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Where did all the Mora and Jonathan Smith Bashers Go?
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Where did all the Mora and Jonathan Smith Bashers Go?
Just a month ago, Mora was a dunce and Smith was a moron. Now, both look pretty good and all we hear from the critics are crickets, writes Derek Johnson.
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Smith Basher here...soaking up the experience, ready to pounce when Smith awakens me.
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Way too early for Smith reversal praise. Do it against good teams then pop off.
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Uh, we're still here.
I'll give you the Arizona win, but a 2 pt win vs Cal and a 3 pt double ot win vs Colorado do not exactly scream World Beater.
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Smiff still sucks
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Yeah I'm not saying mora is shitty. He just hasn't proven to be elite, and I've seen him shit the bed on GameDay enough to know that won't change.
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Yep, other than a 73% win pct and top 10 ranking in November, he's basically Sark.RavennaDawg said:Uh, we're still here.
I'll give you the Arizona win, but a 2 pt win vs Cal and a 3 pt double ot win vs Colorado do not exactly scream World Beater.
He's still Sark without the Stanford wins. We will see if that changes this week.
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Smith still has a fair bit of work to do.
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I would agree, its too early to say hes doing a good job. I would just also argue that is way too early to completely crucify him, especially with what we offer at QB, RB and WR.jecornel said:Smith still has a fair bit of work to do.
LIFPO. -
After UCLA consecutive games and got boat raced by Oregon
Huh?
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LIPO is always wise advice, but if we always LIPO there wouldn't be much to talk about. Mora seems to have UCLA rolling, but has to FINISH against Stanford this weekend. Another plunger to Oregon in the championship wouldn't look too great either. My sources are saying an implosion is imminent.
Smith still sucks until proven otherwise. These last two weeks were a good start and he now sucks a little less. When the offense sucked, it was hard not to be pissed about hiring a QB coach from a MWC team and wonder if a real coordinator with experience would have made a difference. -
Regarding sling blade, Larry Coker had three very good years at Miami , including a NC, before Miami fell into the crapper. It also helps to have the best Qb in college football as David shaw has found out. Stanford is still decent post luck, but nowhere near what they were. Oregon will still be at least decent, too much talent. well just have to let it play out.
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Sounds like an attempt to divide the fan base
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I said Mora Jr. was a solid, but not spectacular coach. I've argued with HHB's for years over the godlike praise they heap upon him. Beating Sark in the Rose Bowl hasn't changed anything. They were preseason top ten anyway.
I wasn't as hard on (huhuh) Smith as some, but like everybody else said: Start doing it against the top 25 teams. That goes for Miley, CP, Quietkowski and the entire program. At least have a prayer for the God damn North on 11/15. I'm not asking the world here. That said, I don't think play calls cost them a bunch of gaymes. The only one I sort of wonder about is AZ St.
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This. Its FS to think beating OSU makes Smith a top flight OC.Gladstone said:Way too early for Smith reversal praise. Do it against good teams then pop off.
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I would be OK if Smith were to leave for another job.
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I'm right here. I just don't like to bash people after they do good.
I wait to kick them when they're down.
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This is 2014 Doog.Muttzen said:Regarding sling blade, Larry Coker had three very good years at Miami , including a NC, before Miami fell into the crapper. It also helps to have the best Qb in college football as David shaw has found out. Stanford is still decent post luck, but nowhere near what they were. Oregon will still be at least decent, too much talent. well just have to let it play out.
If Hellfrick gets Oregon into the playoff, he will have gone 22-3 over his first two years in the Pac-12 with roughly #20-#25 talent. He's still overachieving if he wins the league. If he doesn't win the Pac-12 with Mariota under center, he should be sliced into bite-sized pieces with an orange chainsaw at the Reser 50 yard line.
Coker had consistently top 5 talent at Miami, and some of the most talented teams ever to play college football. But do you know what really stands out to me about Coker's record at Miami? Here's a clue:
Maybe Hellfucker sucks but the offense looks as good as I've ever seen it. The defense... well, I've commented on that a few times. If he wins the league he's our guy for the foreseeable future so I will get in line.
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Bull shit. Oregon isn't over achieving to win the league. They're the best team with the best talent
The Coker example is a good one. It doesn't mean it will happen. It means it's too early to crown his ass. -
Rick never fielded a team that was higher than #46 SRS. Most years under him UCLA was 50-60. Mora's first year they were #28 and almost beat Stanford in the league title game. Last year they were #8 SRS against the most difficult road schedule possible. Now they are #8 this year. Mora is doing a very good so far.
Regarding Helfrich, history has shown that it can take 4 or even 5 years for these guys to fall off (Coker, Lambo, Solich, Shaw). Helfrich is going to have a really good record and could be there for as much as 6-7 years. He won't feel any heat until Petersen bests him a few times. -
Disagree. UCLA is more talented overall than Oregon, USC's starters are as well. ASU is close to if not equal to Oregon in talent.RaceBannon said:Bull shit. Oregon isn't over achieving to win the league. They're the best team with the best talent
The Coker example is a good one. It doesn't mean it will happen. It means it's too early to crown his ass.
We do have a once-in-a-lifetime QB. One that Hellfrood discovered while he was riding the pine as a junior at St. Louis High. Coker was Dennis Erickson with less hair. Once Miami moved to a more competitive (lol) league they fell off the charts, despite continuing to stockpile top player talent.
Currently there are 37 Ducks in the NFL, compared with 46 Canes, and remember that Miami has been an afterthought for the last 12 or so years.
At some poont you have to start giving a coach their wins. Peterman inherited a successful team at Boise, which he pushed to continued success. Helf is on the verge of doing the same at Oregon. 20-3 is pretty damn impressive in a P5 league. -
AZDuck is kind of going Canard style being so sensitive. All anyone was saying is LIPO. It would be somewhat difficult to completely fuck it up with Mariota at QB. And stop with the bullshit about Helfrich finding Mariota. Sark and UW wanted him pretty badly too.
And you don't have 20-25 talent. It's top 10 with a great system in place. There is a reason you have had a preseason top 5 team the past two seasons. -
Oregon didn't play asu and USC and looked more talented than ucla
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Mariota wanted to be husky, mommy said no way son........you are going to Eugene...
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http://seattletimes.com/html/huskyfootball/2021994096_uwfootball09xml.html
"Mom, I'm going to be a Husky." That's a direct quote from the story. -
Let's get something clear, Road Dogger.RoadDawg55 said:AZDuck is kind of going Canard style being so sensitive. All anyone was saying is LIPO. It would be somewhat difficult to completely fuck it up with Mariota at QB. And stop with the bullshit about Helfrich finding Mariota. Sark and UW wanted him pretty badly too.
And you don't have 20-25 talent. It's top 10 with a great system in place. There is a reason you have had a preseason top 5 team the past two seasons.
I didn't bring up the doog wishful thinking on this thread. And Sark's entire coaching style at Oregon consisted of trying to do what we did and going after recruits that Oregon offered (see, e.g. Tyree and Tyrell Robinson, Tyner, and every other one of our recroots that were hyped as Washington leans on Doogman because Sark told Kim that to generate some "sizzle").“First and foremost, I have family in Seattle,” Mariota said in a phone interview Tuesday afternoon. “I took an unofficial (visit to the UW campus). I was able to meet all the coaches and meet Coach Sark. That was a really cool experience, honestly. I liked Coach Sark. He was very nice; he was very nice to my family.”
http://seattletimes.com/html/huskyfootball/2021994096_uwfootball09xml.html
Mariota attended an Oregon camp in summer 2010. (Another relatively unknown quarterback, Johnny Manziel — the future Heisman Trophy winner who was committed to the Ducks at the time — was at the same camp.) After that, Mariota went to the Washington camp in Seattle, where he was formally recruited by then-UW offensive coordinator Doug Nussmeier.
“He was a fantastic player in camp,” Sarkisian said. “He hadn’t started on his high school football team quite yet, so there was some hesitation on our part, quite honestly, in evaluating him.”
Indeed, Mariota didn’t start at Honolulu’s St. Louis High School until his senior season. Oregon offensive coordinator Mark Helfrich, now in his first season as the successor to Chip Kelly as the UO head coach, was one of the first recruiters to discover Mariota before the quarterback’s senior season.
If you can't see that Manziel committing to UO combined with Mariota taking an unofficial to UW after camping at Oregon gave him cause to consider, all the while Sark was probably proposing to him or some shit, I can't help you.
To the extent that Oregon has top 10 talent, the TBS rankings don't bear that out. I do think that our staff is very good at identifying talent and coaching them up, but that doesn't advance your narrative, so whatever, right? UO outperformed its TBS rankings under Bellotti, under Chipper and still under Hellfinch. That data point doesn't help either, now does it?
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I don't give a fuck about TBS rankings. That's like saying Mariota isn't one of the most talented QB's in the country because he was a 3 star. Freeman is as 5 star as it gets regardless of what he was ranked.
You have been a preseason top 10 team the past two years. That is more relevant to your talent than some fucking rankings of high school players. Helfrich isn't over achieving with 20-25 talent. That's a ridiculously fucking stupid comment. Same with saying ASU, a team that replaced 9 starters on defense last year having equal talent. -
I would argue that NFL alumni is a better overall gauge of the kind of talent a program has had. Again, well behind the Miamis and USCs of the world. Also, a lagging indicator.
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Mommy knows best!
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Fuck you and all who revel in the pain and displeasure of others.Dennis_DeYoung said:I'm right here. I just don't like to bash people after they do good.
I wait to kick them when they're down.
It's easier for everyone that way.
