Maybe Peterman is What You Want Helfrich To Be
Yet, under Peterman, this kid rode the pine behind Joe fucking Southwick, who, as you may recall from your games against Boise, sucks.
Boise appeared to be in decline in Peterman's last year on the blue carpet, and his final year was his worst. Yet for whatever reason Grant Hedrick never got the starting nod, and for whatever reason was not "the guy" although his competition at the position was lackluster at best.
After the first few shaky games under Bryan Harsin (Kellen Moore's old QB coach), Hedrick and the Boise offense went on a tear, winning their last nine in a row including the Fiesta Bowel win.
Last night, I saw a Washington team that has seemingly regressed.While Miles had looked better in the some of the latter games of the season, he stumbled around the field like a old hippie looking for kind bud at the Oregon Cuntry Fair last night. Where is the fucking coaching?
Yes, the players are limited in their potential - but you got out-coached and out-hustled by I'm a man I'm 40 and a true freshman. Player of the game was a redneck William "Fridge" Perry. It's fun and a longstanding doog tradition to hate the kids - but there is no indication of player development or motivation - although it looks like whatever Peterman said to the team at halftime helped, I'll give him that.
Increrasingly, I'm led to believe that Peterman's flashy record was the work of his hard-working QB coach and Kellen Moore, the beneficiary of the system in place at Boise that leads to strong results against weaker competition and targeting two or three good teams a year. I'm not seeing a coach that has utilized his talent effectively or built a cohesive team in year one. Agree that it can take some time to do this, but watching Cyler Miles and Grant Hedrick play this bowel season, and I'm not sold on Peterman at all.
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Can't disagree with most of that.
This staff came in with the reputation
of teachers and developers, yet I saw
little, particularly among every offensive
position group. Absolutely no creativity
in the playcalling and the execution was
sloppy. Throw in the total lack of discipline
regarding penalties and you have a coaching
staff who badly underperformed.
At the least, next year identify a fucking offensive
philosophy and go with it. I don't care if it's
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You had me at "he stumbled around the field like a old hippie looking for kind bud at the Oregon Cuntry Fair last night."
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We aren't bashing hippies right?
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I think we are always bashing hippies here
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Well all we know for certain is Boise is still doing what they've been doing since the late 90's and UW is still doing what they've been doing since the late 90's.
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Washington wins a Rose Bowl in two years!Mosster47 said:Well all we know for certain is Boise is still doing what they've been doing since the late 90's and UW is still doing what they've been doing since the late 90's.
Nothing is concrete yet, but it's fair to assume Peterman is a system coach.
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Who gives a fuck what youthink about Petersen duck. Petersen didnt get a heisman qb giftwrapped like Helfrich. Helfrich is Larry fucking CokerAZDuck said:I watched Boise's game against Arizona, and their undersized (6'0") QB took the Wildcat secondary apart. His passes were clean and thrown with good velocity, made good reads and decisions, and he showed the ability to beat the defense with his feet as well as his arm.
Yet, under Peterman, this kid rode the pine behind Joe fucking Southwick, who, as you may recall from your games against Boise, sucks.
Boise appeared to be in decline in Peterman's last year on the blue carpet, and his final year was his worst. Yet for whatever reason Grant Hedrick never got the starting nod, and for whatever reason was not "the guy" although his competition at the position was lackluster at best.
After the first few shaky games under Bryan Harsin (Kellen Moore's old QB coach), Hedrick and the Boise offense went on a tear, winning their last nine in a row including the Fiesta Bowel win.
Last night, I saw a Washington team that has seemingly regressed.While Miles had looked better in the some of the latter games of the season, he stumbled around the field like a old hippie looking for kind bud at the Oregon Cuntry Fair last night. Where is the fucking coaching?
Yes, the players are limited in their potential - but you got out-coached and out-hustled by I'm a man I'm 40 and a true freshman. Player of the game was a redneck William "Fridge" Perry. It's fun and a longstanding doog tradition to hate the kids - but there is no indication of player development or motivation - although it looks like whatever Peterman said to the team at halftime helped, I'll give him that.
Increrasingly, I'm led to believe that Peterman's flashy record was the work of his hard-working QB coach and Kellen Moore, the beneficiary of the system in place at Boise that leads to strong results against weaker competition and targeting two or three good teams a year. I'm not seeing a coach that has utilized his talent effectively or built a cohesive team in year one. Agree that it can take some time to do this, but watching Cyler Miles and Grant Hedrick play this bowel season, and I'm not sold on Peterman at all. -
Just curious, how many UW games did you watch this year?
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Only Helfrich recruited Mariota to Oregon............so theres that.puppylove_sugarsteel said:
Who gives a fuck what youthink about Petersen duck. Petersen didnt get a heisman qb giftwrapped like Helfrich. Helfrich is Larry fucking Coker
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I would go out on a limb and say it is easier to follow one of the top 1% coaches in the history of the PAC than it is to follow Gilby, Willingham, and Sark ... at least in the short run.
It took Oregon 20 years to get here.
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94 to 2001 is 20 years?topdawgnc said:I would go out on a limb and say it is easier to follow one of the top 1% coaches in the history of the PAC than it is to follow Gilby, Willingham, and Sark ... at least in the short run.
It took Oregon 20 years to get here.
This isn't microwave popcorn.
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Agree with this. I certainly didn't expect Peterman to be kicking all kinds of ass and taking names this year. This was a transition year. I also saw lots of improvement during the season, even at QB. I thought Arizona might have been Cyler's best game. I didn't watch the Apple Cup after the first five minutes because it was boring as fuck and late at night.topdawgnc said:I would go out on a limb and say it is easier to follow one of the top 1% coaches in the history of the PAC than it is to follow Gilby, Willingham, and Sark ... at least in the short run.
It took Oregon 20 years to get here.
This isn't microwave popcorn.
But the lack of mental preparation for the bowl game combined with the lack of development of any UW QB to at least "serviceable" is shocking. Then I went back and looked at Boise and how well their RS senior QB developed this year, vice the dreck that was Joe Southwick.
The notion here is that Mariota and the Chip Kelly paint fumes in the building coached Oregon to 13-1. That's bullshit, and I think Helfrich came into his own as a head coach this season after the Arizona game, and I think he's going to do well at Oregon, even after Mariota leaves. Maybe not 13-1 well, but well enough.
OTOH, a big chunk of Peterman's 92-12 record that is so often touted here came while Kellen Moore and Bryan Harsin were with him in Boise. Afterwards, there was a decline, which became pretty steep in his last year, by Boise standards.
You'd think that there would be something you could point to, a win that Washington got where they were outmatched, or a game where the team faced some kind of adversity and overcame it, or some player development at a key position. Didn't really happen. The 5-stars like Kikaha and Shelton played up to their talent, but at key positions like RB and QB, there wasn't anything to show me that coaching has been happening, relative to the coaching hype.
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I'm not sure if I agree with AZDuck or not. It's something to watch. I certainly overrated Petersen's offensive coaching ability and I think Moore and playing patsies may have overrated his ability on that side of the ball.
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I think that rather than W-L totals, I think a guidepost for UW next season will be the emergence of an every-down QB and RB. If all the Sark-recruited QB's suck, then there should at least be some kind of QB controversy.
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So, what you're saying is the real true coach on the staff was Harsin all along?AZDuck said:topdawgnc said:I would go out on a limb and say it is easier to follow one of the top 1% coaches in the history of the PAC than it is to follow Gilby, Willingham, and Sark ... at least in the short run.
It took Oregon 20 years to get here.
This isn't microwave popcorn.
OTOH, a big chunk of Peterman's 92-12 record that is so often touted here came while Kellen Moore and Bryan Harsin were with him in Boise. Afterwards, there was a decline, which became pretty steep in his last year, by Boise standards. -
Not quite. I'm implying that maybe Peterman isn't a good QB talent evaluator, and might have benefited from Kellen Moore in a way similar to how you people think Helfrich benefited from the Chip Kelly paint fumes and Mariota. Harsin seems to have identified and developed the better QB between Southwick and Hedrick, while UW is dead in the water at the position. Harsin was also the QB coach while Kellen Moore was at Boise. Kellen Moore elevated Boise to elite status while he was there.LawDawg1 said:
So, what you're saying is the real true coach on the staff was Harsin all along?AZDuck said:topdawgnc said:I would go out on a limb and say it is easier to follow one of the top 1% coaches in the history of the PAC than it is to follow Gilby, Willingham, and Sark ... at least in the short run.
It took Oregon 20 years to get here.
This isn't microwave popcorn.
OTOH, a big chunk of Peterman's 92-12 record that is so often touted here came while Kellen Moore and Bryan Harsin were with him in Boise. Afterwards, there was a decline, which became pretty steep in his last year, by Boise standards.
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The only thing is Hedrick did play after Southwick was hurt and he played worse than Southwick. Hedrick threw 4 picks against Ole Miss in the opener this year. I think both guys are/were above average. It is somewhat concerning that Boise's offense took off this year with their former OC while we are stuck with a QB coach from a MWC masquerading as the OC at UW.AZDuck said:
Not quite. I'm implying that maybe Peterman isn't a good QB talent evaluator, and might have benefited from Kellen Moore in a way similar to how you people think Helfrich benefited from the Chip Kelly paint fumes and Mariota. Harsin seems to have identified and developed the better QB between Southwick and Hedrick, while UW is dead in the water at the position. Harsin was also the QB coach while Kellen Moore was at Boise. Kellen Moore elevated Boise to elite status while he was there.LawDawg1 said:
So, what you're saying is the real true coach on the staff was Harsin all along?AZDuck said:topdawgnc said:I would go out on a limb and say it is easier to follow one of the top 1% coaches in the history of the PAC than it is to follow Gilby, Willingham, and Sark ... at least in the short run.
It took Oregon 20 years to get here.
This isn't microwave popcorn.
OTOH, a big chunk of Peterman's 92-12 record that is so often touted here came while Kellen Moore and Bryan Harsin were with him in Boise. Afterwards, there was a decline, which became pretty steep in his last year, by Boise standards.
That's not a championship hire. I don't mind a first time OC, but he better at least be a position coach at a school with an explosive offense. -
Pressing. Petersen hasn't had a chance to be a QB evaluator here yet. People here definitely jumped the gun with Helfrich by not LIPO and assuming an assistant coach couldn't take over the keys of a Ferrari.
I am still LIPO with Helfrich because he has an AK-47 in a knife fight with Mariotta... But his recruiting thus far has been pretty fucking solid so it leads me to believe that Oregon will be fine under his wing.
We had players trying to strangle coaches and a bunch of pussies due to dude brahs "what a cool culture man" approach. At leadt Chip left Helfrich with one of the best cultures he constructed over his tenure.
Petersen may very well be a fraud but year 1 of trying to take over this shit slop doesn't hold a lot of weight. As Roaddawg alluded to there are way to many examples of good coaches he had a shitty year 1, 2 or even 3 before really installing their winning brand in the program. Harbaugh went 4-8, 5-7 at Stanford before he had a 8-5 season. Saban was 6-7 his first year at Bama. Todd Graham who people praise around here needed a few years etc.
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Any fucktard can win at Boise. We've learned that over the years.RoadDawg55 said:
The only thing is Hedrick did play after Southwick was hurt and he played worse than Southwick. Hedrick threw 4 picks against Ole Miss in the opener this year. I think both guys are/were above average. It is somewhat concerning that Boise's offense took off this year with their former OC while we are stuck with a QB coach from a MWC masquerading as the OC at UW.AZDuck said:
Not quite. I'm implying that maybe Peterman isn't a good QB talent evaluator, and might have benefited from Kellen Moore in a way similar to how you people think Helfrich benefited from the Chip Kelly paint fumes and Mariota. Harsin seems to have identified and developed the better QB between Southwick and Hedrick, while UW is dead in the water at the position. Harsin was also the QB coach while Kellen Moore was at Boise. Kellen Moore elevated Boise to elite status while he was there.LawDawg1 said:
So, what you're saying is the real true coach on the staff was Harsin all along?AZDuck said:topdawgnc said:I would go out on a limb and say it is easier to follow one of the top 1% coaches in the history of the PAC than it is to follow Gilby, Willingham, and Sark ... at least in the short run.
It took Oregon 20 years to get here.
This isn't microwave popcorn.
OTOH, a big chunk of Peterman's 92-12 record that is so often touted here came while Kellen Moore and Bryan Harsin were with him in Boise. Afterwards, there was a decline, which became pretty steep in his last year, by Boise standards.
That's not a championship hire. I don't mind a first time OC, but he better at least be a position coach at a school with an explosive offense.
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Helfrich and Coker are different. This isnt Chip's roster. Coker took over a returning juggernaut. Other than Fife not being better than Harrington Oregon always comes up with a QB. Mariota is a system QB. Maybe the best ever but not irreplaceable. Rogers replaced Farve and Young replaced Montana.
Helfrich has proved a lot this year. Petersen hasn't. But AZ is also right in that no one was turning uw in one year.
Petersen has to do something next year to give us hope. Like finding a fucking QB that can play. And actually changing the loser culture even if they lose 4 or 5 games again -
Helfrich hasn't proven shit yet. David Shaw won the Pac-12 twice in a row and he sucks.RaceBannon said:Helfrich and Coker are different. This isnt Chip's roster. Coker took over a returning juggernaut. Other than Fife not being better than Harrington Oregon always comes up with a QB. Mariota is a system QB. Maybe the best ever but not irreplaceable. Rogers replaced Farve and Young replaced Montana.
Helfrich has proved a lot this year. Petersen hasn't. But AZ is also right in that no one was turning uw in one year.
Petersen has to do something next year to give us hope. Like finding a fucking QB that can play. And actually changing the loser culture even if they lose 4 or 5 games again -
Shaw didn't make the final
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Peterson is a great {rip} WAC coach, an above average Mtn West Coach, and appears to be over his head in the Pac 12. Time will tell.
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TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Helfrich hasn't proven shit yet. David Shaw won the Pac-12 twice in a row and he sucks.RaceBannon said:Helfrich and Coker are different. This isnt Chip's roster. Coker took over a returning juggernaut. Other than Fife not being better than Harrington Oregon always comes up with a QB. Mariota is a system QB. Maybe the best ever but not irreplaceable. Rogers replaced Farve and Young replaced Montana.
Helfrich has proved a lot this year. Petersen hasn't. But AZ is also right in that no one was turning uw in one year.
Petersen has to do something next year to give us hope. Like finding a fucking QB that can play. And actually changing the loser culture even if they lose 4 or 5 games again
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RaceBannon said:
Helfrich and Coker are different. This isnt Chip's roster. Coker took over a returning juggernaut. Other than Fife not being better than Harrington Oregon always comes up with a QB. Mariota is a system QB. Maybe the best ever but not irreplaceable. Rogers replaced Farve and Young replaced Montana.
Helfrich has proved a lot this year. Petersen hasn't. But AZ is also right in that no one was turning uw in one year.
Petersen has to do something next year to give us hope. Like finding a fucking QB that can play. And actually changing the loser culture even if they lose 4 or 5 games again
I Iike to point to extreme outliers like Montana to Young and Favre to Rodgers as if this happens everyday.
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Can we please put then over his head trope to rest? Smith maybe, but this is the laziest narrative re: Peterman. There is a difference between not knowing how to coach and just making bad decisions.salemcoog said:Peterson is a great {rip} WAC coach, an above average Mtn West Coach, and appears to be over his head in the Pac 12. Time will tell.
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Petersen goes 8-6 with Sark's roster in year 1.
Helfrich makes it to the natty with Chip's roster in year 2.
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All rank speculation at this point, but the "Helfrich is Chip paint fumes + Mariota" routine is lazy. What has Peterman done to improve the program in Seattle to date? If you look at another similar rebuild at Texas, you can see Strong having done a 180 with the defense and cut tons of dead wood even if the team still has a ways to go. UW looks mentally weak, the QB development was atrocious. I find it hard to believe there isn't one serviceable D-1A QB on that roster.haie said:Petersen goes 8-6 with Sark's roster in year 1.
Helfrich makes it to the natty with Chip's roster in year 2.
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I could have listed every Oregon qb since 2007 insteadsalemcoog said:RaceBannon said:Helfrich and Coker are different. This isnt Chip's roster. Coker took over a returning juggernaut. Other than Fife not being better than Harrington Oregon always comes up with a QB. Mariota is a system QB. Maybe the best ever but not irreplaceable. Rogers replaced Farve and Young replaced Montana.
Helfrich has proved a lot this year. Petersen hasn't. But AZ is also right in that no one was turning uw in one year.
Petersen has to do something next year to give us hope. Like finding a fucking QB that can play. And actually changing the loser culture even if they lose 4 or 5 games again
I Iike to point to extreme outliers like Montana to Young and Favre to Rodgers as if this happens everyday.
It's what I like to do.
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If the team had 10 win talent they would have won ten gamessalemcoog said:Peterson is a great {rip} WAC coach, an above average Mtn West Coach, and appears to be over his head in the Pac 12. Time will tell.
But this team had 10 win talent with that schedule and he crashed it into the wall with 6 losses.
Your Division 1 coach is worse than the FCS coach he replaced
But thanks for your input
