Where did all the Mora and Jonathan Smith Bashers Go?

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Where did all the Mora and Jonathan Smith Bashers Go?

Just a month ago, Mora was a dunce and Smith was a moron. Now, both look pretty good and all we hear from the critics are crickets, writes Derek Johnson.

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droggins

Smith Basher here...soaking up the experience, ready to pounce when Smith awakens me.

Gladstone

Way too early for Smith reversal praise. Do it against good teams then pop off.

RavennaDawg

Uh, we're still here.

I'll give you the Arizona win, but a 2 pt win vs Cal and a 3 pt double ot win vs Colorado do not exactly scream World Beater.

He's still Sark without the Stanford wins. We will see if that changes this week.

PostGameOrangeSlices

Smiff still sucks

Doogles

Yeah I'm not saying mora is shitty. He just hasn't proven to be elite, and I've seen him shit the bed on GameDay enough to know that won't change.

BallSacked

RavennaDawg said:

Uh, we're still here.

I'll give you the Arizona win, but a 2 pt win vs Cal and a 3 pt double ot win vs Colorado do not exactly scream World Beater.

He's still Sark without the Stanford wins. We will see if that changes this week.

Yep, other than a 73% win pct and top 10 ranking in November, he's basically Sark.

jecornel

Smith still has a fair bit of work to do.

BayDawg

jecornel said:

Smith still has a fair bit of work to do.

I would agree, its too early to say hes doing a good job. I would just also argue that is way too early to completely crucify him, especially with what we offer at QB, RB and WR.

LIFPO.

BennyBeaver

After UCLA consecutive games and got boat raced by Oregon

Huh?

RoadDawg55

LIPO is always wise advice, but if we always LIPO there wouldn't be much to talk about. Mora seems to have UCLA rolling, but has to FINISH against Stanford this weekend. Another plunger to Oregon in the championship wouldn't look too great either. My sources are saying an implosion is imminent.

Smith still sucks until proven otherwise. These last two weeks were a good start and he now sucks a little less. When the offense sucked, it was hard not to be pissed about hiring a QB coach from a MWC team and wonder if a real coordinator with experience would have made a difference.

Muttzen

Regarding sling blade, Larry Coker had three very good years at Miami , including a NC, before Miami fell into the crapper. It also helps to have the best Qb in college football as David shaw has found out. Stanford is still decent post luck, but nowhere near what they were. Oregon will still be at least decent, too much talent. well just have to let it play out.

RaceBannon

Sounds like an attempt to divide the fan base

Fire_Marshall_Bill

I said Mora Jr. was a solid, but not spectacular coach. I've argued with HHB's for years over the godlike praise they heap upon him. Beating Sark in the Rose Bowl hasn't changed anything. They were preseason top ten anyway.

I wasn't as hard on (huhuh) Smith as some, but like everybody else said: Start doing it against the top 25 teams. That goes for Miley, CP, Quietkowski and the entire program. At least have a prayer for the God damn North on 11/15. I'm not asking the world here. That said, I don't think play calls cost them a bunch of gaymes. The only one I sort of wonder about is AZ St.

HoustonHusky

Gladstone said:

Way too early for Smith reversal praise. Do it against good teams then pop off.

This. Its FS to think beating OSU makes Smith a top flight OC.

doogsinparadise

I would be OK if Smith were to leave for another job.

Dennis_DeYoung

I'm right here. I just don't like to bash people after they do good.

I wait to kick them when they're down.

It's easier for everyone that way.

AZDuck

Muttzen said:

Regarding sling blade, Larry Coker had three very good years at Miami , including a NC, before Miami fell into the crapper. It also helps to have the best Qb in college football as David shaw has found out. Stanford is still decent post luck, but nowhere near what they were. Oregon will still be at least decent, too much talent. well just have to let it play out.

This is 2014 Doog.

If Hellfrick gets Oregon into the playoff, he will have gone 22-3 over his first two years in the Pac-12 with roughly #20-#25 talent. He's still overachieving if he wins the league. If he doesn't win the Pac-12 with Mariota under center, he should be sliced into bite-sized pieces with an orange chainsaw at the Reser 50 yard line.

Coker had consistently top 5 talent at Miami, and some of the most talented teams ever to play college football. But do you know what really stands out to me about Coker's record at Miami? Here's a clue:



Maybe Hellfucker sucks but the offense looks as good as I've ever seen it. The defense... well, I've commented on that a few times. If he wins the league he's our guy for the foreseeable future so I will get in line.

RaceBannon

Bull shit. Oregon isn't over achieving to win the league. They're the best team with the best talent

The Coker example is a good one. It doesn't mean it will happen. It means it's too early to crown his ass.

HeretoBeatmyChest

Rick never fielded a team that was higher than #46 SRS. Most years under him UCLA was 50-60. Mora's first year they were #28 and almost beat Stanford in the league title game. Last year they were #8 SRS against the most difficult road schedule possible. Now they are #8 this year. Mora is doing a very good so far.

Regarding Helfrich, history has shown that it can take 4 or even 5 years for these guys to fall off (Coker, Lambo, Solich, Shaw). Helfrich is going to have a really good record and could be there for as much as 6-7 years. He won't feel any heat until Petersen bests him a few times.

AZDuck

RaceBannon said:

Bull shit. Oregon isn't over achieving to win the league. They're the best team with the best talent

The Coker example is a good one. It doesn't mean it will happen. It means it's too early to crown his ass.

Disagree. UCLA is more talented overall than Oregon, USC's starters are as well. ASU is close to if not equal to Oregon in talent.

We do have a once-in-a-lifetime QB. One that Hellfrood discovered while he was riding the pine as a junior at St. Louis High. Coker was Dennis Erickson with less hair. Once Miami moved to a more competitive (lol) league they fell off the charts, despite continuing to stockpile top player talent.

Currently there are 37 Ducks in the NFL, compared with 46 Canes, and remember that Miami has been an afterthought for the last 12 or so years.

At some poont you have to start giving a coach their wins. Peterman inherited a successful team at Boise, which he pushed to continued success. Helf is on the verge of doing the same at Oregon. 20-3 is pretty damn impressive in a P5 league.