Thoughts on Fisch & Staying Long
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Napiers buyout is huge. Like 30 million huge. Florida is pretty loaded but not aTm loaded. They have a massive commitment to non revenue sports. They compete at a high level in everything. They have dead money wrapped up in other coaches, the buyout for Napier and the buyout for Fisch may not even be doable for a program like Florida. Something is rotten in The Swamp and no one they bring in can overcome it. Mullen, an Urban disciple, got MSU to 11 wins. That's almost impossible. Napier was seen as a can't miss coach. The build he did at Louisiana was impressive and sustained over a three year period. Both of those coaches have failed or are failing spectacularly. I wouldn't touch Florida, its toxic. I wouldn't expect Fisch to move on for any job for at least three or four years unless he gets UW back to the Semi Finals and at that point it's worth the skin.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:
Just twatted this but if Florida fires Napier, it’ll be at or before the end of the season and if Fisch takes it, it’ll be early in the cycle so UW won’t be in the same precarious situation.AEB said:1) The buyout will be huge if he leaves, and the net difference between the two for the next coach will be beneficial to the department like it was with KDB. He only leaves if he’s winning, too.
2) Expect a raise and extension going into Year 3. If he is who we want him to be, after Year 2 he’ll be due for a raise and extension as UW starts to get a full share from the B1G.
The two year point will once again be huge. He’ll either leave and UW gets paid and can source another coach, or he gets a raise and stays 7-10 years. Many of our financial challenges improve once we get a full share, and therefore that’s timeframe.
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AccurateFireTheJanitor said:
Higher than David Shaw’sthechatch said:What’s his buyout?
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Inaccuratedirtysouwfdawg said:
Eleventy hundred million dollars.thechatch said:What’s his buyout?
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@DerekJohnson I agree. My broader point was not to worry about an early departure as the outcomes in many cases skew UWs way favorably (excepting @GrundleStiltzkin point on what if he sucks?).DerekJohnson said:
How about the idea that Washington has the qualities to be a destination school so long as the administration continues its newfound commitment to winning and that Seattle doesn't allow the next CHAZ to take root outside of Husky Stadium.GrundleStiltzkin said:
@AEB made a good poont above, the Florida thing was just part of his hustle. Fisch never played football there or anywhere. So it's not Florida alone weº have to worry about, it's Florida and all other jobs perceived to be above Warshington.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:
Just twatted this but if Florida fires Napier, it’ll be at or before the end of the season and if Fisch takes it, it’ll be early in the cycle so UW won’t be in the same precarious situation.AEB said:1) The buyout will be huge if he leaves, and the net difference between the two for the next coach will be beneficial to the department like it was with KDB. He only leaves if he’s winning, too.
2) Expect a raise and extension going into Year 3. If he is who we want him to be, after Year 2 he’ll be due for a raise and extension as UW starts to get a full share from the B1G.
The two year point will once again be huge. He’ll either leave and UW gets paid and can source another coach, or he gets a raise and stays 7-10 years. Many of our financial challenges improve once we get a full share, and therefore that’s timeframe.
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It seems like we're wringing our hands over so many variables when the guy hasn't even coached a game yet.
I think UW is close to being a destination evidenced by the fact we hired arguably “best available” within 48 hours after losing our coach to the best CF program.
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Fisch is from New Jersey there’s nothing about Seattle or it’s politics that are going to bother him. lolAEB said:
@DerekJohnson I agree. My broader point was not to worry about an early departure as the outcomes in many cases skew UWs way favorably (excepting @GrundleStiltzkin point on what if he sucks?).DerekJohnson said:
How about the idea that Washington has the qualities to be a destination school so long as the administration continues its newfound commitment to winning and that Seattle doesn't allow the next CHAZ to take root outside of Husky Stadium.GrundleStiltzkin said:
@AEB made a good poont above, the Florida thing was just part of his hustle. Fisch never played football there or anywhere. So it's not Florida alone weº have to worry about, it's Florida and all other jobs perceived to be above Warshington.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:
Just twatted this but if Florida fires Napier, it’ll be at or before the end of the season and if Fisch takes it, it’ll be early in the cycle so UW won’t be in the same precarious situation.AEB said:1) The buyout will be huge if he leaves, and the net difference between the two for the next coach will be beneficial to the department like it was with KDB. He only leaves if he’s winning, too.
2) Expect a raise and extension going into Year 3. If he is who we want him to be, after Year 2 he’ll be due for a raise and extension as UW starts to get a full share from the B1G.
The two year point will once again be huge. He’ll either leave and UW gets paid and can source another coach, or he gets a raise and stays 7-10 years. Many of our financial challenges improve once we get a full share, and therefore that’s timeframe.
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It seems like we're wringing our hands over so many variables when the guy hasn't even coached a game yet.
I think UW is close to being a destination evidenced by the fact we hired arguably “best available” within 48 hours after losing our coach to the best CF program.
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The Florida job will be probably be open before their 11/30/24 game with FSU. They’re not finishing better than 6-6. Whether or not Fisch wants it is the only unknown. Napier is dead HC walking.theknowledge said:
Napiers buyout is huge. Like 30 million huge. Florida is pretty loaded but not aTm loaded. They have a massive commitment to non revenue sports. They compete at a high level in everything. They have dead money wrapped up in other coaches, the buyout for Napier and the buyout for Fisch may not even be doable for a program like Florida. Something is rotten in The Swamp and no one they bring in can overcome it. Mullen, an Urban disciple, got MSU to 11 wins. That's almost impossible. Napier was seen as a can't miss coach. The build he did at Louisiana was impressive and sustained over a three year period. Both of those coaches have failed or are failing spectacularly. I wouldn't touch Florida, its toxic. I wouldn't expect Fisch to move on for any job for at least three or four years unless he gets UW back to the Semi Finals and at that point it's worth the skin.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:
Just twatted this but if Florida fires Napier, it’ll be at or before the end of the season and if Fisch takes it, it’ll be early in the cycle so UW won’t be in the same precarious situation.AEB said:1) The buyout will be huge if he leaves, and the net difference between the two for the next coach will be beneficial to the department like it was with KDB. He only leaves if he’s winning, too.
2) Expect a raise and extension going into Year 3. If he is who we want him to be, after Year 2 he’ll be due for a raise and extension as UW starts to get a full share from the B1G.
The two year point will once again be huge. He’ll either leave and UW gets paid and can source another coach, or he gets a raise and stays 7-10 years. Many of our financial challenges improve once we get a full share, and therefore that’s timeframe.
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Are we sure Fisch really even covets the Florida job?
It seems like he deliberately went there to try to get on board with Spurrier and work his way up the coaching profession any way he could, not because he has some specific affinity for Florida. He seems like a general ladder climber like DeBoer, not a Florida Guy, per se. -
In order of importance for the next 12 months
- Bringing Fajita and Mcmillen
- Bringing the good half the Zona roster
- Hiring good assistants
- Salvaging what is possible from the UW roster
- finding 3-5 bigger fisch in the portal
- Starting the season 5-0
- recruiting and portal fisching well during season
- Finishing the season strong
- Win 9+ games
- Building momentum into the next year
- Get guys to buy in and come back for another season
- Clean up anything that needs to be cleaned up in the off season
- Being worried that another team wants to pay UW 30+ mil because he is a good coach they want
- Bringing Fajita and Mcmillen
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Ya I'd say he goes to the NFL before Florida if he's successful.Miley_Cyrus said:Are we sure Fisch really even covets the Florida job?
It seems like he deliberately went there to try to get on board with Spurrier and work his way up the coaching profession any way he could, not because he has some specific affinity for Florida. He seems like a general ladder climber like DeBoer, not a Florida Guy, per se. -
Thanks tits Cohen!BleachedAnusDawg said:We won't be at a full revenue share for another 6 years.
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I think this is spot on. Besides, Florida is not Georgia or Alabama. They think they are, but they aren't. They had great runs under Spurrier and Meyer. Outside of that, they've been mostly a mid to upper mid tier SEC team. in fact, when Miami and FSU were serious, UF was just the other team from Florida, even though the school is far larger than either Miami or FSU.Miley_Cyrus said:Are we sure Fisch really even covets the Florida job?
It seems like he deliberately went there to try to get on board with Spurrier and work his way up the coaching profession any way he could, not because he has some specific affinity for Florida. He seems like a general ladder climber like DeBoer, not a Florida Guy, per se.
Anyway, if Fisch is successful, given his resume, which contains many NFL stops, (including the SeaHawks), I believe he will climb to the NFL as a HC. As has been mentioned, he's from New Jersey. College Football means fuck all there. The Giants and the Jets, that's where it's at. NFL baby. -
All of the "longevity" talk makes me laff...Coaches are hired to be fired, and they know it, now more than ever. They are gonna cash out, as many times as they can. The opportunities for the brass ring are few and far between, and there is usually no second shot. Is it even a negotiation?..."Mr. Fishpo, we would like to give you a massive salary bump, and offer you the top resources in the industry"...
I don't know if Fischpo will bolt for FLA in a couple years...I may be dead in a couple years. I'll ride with whoever is driving...let it rip...
https://youtu.be/4i4TF4QY96E?si=mJJ5DobJwKdiauAy
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It’s easier maff in SC, hard math in NC.AEB said:
They teach Maff down there?dirtysouwfdawg said:
Eleventy hundred million dollars.thechatch said:What’s his buyout?
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Good point, bout time we got back to hiring metrosexualsWilburHooksHands said:he’s the first hire of “this type of guy” we’ve made since neuheisel. I don’t think we knew sark was that kind of guy.
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Disagree. BONEMHouhusky said:In order of importance for the next 12 months
- Bringing Fajita and Mcmillen
- Bringing the good half the Zona roster
- Hiring good assistants
- Salvaging what is possible from the UW roster
- finding 3-5 bigger fisch in the portal
- Starting the season 5-0
- recruiting and portal fisching well during season
- Finishing the season strong
- Win 9+ games
- Building momentum into the next year
- Get guys to buy in and come back for another season
- Clean up anything that needs to be cleaned up in the off season
- Being worried that another team wants to pay UW 30+ mil because he is a good coach they want
- Bringing Fajita and Mcmillen
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I know no one is concerned about Fisch leaving yet but this is playing with fire to leave the buyout this low....
I appreciate UW going for it... but the leaving buyout should be at least double and the termination buyout halved. -
Nope. There are some really tiny increases in our Big 10 share starting around year 3 that might push us up to something like a 50.5% share in year 3 and a 52%ish share by year 6. Or maybe our slightly increased money is just increasing at the same rate that the other Big 10 member's share is increasing in the (probably somewhat backloaded) TV deal. I've seen the specifics of our Big 10 share before, but I kind of forget exactly how it works. But, in any case, it's basically a 50% share for 6 years.AEB said:Delete thread. I thought it was two.
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I think we get an extra $1m per year from the B1G deal until 2030, at which point we get full share. Until then, we can borrow against future earnings as well.
Re: the buyout, I don’t think it matters. It’s pretty high for two years and if he’s worth a shit, he’ll need a pay increase (and therefore a re-negotiation) at that point anyway. -
Fucking morons. 12 mill and below is chump change to blue bloods/NFL. And if we? fire him w/out cause for being a total disaster, we? owe him 85% of his remaining salary. Good job guys! JFC. This program is enough to drive you insane.Houhusky said:I know no one is concerned about Fisch leaving yet but this is playing with fire to leave the buyout this low....
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That’s not high at all. If Florida comes calling next season, he’s gone and we’re back at square one.DoogerMcFarland said:I think we get an extra $1m per year from the B1G deal until 2030, at which point we get full share. Until then, we can borrow against future earnings as well.
Re: the buyout, I don’t think it matters. It’s pretty high for two years and if he’s worth a shit, he’ll need a pay increase (and therefore a re-negotiation) at that point anyway.
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ffs, Bama just paid a $12,000,000 buyout. ADs need to start tying the buyout to the total value of the contract. We'll pay you $1,000,000 more per year but your buyout is 50% of the contract. You can even be HONEST about it. Hey we want to make it as toxic as possible for another progrum to hire you away because we love you. We're willing to pay a premium but you need to agree to this buyout.Houhusky said:I know no one is concerned about Fisch leaving yet but this is playing with fire to leave the buyout this low....
I appreciate UW going for it... but the leaving buyout should be at least double and the termination buyout halved.
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They really need to make buy-outs variable based on record/performance, and who is paying it.dtd said:
ffs, Bama just paid a $12,000,000 buyout. ADs need to start tying the buyout to the total value of the contract. We'll pay you $1,000,000 more per year but your buyout is 50% of the contract. You can even be HONEST about it. Hey we want to make it as toxic as possible for another progrum to hire you away because we love you. We're willing to pay a premium but you need to agree to this buyout.
- If leaving for Power 4 conf, buyout is 2x, if record is over .750, buyout is 3x
- If performance is below .500, Buyout = Winning % x Stated Buyout.
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How would Sexton get his cut??
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That fat fuk doesn't need cuts of anything.coach_pete_JPG said:How would Sexton get his cut??
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Something, ANYTHING.Postal91 said:
They really need to make buy-outs variable based on record/performance, and who is paying it.dtd said:
ffs, Bama just paid a $12,000,000 buyout. ADs need to start tying the buyout to the total value of the contract. We'll pay you $1,000,000 more per year but your buyout is 50% of the contract. You can even be HONEST about it. Hey we want to make it as toxic as possible for another progrum to hire you away because we love you. We're willing to pay a premium but you need to agree to this buyout.
- If leaving for Power 4 conf, buyout is 2x, if record is over .750, buyout is 3x
- If performance is below .500, Buyout = Winning % x Stated Buyout.
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Just little cuts. Cutlets.Postal91 said:
That fat fuk doesn't need cuts of anything.coach_pete_JPG said:How would Sexton get his cut??
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Yup. College football coaches are no longer LTR material. It’s a FWB situation.Fishpo31 said:All of the "longevity" talk makes me laff...Coaches are hired to be fired, and they know it, now more than ever. They are gonna cash out, as many times as they can. The opportunities for the brass ring are few and far between, and there is usually no second shot. Is it even a negotiation?..."Mr. Fishpo, we would like to give you a massive salary bump, and offer you the top resources in the industry"...
I don't know if Fischpo will bolt for FLA in a couple years...I may be dead in a couple years. I'll ride with whoever is driving...let it rip...https://youtu.be/4i4TF4QY96E?si=mJJ5DobJwKdiauAy
They show up, bring all their friends to the party. You have fun. Both of you know what the deal is. If it ends, no hard feelings.
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Miami paid NINE MILLION DOLLARS for MARIO FUCKING CRYSTABALLZ TWO YEARS AGO!
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Buyout and contract can always be redone
