Washington, Oregon, Ohio State or Stanford?

Honestly right now I would send them to Stanford.

Ohio state is a good degree but just a football factory. Talking to some former players at Utah they didn't exactly enjoy playing for Meyer. Great football coach but it's all about football.

Oregon is an avg degree and a football factory. No thanks when compared.

Uw is a good degree but a mediocre football program. I do like how Petersen stresses academics in the recruiting process. I would put them #2.

I never blame the parents for sending their kids to Stanford.

Stanford, no matter what.

If Junior is good enough to be recruited there and still can't get in (B average), then he's not going to light the academic world on fire anywhere and should thus go to the best football situation. Where that is is a matter of judgement at any point in time.

But if he can get into Stanford, you do that every fucking time.

Trust me. My middle daughter if fucking smart ... like 3.98 full IB, Calculus, two years HL Physics, full year of college level chemistry, etc. etc. smart. SAT scores to match.

She applied, and even with all that is as likely to be rejected as get in. Who am I kidding? More likely to not get in than get in.

D1 athletic recruits have no idea what a lottery ticket it is to be recruited there and get in w/ 3.3 GPA. No fucking idea.

You take that and run every fucking time. Best of both worlds. An Ivy League/MIT/Cal Tech/Elite small college (yes, Middlebury included, you fags) education and big time sports. Stanford is the fucking bomb.

If you did, in fact, play football for UW, take my advice: get over yourself, make it clear to him that his life outside of fb will be unaffected whether he goes to UW, Arizona, Oregon, WSU, Ohio State, Michigan State or any place else. Stanford is a much, much different story. I might assign some of the Stanford ju ju to Michigan and Cal, but they really are not on Furd's level academically or resources-wise.

Ask yourself: why did Barry Sanders send junior to Stanford instead of Oklahoma State?

There's your answer.

AtomicDawg said:

You don't buy the actual academics with your degree. You are buying the network and the corporations that hire from your institution. Some of you need to learn the difference.

That is exactly correct. And, though it will KILL people on this bored to read this, Goldman, JP Morgan, Hedge Funds and other high level companies don't recruit at UW any more than they do at Arizona State.

Where they do recruit is at Stanford, of course, and at the Ivy Leagues, Duke, Vanderbilt and, here's where people are going to shit their pants because they don't want to hear it:

Williams, Amherst, Bowdoin, Wesleyan, Middlebury, Vassar, Washington & Lee, Davidson, Pomona, Claremont McKenna, Wellesley, Harvey Mudd, etc. etc. etc.

So in that sense, it doesn't matter whether you go to UW or Arizona. It really doesn't at the end of the day. I'm saying this as a Washington grad who runs around with all kinds of stereotypes in my head about the typical Zona student.

Of course, if your'e interviewing with a guy from Washington, it's going to be huge. But that's true of any school.

Oh, and b4 anyone says it, of course the big 4 (or whatever the number is now) accounting firms recruit at UW. But, they recruit everywhere, so if that's your goal, then all you need to do is make sure that your school of choice has a business school with an accounting concentration.

Beware, none of the liberal arts colleges I listed does, nor does Stanford (no, Furd does NOT have an undergraduate biz school ... only biz grad school), and none of the Ivies do either - except Cornell may. I don't recall off the top of my head.

But undergraduate business administration is not available at many elite schools. they'll just tell you to check in with Damone and major in econ, which is probably better anyway, but it won't prepare you for the CPA exam.

Just more information from creepy, your resident college advisor.

I'd tell him - It's your choice but Id choose Stanford if I were you.

If he has NFL ability and drive he'll make the NFL just as easily as any other school. But If football doesn't work, or even if it does, Stanford opens more doors than pretty much any other non-Ivy school in the world.

It carries respect and connects you to networks that the other 3 do not.

HeretoBeatmyChest said:

Anyone can be successful going anywhere. If it was me, I'd want to follow in my fathers footsteps. How cool would that be? But you gotta let him make his own choice. Can't go wrong with Petersen. He's a championship football coach who is very highly regarded with the off the field stuff (academics, life lessons, etc).

One word: Go to Stanford.

Dennis_DeYoung said:

Washington. Always. Figure out what you want to do then go to grad school wherever has the best programs.

well, at least you still have your voice.

Tequilla said:

It all really depends on what my kid was looking for.

If he was a kid that wanted to challenge himself academically and was using football as a ticket for the rest of his life, then hard to pass up Stanford.

If he was still up in the air in what he wanted to do outside of football, I would probably recommend Washington as the Washington degree will still open up plenty of doors (both academically and in the business world up and down the West Coast) but also give a good foundation for a possible NFL future (with Petersen).

Oregon and Ohio State are two of the three schools I hate more than any other (Baylor being the third), so it'd be really hard for me to recommend either to my kid. Of the two, I'd have to recommend Ohio State.

You should be advising NOBODY!

It has nothing to do with challenging oneself academically. Jesus do you ever read what you write? Do you honestly think anyone can't challenge themselves academically at any school in the Pac 12?

It isn't about that.

Tequilla said:

creepycoug said:

Tequilla said:

It all really depends on what my kid was looking for.

If he was a kid that wanted to challenge himself academically and was using football as a ticket for the rest of his life, then hard to pass up Stanford.

If he was still up in the air in what he wanted to do outside of football, I would probably recommend Washington as the Washington degree will still open up plenty of doors (both academically and in the business world up and down the West Coast) but also give a good foundation for a possible NFL future (with Petersen).

Oregon and Ohio State are two of the three schools I hate more than any other (Baylor being the third), so it'd be really hard for me to recommend either to my kid. Of the two, I'd have to recommend Ohio State.

You should be advising NOBODY!

It has nothing to do with challenging oneself academically. Jesus do you ever read what you write? Do you honestly think anyone can't challenge themselves academically at any school in the Pac 12?

It isn't about that.

Stanford isn't for everybody. UW isn't either. There are a lot of smart ass people that go to both places.

If you aren't willing to push yourself in the classroom at Stanford, you're going to feel overwhelmed quickly.

Even at the UW, depending on what your major is, you're going to run across a number of brilliant people.

I can't even fathom trying to be an athlete with what one of my majors was in. There were many instances where I was mentally fatigued preparing for tests or doing homework assignments.

you're going to feel overwhelmed at Stanford no matter what. The good news is that they dont' flunk anybody who gets in, and when you have "Stanford" on your resume, nobody asks about your GPA.

the same is not true at Washington, who has about the same smattering of "brilliant" people as most schools in the Pac 12. kids chose schools for a whole lot of reasons, and in-state tuition is a big one.

I think you would be surprised at the median GPA/SAT/ACT deltas between UW and, say, Oregon. Let's just say the gap between them is 1/3 the gap between UW and, say, Cal.

Let it go. It's one thing to take Dennis' position and say, hey, go get your undergrad degree, which isn't that important, and then do well and go to a good grad school. While I don't entirely agree with him, it's a valid point.

Yours isn't. Stanford is a game changer. The rest, including UW, are not.

Everybody goes through school differently. I didn't have the hardest major at UW, nor did I pursue the easiest. I double majored, and I graduated with a pretend high GPA and I didn't work very hard. Other people I knew majoring in Pol Sci worked very hard for mediocre grades. There's no point getting into that.

If fact, if anything, Stanford is the all more clear choice if you're not sure how well you're going to perform. If I'm graduating with a 2.5 GPA, I sure as hell would rather it be from Stanford than UW.

Tequilla said:

I don't disagree with much of what you said.

Stanford is easily the #1 choice. It's not even close. The connections and doors opened by being able to flash Stanford on a resume going forward is priceless. You can be an idiot but if you show up with Stanford tied to your name, most are going to think you're brilliant and will hold that opinion for a few years until they prove to you that you aren't.

Like you, I double majored at the UW as well. I didn't have a terrible or great GPA. Routinely I would punt at least one class a quarter just because I needed the credits to graduate. What I can say though is that the Washington name held a lot for me when it came to getting to grad school at TCU and the scholarship opportunities that I had as a result.

In general, I think the academic reputation of Ohio State is greater than Oregon. You're probably going to be ok with both, but I would think Oregon's is going to be more regional up and down the West Coast. I don't remember running into a lot of people in Texas that had Oregon degrees - far more that would have had UW or Ohio State degrees.

you're going to run into people with Ohio State degrees more often than just about any other school not named Penn State because about 70,000 people go there.

If you go to Oregon and do well, you will get into the same grad schools that you get into by going to UW and doing equally well. In each case, the entrance exam score will matter a lot. There are lots and lots and lots and lots of other schools that will give you more cache than UW. I know people here don't like to hear that, but it's very much the case.

But, it's a good school, and if you take care of your shit there, you'll be able to get in to places. I did well GPA-wise, hit the LSAT on a good day (practice test scores were OK - someone was looking out for me test day) and with pretty much nothing else special about me had all kinds of choices.

Move me to Oregon, Oregon State, WSU or Arizona with the same credentials, and I would have seen the same results.

So, my attitude about it is, go to Stanford. If you don't care enough about your future outside of fb to take advantage of that gift and you're choosing between Oregon, UW and Ohio State, then it really doesn't fucking matter (academically) which one you pick, so make a good football choice if that's what you're doing.

In reality, that's the straight skinny.

Or we can sit around and pretend like we have a degree that impresses the shit out of people.

Doogles said:

What's a degree worth anyway, when you're just going to move into your mom's basement and play with your dingy in sweatpants all day?

Good poont.

EwaDawg said:

creepycoug said:

Stanford, no matter what.

If Junior is good enough to be recruited there and still can't get in (B average), then he's not going to light the academic world on fire anywhere and should thus go to the best football situation. Where that is is a matter of judgement at any point in time.

But if he can get into Stanford, you do that every fucking time.

Trust me. My middle daughter if fucking smart ... like 3.98 full IB, Calculus, two years HL Physics, full year of college level chemistry, etc. etc. smart. SAT scores to match.

She applied, and even with all that is as likely to be rejected as get in. Who am I kidding? More likely to not get in than get in.

D1 athletic recruits have no idea what a lottery ticket it is to be recruited there and get in w/ 3.3 GPA. No fucking idea.

You take that and run every fucking time. Best of both worlds. An Ivy League/MIT/Cal Tech/Elite small college (yes, Middlebury included, you fags) education and big time sports. Stanford is the fucking bomb.

If you did, in fact, play football for UW, take my advice: get over yourself, make it clear to him that his life outside of fb will be unaffected whether he goes to UW, Arizona, Oregon, WSU, Ohio State, Michigan State or any place else. Stanford is a much, much different story. I might assign some of the Stanford ju ju to Michigan and Cal, but they really are not on Furd's level academically or resources-wise.

Ask yourself: why did Barry Sanders send junior to Stanford instead of Oklahoma State?

There's your answer.

Charles. Don't listen to CreepyCUOG. He is just fake. And, he admits it. Please disregard EVERYTHING he said in his posts.

That said - I would send my kid to Stanford if it's not a problem to get admitted.

0regon is the fad of the day. Zero substance beyond about five years of impressive results.

tOSU is where 0regon ends up if they sustain their success.

If your son goes to either of these schools (tOSU or 0regon) he likely gets stereotyped (and hated) by a significant portion of football fandom as 0regon and tOSU have consisently and repeatedly been labeled among the most hated schools (fans) in sports.

OTOH, if your child is an egomaniac - either tOSU or 0regon would be perfect since the fan bases are the some of the most myopic in the country. Think WSU but, you know, consistently good.

UW hasn't been good enough lately to be hated by anyone other than WSU and 0regon fans. But Pete is one of the best coaches in America to play for. Good fall back if Stanford isn't an option.

please tell me this is a whoosh. I would be happy to be whooshed today if it means knowing that nobody is this stupid.

and, yeah, Charles. don't listen to me. listen to the guy who can't spell "coug", even when he's capitalizing it.

btw, Ewa, i think it's been a few more than five years.