?
Fucking Doog police should come shoot everyone saying we don't have enough talent to win next year.
FMFYFE.
It is hard to kick habits, but I needed the reminder you just posted Mr. Dennis. I have been asking for a coach that develops talent for this program and I believe that guy is here now. I still don't think next year is going to be a great year, but I think that I can agree with you now that we probably will have about the same record as last year but show more signs of progress.
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Crisped. (faggoty wink face!)CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
You have just Swayed me. I have been so accustomed to hoping we just have better talent over the years because our coaches have sucked so bad that I believed the only way to win is to just have as much talent as possible.Dennis_DeYoung said:I don't understand the narrative that talent wins games. I know everyone hates Romar (except for me), but one of the doogliest doogy things I've ever heard was 3F saying that Romar inherited a ton of talent...
Uh, all those guys SUCKED until Romar was the coach.
That's what happens under good coaches, mysteriously, the talent looks a lot better.
If you think Boise had 'a ton of talent' you aren't thinking about it right. Everyone has a 'ton of talent' if Boise had a 'ton of talent'. It's just that under CP Boise's players developed to their ceiling.
Like, I don't know, how, say Danny Shelton, Hau'oli Kikahahahahaha, Shaq and others did this season.
If you don't think other people are going to step up next year in a similar way you don't understand the talent/coaching equation.
On this bored we are arguing that talent>coaching? ON THIS FUCKING BORED?!?!?!?
Fucking Doog police should come shoot everyone saying we don't have enough talent to win next year.
FMFYFE.
It is hard to kick habits, but I needed the reminder you just posted Mr. Dennis. I have been asking for a coach that develops talent for this program and I believe that guy is here now. I still don't think next year is going to be a great year, but I think that I can agree with you now that we probably will have about the same record as last year but show more signs of progress.
Thank you, good sir! That isone ofthe most insightful poastsever poasted on this bored. -
Talent + coaching. Of course the coach is most important. Find me teams that break in a new OL, DL, and QB that are really good. A program like Alabama can handle it. A program like UW's? Having returning starters and especially studs matters.Dennis_DeYoung said:I don't understand the narrative that talent wins games. I know everyone hates Romar (except for me), but one of the doogliest doogy things I've ever heard was 3F saying that Romar inherited a ton of talent...
Uh, all those guys SUCKED until Romar was the coach.
That's what happens under good coaches, mysteriously, the talent looks a lot better.
If you think Boise had 'a ton of talent' you aren't thinking about it right. Everyone has a 'ton of talent' if Boise had a 'ton of talent'. It's just that under CP Boise's players developed to their ceiling.
Like, I don't know, how, say Danny Shelton, Hau'oli Kikahahahahaha, Shaq and others did this season.
If you don't think other people are going to step up next year in a similar way you don't understand the talent/coaching equation.
On this bored we are arguing that talent>coaching? ON THIS FUCKING BORED?!?!?!?
Fucking Doog police should come shoot everyone saying we don't have enough talent to win next year.
FMFYFE.
IMO, thinking Petersen is going to work miracles and make a bunch of freshman and sophomores good right away is doog thinking. It takes time.
For fuck's sake, next year the team will start a bunch of young guys and bums like Tufunga, Littleton, Mickens, etc. I don't think we will be 5-7 bad, but we aren't going to be good. -
CHRIST.RoadDawg55 said:
Talent + coaching. Of course the coach is most important. Find me teams that break in a new OL, DL, and QB that are really good. A program like Alabama can handle it. A program like UW's? Having returning starters and especially studs matters.Dennis_DeYoung said:I don't understand the narrative that talent wins games. I know everyone hates Romar (except for me), but one of the doogliest doogy things I've ever heard was 3F saying that Romar inherited a ton of talent...
Uh, all those guys SUCKED until Romar was the coach.
That's what happens under good coaches, mysteriously, the talent looks a lot better.
If you think Boise had 'a ton of talent' you aren't thinking about it right. Everyone has a 'ton of talent' if Boise had a 'ton of talent'. It's just that under CP Boise's players developed to their ceiling.
Like, I don't know, how, say Danny Shelton, Hau'oli Kikahahahahaha, Shaq and others did this season.
If you don't think other people are going to step up next year in a similar way you don't understand the talent/coaching equation.
On this bored we are arguing that talent>coaching? ON THIS FUCKING BORED?!?!?!?
Fucking Doog police should come shoot everyone saying we don't have enough talent to win next year.
FMFYFE.
IMO, thinking Petersen is going to work miracles and make a bunch of freshman and sophomores good right away is doog thinking. It takes time.
For fuck's sake, next year the team will start a bunch of young guys and bums like Tufunga, Littleton, Mickens, etc. I don't think we will be 5-7 bad, but we aren't going to be good. -
All your poast shows me is that you need to read my poast again.RoadDawg55 said:
Talent + coaching. Of course the coach is most important. Find me teams that break in a new OL, DL, and QB that are really good. A program like Alabama can handle it. A program like UW's? Having returning starters and especially studs matters.Dennis_DeYoung said:I don't understand the narrative that talent wins games. I know everyone hates Romar (except for me), but one of the doogliest doogy things I've ever heard was 3F saying that Romar inherited a ton of talent...
Uh, all those guys SUCKED until Romar was the coach.
That's what happens under good coaches, mysteriously, the talent looks a lot better.
If you think Boise had 'a ton of talent' you aren't thinking about it right. Everyone has a 'ton of talent' if Boise had a 'ton of talent'. It's just that under CP Boise's players developed to their ceiling.
Like, I don't know, how, say Danny Shelton, Hau'oli Kikahahahahaha, Shaq and others did this season.
If you don't think other people are going to step up next year in a similar way you don't understand the talent/coaching equation.
On this bored we are arguing that talent>coaching? ON THIS FUCKING BORED?!?!?!?
Fucking Doog police should come shoot everyone saying we don't have enough talent to win next year.
FMFYFE.
IMO, thinking Petersen is going to work miracles and make a bunch of freshman and sophomores good right away is doog thinking. It takes time.
For fuck's sake, next year the team will start a bunch of young guys and bums like Tufunga, Littleton, Mickens, etc. I don't think we will be 5-7 bad, but we aren't going to be good.
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How can we beat Drew Brees in the Rose Bowl with 4 freshmen and redshirt freshmen in the defensive backfield?
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Akbar wasn't a freshmanRaceBannon said:How can we beat Drew Brees in the Rose Bowl with 4 freshmen and redshirt freshmen in the defensive backfield?
. We also had Tui, a great running game, and Purdue's defense sucked. And Bleenor's buddy Joe Tiller was their coach. -
We played a nickel
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For me it boils down to this - I can't say I think Petersen is the guy and that the season is over and we're still the year after next year's team. If he can't develop and recruit we don't want him anyway. I think the 2015 season is real and it should show us far better than the dreck we saw this year. If not, then the year after next probably won't be special anyway
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Case closed.RaceBannon said:For me it boils down to this - I can't say I think Petersen is the guy and that the season is over and we're still the year after next year's team. If he can't develop and recruit we don't want him anyway. I think the 2015 season is real and it should show us far better than the dreck we saw this year. If not, then the year after next probably won't be special anyway
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This is some nice RahRah locker room gang bang dick sucking cheerleader bullshitDennis_DeYoung said:I don't understand the narrative that talent wins games. I know everyone hates Romar (except for me), but one of the doogliest doogy things I've ever heard was 3F saying that Romar inherited a ton of talent...
Uh, all those guys SUCKED until Romar was the coach.
That's what happens under good coaches, mysteriously, the talent looks a lot better.
If you think Boise had 'a ton of talent' you aren't thinking about it right. Everyone has a 'ton of talent' if Boise had a 'ton of talent'. It's just that under CP Boise's players developed to their ceiling.
Like, I don't know, how, say Danny Shelton, Hau'oli Kikahahahahaha, Shaq and others did this season.
If you don't think other people are going to step up next year in a similar way you don't understand the talent/coaching equation.
On this bored we are arguing that talent>coaching? ON THIS FUCKING BORED?!?!?!?
Fucking Doog police should come shoot everyone saying we don't have enough talent to win next year.
FMFYFE.
Coaching can overcome opponents talent, opponents talent can overcome coaching
It takes fucking both to consistently win in this dreckfest Pac12.
It takes years of top tier development to take a guy who didnt get any other offers to play in the pac12 because he sucks and turn him into a valuable starter. Not to mention you are relying on Petermen to develop players whose potential was evaluated by fucking Sark.
Its ok though... I bet all the players are staying this summer to work out, the QBs are putting together 7 on 7 drills every afternoon, every player has talked about the difference between this year and last year, the 17mph treadmills are being warn out and chocolate milk is in high demand.
Next year the raw talent will be worse, the coaching will be the same
UW may improve more than the other pac12 teams during the offseason (closing the gap, doog hopefulness not based in reality or past results) in the future but it wont be enough to overcome the massive gap in talent at nearly every position on the offensive side of the ball and the top players lost on defense this year
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I think Mickens and Littleton could start for most Pac-12 teams TBH. Both have started a bunch of games and been pretty productive (Littleton was more productive in 2013 as a "Rush" end but he's still pretty good).
Tugunga is a JAG but at least he's going to be a RS-SR and has started some games in 2014.
The OL may not be a dreckfest in 2015, especially if McGary doesn't make us forget about Hatchie. Charles is back at LG as a RS-SR and Coleman Shelton should be an upgrade over his RS-Frosh self and Hatchie.
Criste at C was a JAG and Tanigawa (post two ACL surgeries) ended up being a JAG too.
LT: McGary (step back)
LG: RS-SR Dexter Charles (step forward...improvement based off of experience and will probably start more games in 2015)
C: JAG (treading mediocre water...with Tufunga or first year starter in RS-Soph Crane)
RG: JAG (treading mediocre water...Tufunga, RS-JR Brostek, or first year starter in RS-Soph Kirkland or RS-Frosh Sosebee)
RT: RS-Soph Coleman Shelton (step forward...better than his 2014 self and has to be better than Atoe, who the NFL still views as a top 5 pick).
Maybe I'm selling Criste and Tanigawa short but with another year of Strausser and Socha (and getting Ivan up for a few team-building hotdog contests!!1!@!), I can't imagine that the OL will be worse as a whole.
So frankly the OL doesn't even make my top 3 concerns since it was average at best and Miles sucked a lot more than his season stats suggest:
1) where the pass rush is going to come from
2) WR depth (tough enough already to have to rely on 2 true sophs to start in Pettis and Lenius)
3) DL depth (we need Mathis and Qualls to stay healthy)
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Fuck your blueblood shit hillbilly. You SEC faggots can't exclude Oregon from its rightful place at the top so you try to exclude it through your lexicon. Wins are what matter, and Oregon has been racking them up more than any other program in the nation while your 'bluebloods' like Tennessee and Oklahomo are festering in mediocrity.BallSacked said:
Fair point. I guess that's the best comp as Dinardo was a zoo and proceeded by a top 5 coach all-time. The rest are blue-bood programs and Oregon, not a fair comparison to Washingtons situation.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Flagged for saying LSU is a "Blue Blood". That's fucking Doog-logic right there. "LSU is elite!!" Hahahaha... no.BallSacked said:The difference here is that CP inherited the worst roster, by far, and he is at a historically just okay recruiting school (relative to SC Florida Ohio St and oklahoma). Save Oregon, those were all "blue-blood" iconic programs they always have a high level of talent.
I believe UW has the fewest returning starters in the Pac12 next year and they appear to have a major QB issue with a brand new OL and DL. That's not a recipe to make a turnaround like those guys listed above did. Carroll in year 2 had a 5th yr senior QB who would go on to win the Heisman.
I think CP will succeed, and retake the North from the ducks eventually, but breaking .500 in 2015 will be a solid effort given what he inherited. If he goes 8-4 or 9-3 I will be impressed.
LSU fucking sucked under DiNardo and even though he recruited decently, it's not really that different than what Sark did.
The myth of LSU being a perennial powerhouse is one of those things that 18 year old kids today think because they've been good since Saban got there, but for the previous, oh, say 30 years, they were not near Washington's level. Or UCLA's.
It would be like if Iowa went on a huge run starting now. Sure, they have some history and they haven't been AWFUL, but they aren't a traditional blue blood.
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Championships > wins.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Fuck your blueblood shit hillbilly. Wins are what matter, and Oregon has been racking them up more than any other program in the nation while your 'bluebloods' like Tennessee and Oklahomo are festering in mediocrity.BallSacked said:
Fair point. I guess that's the best comp as Dinardo was a zoo and proceeded by a top 5 coach all-time. The rest are blue-bood programs and Oregon, not a fair comparison to Washingtons situation.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Flagged for saying LSU is a "Blue Blood". That's fucking Doog-logic right there. "LSU is elite!!" Hahahaha... no.BallSacked said:The difference here is that CP inherited the worst roster, by far, and he is at a historically just okay recruiting school (relative to SC Florida Ohio St and oklahoma). Save Oregon, those were all "blue-blood" iconic programs they always have a high level of talent.
I believe UW has the fewest returning starters in the Pac12 next year and they appear to have a major QB issue with a brand new OL and DL. That's not a recipe to make a turnaround like those guys listed above did. Carroll in year 2 had a 5th yr senior QB who would go on to win the Heisman.
I think CP will succeed, and retake the North from the ducks eventually, but breaking .500 in 2015 will be a solid effort given what he inherited. If he goes 8-4 or 9-3 I will be impressed.
LSU fucking sucked under DiNardo and even though he recruited decently, it's not really that different than what Sark did.
The myth of LSU being a perennial powerhouse is one of those things that 18 year old kids today think because they've been good since Saban got there, but for the previous, oh, say 30 years, they were not near Washington's level. Or UCLA's.
It would be like if Iowa went on a huge run starting now. Sure, they have some history and they haven't been AWFUL, but they aren't a traditional blue blood.
Oregon while not a blue blood, was at least competently coached by an adult and had massive AD/Nike$ committment to football for nearly 10 years prior to Kelly.
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Oregon is in your division. lol.RaceBannon said:
We need to see real results this year and a North division title year 3 or we have the wrong guy
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