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It's really easy to cherry pick stats to the benefit of your argument, especially in baseball where there are way too many.dhdawg said:
Logan MorrisonTequilla said:If I was betting on a player going forward, I'd bet on LoMo before I'd bet on Saunders - particularly for 2015.
2012: 90 wRC+
2013: 96 wRC+
2014: 110 wRC+
Below average defense at 1B
Saunders
2012: 108 wRC+
2013: 100 wRC+
2014 126 wRC+
Above average defense in RF
wRC+ is basically a glorified OPS btw.
Now before you bring up Saunders' injuries, Morrison has never played a 100 game season since 2011. So it's worse than saunders'
There is literally 0 basis for that statement, no matter which way you try to spin it.
And if they had played Saunders down the stretch over Denorfia and Hart. They would've at least been tied with Oakland if not ahead
LoMo played good down the stretch and showed signs of improvement over the course of the season. Saunders isn't a bad player, what people fail to grasp here is Saunders need is less than what Happ currently provides. Mariners are way too think after their starting 5 in the rotation. The plan of bringing in another good bat outfielder is in motion to replace Saunders. Since Saunders is in the doghouse too he would be a 4th option while Happ will be a contributor to the rotation.
Please quit bringing up defensive stats too. The mariners problem for a decade has been abysmal offense. Who gives a shit if Saunders would have made a couple extra catches or thrown a couple extra guys out. The plan is to upgrade the run support of a pretty dominant pitching staff.... Tequilla said it too that this is now a pitchers game and defense is even less of a priority than ever.
No ones going to argue the playing Saunders over Denorfia or Hart argument because it doesn't apply here at all. Of course that would have been better, you would be an idiot to disagree with that. -
There are years of evidence that show Logan Morrison isn't very good. A sample size of half the season, where he was still a below average hitter for a first baseman, isn't enough. Counting on him everyday probably isn't going to turn out well. @ThomasFremont - To your point, I specifically mentioned getting a couple bottom barrel bargain to provide depth for the staff. I realize those pitchers are young and depth is needed.CuntWaffle said:
It's really easy to cherry pick stats to the benefit of your argument, especially in baseball where there are way too many.dhdawg said:
Logan MorrisonTequilla said:If I was betting on a player going forward, I'd bet on LoMo before I'd bet on Saunders - particularly for 2015.
2012: 90 wRC+
2013: 96 wRC+
2014: 110 wRC+
Below average defense at 1B
Saunders
2012: 108 wRC+
2013: 100 wRC+
2014 126 wRC+
Above average defense in RF
wRC+ is basically a glorified OPS btw.
Now before you bring up Saunders' injuries, Morrison has never played a 100 game season since 2011. So it's worse than saunders'
There is literally 0 basis for that statement, no matter which way you try to spin it.
And if they had played Saunders down the stretch over Denorfia and Hart. They would've at least been tied with Oakland if not ahead
LoMo played good down the stretch and showed signs of improvement over the course of the season. Saunders isn't a bad player, what people fail to grasp here is Saunders need is less than what Happ currently provides. Mariners are way too think after their starting 5 in the rotation. The plan of bringing in another good bat outfielder is in motion to replace Saunders. Since Saunders is in the doghouse too he would be a 4th option while Happ will be a contributor to the rotation.
Please quit bringing up defensive stats too. The mariners problem for a decade has been abysmal offense. Who gives a shit if Saunders would have made a couple extra catches or thrown a couple extra guys out. The plan is to upgrade the run support of a pretty dominant pitching staff.... Tequilla said it too that this is now a pitchers game and defense is even less of a priority than ever.
No ones going to argue the playing Saunders over Denorfia or Hart argument because it doesn't apply here at all. Of course that would have been better, you would be an idiot to disagree with that.
For fucks sake, almost every Jack Z trade has sucked. This one will probably be no different. -
Dude, you are an IMA legend in your own mind.Tequilla said:
Those that don't get that are those that probably have never played sports. .dnc said:
If they would have played Saunders down the stretch they would have had that extra win they needed.Tequilla said:That's why you can't look at a single deal without seeing the big picture.
The Mariners were 87-75 last year. Missed the playoffs by a single game.
They scored 2 runs or less in 60 games ... they went 8-52 in those games.
In games they scored 3 or more runs in ... they went 79-23.
You don't need a degree in math to realize that their biggest problem last year was their inability to score runs on a consistent basis. 2 runs or less in 60 games is ridiculous. I get that it's still going to happen 30-40 times per year. But get to 2 runs in those games ... 39 of the 60 games they didn't even do that.
Happ wasn't brought in to be a main part of this rotation. He was brought in to build depth in the rotation to be able to withstand an injury, future trade, lack of performance, etc.
Saunders was a luxury on this team going forward in an area where we really don't need him. Happ will be a luxury on this team going forward in an area where we really don't have others that can do a comparable job.
Those that follow the Mariners can be very myopic at times.
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No doubt that Jack Zs track record is dreck but it doesn't automatically mean that every move he makes is terrible. He went out and got Iwakuma, so while the majority is bad he has pulled out one or two good ones.RoadDawg55 said:
There are years of evidence that show Logan Morrison isn't very good. A sample size of half the season, where he was still a below average hitter for a first baseman, isn't enough. Counting on him everyday probably isn't going to turn out well. @ThomasFremont - To your point, I specifically mentioned getting a couple bottom barrel bargain to provide depth for the staff. I realize those pitchers are young and depth is needed.CuntWaffle said:
It's really easy to cherry pick stats to the benefit of your argument, especially in baseball where there are way too many.dhdawg said:
Logan MorrisonTequilla said:If I was betting on a player going forward, I'd bet on LoMo before I'd bet on Saunders - particularly for 2015.
2012: 90 wRC+
2013: 96 wRC+
2014: 110 wRC+
Below average defense at 1B
Saunders
2012: 108 wRC+
2013: 100 wRC+
2014 126 wRC+
Above average defense in RF
wRC+ is basically a glorified OPS btw.
Now before you bring up Saunders' injuries, Morrison has never played a 100 game season since 2011. So it's worse than saunders'
There is literally 0 basis for that statement, no matter which way you try to spin it.
And if they had played Saunders down the stretch over Denorfia and Hart. They would've at least been tied with Oakland if not ahead
LoMo played good down the stretch and showed signs of improvement over the course of the season. Saunders isn't a bad player, what people fail to grasp here is Saunders need is less than what Happ currently provides. Mariners are way too think after their starting 5 in the rotation. The plan of bringing in another good bat outfielder is in motion to replace Saunders. Since Saunders is in the doghouse too he would be a 4th option while Happ will be a contributor to the rotation.
Please quit bringing up defensive stats too. The mariners problem for a decade has been abysmal offense. Who gives a shit if Saunders would have made a couple extra catches or thrown a couple extra guys out. The plan is to upgrade the run support of a pretty dominant pitching staff.... Tequilla said it too that this is now a pitchers game and defense is even less of a priority than ever.
No ones going to argue the playing Saunders over Denorfia or Hart argument because it doesn't apply here at all. Of course that would have been better, you would be an idiot to disagree with that.
For fucks sake, almost every Jack Z trade has sucked. This one will probably be no different.
LoMo came off an injury riddled season and started off slow and ended well. Much more understandable than starting hot and ending slow. I'm in LIPO with him as he had some clutch hits that won the Mariners some big games down the stretch. His offensive production isn't much worse than Saunders. .261 isn't great but it isn't the dreckfest thing either. Saunders is also slated to be 28 or 29 this year and I think LoMo 25 or 26.
Mariners should still be upgrading one more OF position and Saunders would have fell behind Ackley, Jackson, and whoever they bring in. Cruz also wants to play OF he said as DH is boring so they will be tossing him in some games too. -
Denorfia/Hart played against lefties - Saunders I believe hit just over .200 against them last year. I agree in that I would have preferred Saunders to those options - but it was far from clear cut.
Agree that LoMo has had his injury issues in the past. I like what I saw from him last year - particularly after getting healthy and regular playing time.
If I'm making a bet on next year - my bet would be on LoMo.
Finally, the 1B market is far drier than the OF market - so unless Saunders vs LoMo wasn't close, then you stick w LoMo and move Saunders.
I'm one of the biggest Mariner and Jack Z bashers out there, but I haven't had reason to complain about many of his moves lately. -
Batting average is a shit stat, but since you brought it up Saunders hit .262 against lefties last year.
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Iwakuma was not acquired in a trade. He's mostly made shitty trades. This one will probably be no different. The Lee and Fister trades alone should have gotten him fired. Pineida for Montero. Mike Morse (when he was good) for Langerhans. When has he ever fleeced another GM? His best trades have been equal at best.
http://seattlesportsnet.com/2013/05/28/an-analysis-of-every-mariners-trade-in-the-jack-zduriencik-era/ -
Alex Akita is your source?RoadDawg55 said:Iwakuma was not acquired in a trade. He's mostly made shitty trades. This one will probably be no different. The Lee and Fister trades alone should have gotten him fired. Pineida for Montero. Mike Morse (when he was good) for Langerhans. When has he ever fleeced another GM? His best trades have been equal at best.
http://seattlesportsnet.com/2013/05/28/an-analysis-of-every-mariners-trade-in-the-jack-zduriencik-era/
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I barely even know who Alex Akita is. It just lists the trades Jack Z has made.ThomasFremont said:
Alex Akita is your source?RoadDawg55 said:Iwakuma was not acquired in a trade. He's mostly made shitty trades. This one will probably be no different. The Lee and Fister trades alone should have gotten him fired. Pineida for Montero. Mike Morse (when he was good) for Langerhans. When has he ever fleeced another GM? His best trades have been equal at best.
http://seattlesportsnet.com/2013/05/28/an-analysis-of-every-mariners-trade-in-the-jack-zduriencik-era/
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His brother played college baseball as I recallRoadDawg55 said:
Dude, you are an IMA legend in your own mind.Tequilla said:
Those that don't get that are those that probably have never played sports. .dnc said:
If they would have played Saunders down the stretch they would have had that extra win they needed.Tequilla said:That's why you can't look at a single deal without seeing the big picture.
The Mariners were 87-75 last year. Missed the playoffs by a single game.
They scored 2 runs or less in 60 games ... they went 8-52 in those games.
In games they scored 3 or more runs in ... they went 79-23.
You don't need a degree in math to realize that their biggest problem last year was their inability to score runs on a consistent basis. 2 runs or less in 60 games is ridiculous. I get that it's still going to happen 30-40 times per year. But get to 2 runs in those games ... 39 of the 60 games they didn't even do that.
Happ wasn't brought in to be a main part of this rotation. He was brought in to build depth in the rotation to be able to withstand an injury, future trade, lack of performance, etc.
Saunders was a luxury on this team going forward in an area where we really don't need him. Happ will be a luxury on this team going forward in an area where we really don't have others that can do a comparable job.
Those that follow the Mariners can be very myopic at times.
hth
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