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Maybe Peterman is What You Want Helfrich To Be
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94 to 2001 is 20 years?topdawgnc said:I would go out on a limb and say it is easier to follow one of the top 1% coaches in the history of the PAC than it is to follow Gilby, Willingham, and Sark ... at least in the short run.
It took Oregon 20 years to get here.
This isn't microwave popcorn.
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Agree with this. I certainly didn't expect Peterman to be kicking all kinds of ass and taking names this year. This was a transition year. I also saw lots of improvement during the season, even at QB. I thought Arizona might have been Cyler's best game. I didn't watch the Apple Cup after the first five minutes because it was boring as fuck and late at night.topdawgnc said:I would go out on a limb and say it is easier to follow one of the top 1% coaches in the history of the PAC than it is to follow Gilby, Willingham, and Sark ... at least in the short run.
It took Oregon 20 years to get here.
This isn't microwave popcorn.
But the lack of mental preparation for the bowl game combined with the lack of development of any UW QB to at least "serviceable" is shocking. Then I went back and looked at Boise and how well their RS senior QB developed this year, vice the dreck that was Joe Southwick.
The notion here is that Mariota and the Chip Kelly paint fumes in the building coached Oregon to 13-1. That's bullshit, and I think Helfrich came into his own as a head coach this season after the Arizona game, and I think he's going to do well at Oregon, even after Mariota leaves. Maybe not 13-1 well, but well enough.
OTOH, a big chunk of Peterman's 92-12 record that is so often touted here came while Kellen Moore and Bryan Harsin were with him in Boise. Afterwards, there was a decline, which became pretty steep in his last year, by Boise standards.
You'd think that there would be something you could point to, a win that Washington got where they were outmatched, or a game where the team faced some kind of adversity and overcame it, or some player development at a key position. Didn't really happen. The 5-stars like Kikaha and Shelton played up to their talent, but at key positions like RB and QB, there wasn't anything to show me that coaching has been happening, relative to the coaching hype.
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I'm not sure if I agree with AZDuck or not. It's something to watch. I certainly overrated Petersen's offensive coaching ability and I think Moore and playing patsies may have overrated his ability on that side of the ball.
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I think that rather than W-L totals, I think a guidepost for UW next season will be the emergence of an every-down QB and RB. If all the Sark-recruited QB's suck, then there should at least be some kind of QB controversy.
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So, what you're saying is the real true coach on the staff was Harsin all along?AZDuck said:topdawgnc said:I would go out on a limb and say it is easier to follow one of the top 1% coaches in the history of the PAC than it is to follow Gilby, Willingham, and Sark ... at least in the short run.
It took Oregon 20 years to get here.
This isn't microwave popcorn.
OTOH, a big chunk of Peterman's 92-12 record that is so often touted here came while Kellen Moore and Bryan Harsin were with him in Boise. Afterwards, there was a decline, which became pretty steep in his last year, by Boise standards. -
Not quite. I'm implying that maybe Peterman isn't a good QB talent evaluator, and might have benefited from Kellen Moore in a way similar to how you people think Helfrich benefited from the Chip Kelly paint fumes and Mariota. Harsin seems to have identified and developed the better QB between Southwick and Hedrick, while UW is dead in the water at the position. Harsin was also the QB coach while Kellen Moore was at Boise. Kellen Moore elevated Boise to elite status while he was there.LawDawg1 said:
So, what you're saying is the real true coach on the staff was Harsin all along?AZDuck said:topdawgnc said:I would go out on a limb and say it is easier to follow one of the top 1% coaches in the history of the PAC than it is to follow Gilby, Willingham, and Sark ... at least in the short run.
It took Oregon 20 years to get here.
This isn't microwave popcorn.
OTOH, a big chunk of Peterman's 92-12 record that is so often touted here came while Kellen Moore and Bryan Harsin were with him in Boise. Afterwards, there was a decline, which became pretty steep in his last year, by Boise standards.
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The only thing is Hedrick did play after Southwick was hurt and he played worse than Southwick. Hedrick threw 4 picks against Ole Miss in the opener this year. I think both guys are/were above average. It is somewhat concerning that Boise's offense took off this year with their former OC while we are stuck with a QB coach from a MWC masquerading as the OC at UW.AZDuck said:
Not quite. I'm implying that maybe Peterman isn't a good QB talent evaluator, and might have benefited from Kellen Moore in a way similar to how you people think Helfrich benefited from the Chip Kelly paint fumes and Mariota. Harsin seems to have identified and developed the better QB between Southwick and Hedrick, while UW is dead in the water at the position. Harsin was also the QB coach while Kellen Moore was at Boise. Kellen Moore elevated Boise to elite status while he was there.LawDawg1 said:
So, what you're saying is the real true coach on the staff was Harsin all along?AZDuck said:topdawgnc said:I would go out on a limb and say it is easier to follow one of the top 1% coaches in the history of the PAC than it is to follow Gilby, Willingham, and Sark ... at least in the short run.
It took Oregon 20 years to get here.
This isn't microwave popcorn.
OTOH, a big chunk of Peterman's 92-12 record that is so often touted here came while Kellen Moore and Bryan Harsin were with him in Boise. Afterwards, there was a decline, which became pretty steep in his last year, by Boise standards.
That's not a championship hire. I don't mind a first time OC, but he better at least be a position coach at a school with an explosive offense. -
Pressing. Petersen hasn't had a chance to be a QB evaluator here yet. People here definitely jumped the gun with Helfrich by not LIPO and assuming an assistant coach couldn't take over the keys of a Ferrari.
I am still LIPO with Helfrich because he has an AK-47 in a knife fight with Mariotta... But his recruiting thus far has been pretty fucking solid so it leads me to believe that Oregon will be fine under his wing.
We had players trying to strangle coaches and a bunch of pussies due to dude brahs "what a cool culture man" approach. At leadt Chip left Helfrich with one of the best cultures he constructed over his tenure.
Petersen may very well be a fraud but year 1 of trying to take over this shit slop doesn't hold a lot of weight. As Roaddawg alluded to there are way to many examples of good coaches he had a shitty year 1, 2 or even 3 before really installing their winning brand in the program. Harbaugh went 4-8, 5-7 at Stanford before he had a 8-5 season. Saban was 6-7 his first year at Bama. Todd Graham who people praise around here needed a few years etc.
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Any fucktard can win at Boise. We've learned that over the years.RoadDawg55 said:
The only thing is Hedrick did play after Southwick was hurt and he played worse than Southwick. Hedrick threw 4 picks against Ole Miss in the opener this year. I think both guys are/were above average. It is somewhat concerning that Boise's offense took off this year with their former OC while we are stuck with a QB coach from a MWC masquerading as the OC at UW.AZDuck said:
Not quite. I'm implying that maybe Peterman isn't a good QB talent evaluator, and might have benefited from Kellen Moore in a way similar to how you people think Helfrich benefited from the Chip Kelly paint fumes and Mariota. Harsin seems to have identified and developed the better QB between Southwick and Hedrick, while UW is dead in the water at the position. Harsin was also the QB coach while Kellen Moore was at Boise. Kellen Moore elevated Boise to elite status while he was there.LawDawg1 said:
So, what you're saying is the real true coach on the staff was Harsin all along?AZDuck said:topdawgnc said:I would go out on a limb and say it is easier to follow one of the top 1% coaches in the history of the PAC than it is to follow Gilby, Willingham, and Sark ... at least in the short run.
It took Oregon 20 years to get here.
This isn't microwave popcorn.
OTOH, a big chunk of Peterman's 92-12 record that is so often touted here came while Kellen Moore and Bryan Harsin were with him in Boise. Afterwards, there was a decline, which became pretty steep in his last year, by Boise standards.
That's not a championship hire. I don't mind a first time OC, but he better at least be a position coach at a school with an explosive offense.
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Helfrich and Coker are different. This isnt Chip's roster. Coker took over a returning juggernaut. Other than Fife not being better than Harrington Oregon always comes up with a QB. Mariota is a system QB. Maybe the best ever but not irreplaceable. Rogers replaced Farve and Young replaced Montana.
Helfrich has proved a lot this year. Petersen hasn't. But AZ is also right in that no one was turning uw in one year.
Petersen has to do something next year to give us hope. Like finding a fucking QB that can play. And actually changing the loser culture even if they lose 4 or 5 games again
