I love the Dooging optimism but please be considering:
-Our best road win with an all-time team last year was at Arizona (a very serious Arizona), or at USC which refused to field a defense, or at Beav which was Beav.
-This year we play at Oregon and Penn State which are equal or better than 2023 Arizona. We also play at Iowa which refuses to field an offense but is probably a better team than 2023 USC/Beav. Rutgers is entirely possible to be in the same realm as 2023 USC/Beav.
-Our team is not going to be as good as last year. Michigan won't be a bad team.
Yes those 5 teams are entirely possible to be overhyped but lets not kid ourselves
I love the Dooging optimism but please be considering:
-Our best road win with an all-time team last year was at Arizona (a very serious Arizona), or at USC which refused to field a defense, or at Beav which was Beav.
-This year we play at Oregon and Penn State which are equal or better than 2023 Arizona. We also play at Iowa which refuses to field an offense but is probably a better team than 2023 USC/Beav. Rutgers is entirely possible to be in the same realm as 2023 USC/Beav.
-Our team is not going to be as good as last year. Michigan won't be a bad team.
Yes those 5 teams are entirely possible to be overhyped but lets not kid ourselves.
You can only play what's on the schedule. The only other road games last year were stanfraud and michigan state.
2. There are a lot of possibilities between 10-2 and 5-7 which I don't think are the only two choices available. It will be very hard to go 10-2 but 7-5 or 8-4 not so much.
I could see the team going 5-7 while actually being solid and well-coached. It's college football/sports and bad luck, injuries and bad matchups, etc happen. Last year's team is a good example. They could have been a 14-1 team, but they also could have dropped some stupid games during the season or the first one to the Ducks and injuries played into that. 2019 is another good example. That easily could have been a CFP team but they were tight and got bad breaks and lost five fucking games. It's why fans and coaches of teams that aren't generationally elite (think the most recent Georgia national champions, 2019 LSU) having hubris is so ridiculous.
I certainly wouldn't predict 5-7 though and agree something like 9-3 is more likely. Playing in the Big 10 is a huge unknown though so that makes me much less confident than usual.
I guess that is the point of the thread. New coach, new players, new conference. Who fucking knows? While it takes some blind faith, I like Jedd's track record (until he leaves UW as he will). I think we look good everywhere (depth is problem) except OL and that could become okay over the course of the first 5 (sb) gimmie (maybe not rutgers) games. It feels good to doog again and to actually have company.
This was easily the worst off-season ever. For so many reasons. The older traditional fan is probably done for a lot of schools, not just the Pac 2 people that are being begged to re-up season ticket donations and overpriced apple cup tickets.
It is exciting being in a real conference and I kind of feel bad for Fisch that in terms of generating excitement that came easy for a lot of schools, he's fighting a major uphill battle.
18k for the Spring Game was a good sign though and he did a nice job with the roster overall. He's setting the program up well long term which points to the fact that I don't think he's planning on leaving for a long time. It's not like the NFL just comes begging these college staffs every year. Harbaugh was more of an exception.
The sport is really squeezing out older fans and fans of any program outside of like maybe 10. I think Fisch, and the school to a very small extent is doing the right things, it's just a hard battle to win. Our family isn't going to the Apple Cup. We weren't that excited (for one we just had an Apple Cup 9 months ago) and then saw the prices and it was an official no.
I wouldn't be surprised to see more and more coaches do the Jeff Hafley thing and take an NFL coordinator position over a college head coaching position because college is such a nightmare and they ruined recruiting, and you have pathetic coaches who keep pushing the bar lower for what you have to do.
Unlike DeBoer's wife, I hope that Fisch's wife who obviously has more sway is able to tell him fuck No to any job that isn't a stable one in So Cal/Texas/Florida. Being a coordinator in the NFL is not stable.
I'm not sure that applies to all fan bases. Big-12 fan bases will continue to get the older fans to stay committed. They understand their place in the world and will still support their school and program.
Yeah Fisch doesn’t seem like a guy who would take an NFL coordinator position unless he had to. He’s not a young man. His next stop is NFL head coach or potentially a more highly visible college head coach.
Fair. You've talked me out of it. Fisch also has that country club swinger vibe which makes me think he might actually kind of be into the chase that is college football.
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I love the Dooging optimism but please be considering:
-Our best road win with an all-time team last year was at Arizona (a very serious Arizona), or at USC which refused to field a defense, or at Beav which was Beav.
-This year we play at Oregon and Penn State which are equal or better than 2023 Arizona. We also play at Iowa which refuses to field an offense but is probably a better team than 2023 USC/Beav. Rutgers is entirely possible to be in the same realm as 2023 USC/Beav.
-Our team is not going to be as good as last year. Michigan won't be a bad team.
Yes those 5 teams are entirely possible to be overhyped but lets not kid ourselves
I thought I was kind of a wet blanket. I'm predicting 5-7 after all.
I was referring to your colleague's dooging. I think I had us at 5 losses in the other thread, but I think 7 losses is more likely an outcome than 2.
Not terrified of middling B1G teams
whlindler also said:
I love the Dooging optimism but please be considering:
-Our best road win with an all-time team last year was at Arizona (a very serious Arizona), or at USC which refused to field a defense, or at Beav which was Beav.
-This year we play at Oregon and Penn State which are equal or better than 2023 Arizona. We also play at Iowa which refuses to field an offense but is probably a better team than 2023 USC/Beav. Rutgers is entirely possible to be in the same realm as 2023 USC/Beav.
-Our team is not going to be as good as last year. Michigan won't be a bad team.
Yes those 5 teams are entirely possible to be overhyped but lets not kid ourselves.
2. There are a lot of possibilities between 10-2 and 5-7 which I don't think are the only two choices available. It will be very hard to go 10-2 but 7-5 or 8-4 not so much.
9-3 (imho) is more likely than 5-7.
3. 5-7 is a fireable (on the tarmac) offense.
(FUCK YOU VANILLA)
I could see the team going 5-7 while actually being solid and well-coached. It's college football/sports and bad luck, injuries and bad matchups, etc happen. Last year's team is a good example. They could have been a 14-1 team, but they also could have dropped some stupid games during the season or the first one to the Ducks and injuries played into that. 2019 is another good example. That easily could have been a CFP team but they were tight and got bad breaks and lost five fucking games. It's why fans and coaches of teams that aren't generationally elite (think the most recent Georgia national champions, 2019 LSU) having hubris is so ridiculous.
I certainly wouldn't predict 5-7 though and agree something like 9-3 is more likely. Playing in the Big 10 is a huge unknown though so that makes me much less confident than usual.
I guess that is the point of the thread. New coach, new players, new conference. Who fucking knows? While it takes some blind faith, I like Jedd's track record (until he leaves UW as he will). I think we look good everywhere (depth is problem) except OL and that could become okay over the course of the first 5 (sb) gimmie (maybe not rutgers) games. It feels good to doog again and to actually have company.
I smell fear
Wooley/Derek//Joey: There was a big running back from Iowa…
Me (on a treadmill): Nick Bell.
Wooley/Derek//Joey: I think it was Ricky Bell or Jimmy Bell or Albert Bell…
Me (on a treadmill): It’s Nick Bell!
Wooley/Derek//Joey: I’ll have to google that later. Did he drown in a pool? Mike Bell? Belle and Sebastian??
Me (on a treadmill): It was Nick Bell!!!
It sucks because I know the whole time it wasn’t Ricky Bell but couldn’t get Ricky Bells name out of my head
Couldn't unring the bell
This was easily the worst off-season ever. For so many reasons. The older traditional fan is probably done for a lot of schools, not just the Pac 2 people that are being begged to re-up season ticket donations and overpriced apple cup tickets.
It is exciting being in a real conference and I kind of feel bad for Fisch that in terms of generating excitement that came easy for a lot of schools, he's fighting a major uphill battle.
18k for the Spring Game was a good sign though and he did a nice job with the roster overall. He's setting the program up well long term which points to the fact that I don't think he's planning on leaving for a long time. It's not like the NFL just comes begging these college staffs every year. Harbaugh was more of an exception.
The sport is really squeezing out older fans and fans of any program outside of like maybe 10. I think Fisch, and the school to a very small extent is doing the right things, it's just a hard battle to win. Our family isn't going to the Apple Cup. We weren't that excited (for one we just had an Apple Cup 9 months ago) and then saw the prices and it was an official no.
I wouldn't be surprised to see more and more coaches do the Jeff Hafley thing and take an NFL coordinator position over a college head coaching position because college is such a nightmare and they ruined recruiting, and you have pathetic coaches who keep pushing the bar lower for what you have to do.
Unlike DeBoer's wife, I hope that Fisch's wife who obviously has more sway is able to tell him fuck No to any job that isn't a stable one in So Cal/Texas/Florida. Being a coordinator in the NFL is not stable.
I'm not sure that applies to all fan bases. Big-12 fan bases will continue to get the older fans to stay committed. They understand their place in the world and will still support their school and program.
The middle bar facemask was an awesome look on running backs.
Yeah Fisch doesn’t seem like a guy who would take an NFL coordinator position unless he had to. He’s not a young man. His next stop is NFL head coach or potentially a more highly visible college head coach.
Fair. You've talked me out of it. Fisch also has that country club swinger vibe which makes me think he might actually kind of be into the chase that is college football.
good pod, pods.