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  • NeGgaPlEaSe
    NeGgaPlEaSe Member Posts: 5,763
    YellowSnow said:

    Looks like we're down to 27 x 4 Stars "In Progress"

    https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/

    Only Clempson has won the whole thing in the CFP era with less than the magic number or 40 (they had 39 in 2016).

    TCU has 17 last year. I don't recall were Oregon was in 2014 but it was low 30's, right?

    Can UW be the first to do it with well below 40? We had 21 in 2016 including 4 star QB Jake Browning.

    Don’t forget about the two 5 stars that left the team. How can UW survive without them
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  • DoogmanRefund
    DoogmanRefund Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 1,015 Swaye's Wigwam
    WoolleyDoog said:

    DoogmanRefund said:

    YellowSnow said:

    DoogmanRefund said:

    YellowSnow said:



    PineapplePirate said:

    I used to think I understood recruiting and star rankings but I just don’t. I’ve given up.

    I can't tell the difference between 3 and 4 stars anymore.

    And I assume any 5 star we get (from WA state) will probably suck.
    Was Reggie Williams the last 5 star who went to UW and actually played like one?
    Shaq was and generally played like one. I think Reggie was.
    Shaq played like one. Good call. Those teams were mostly forgettable. Could have used him during the Manu/Wellington era.
    Shaq and Reggie are the only clearcut 5-5 guys signed by UW. Was ASJ a 5 star in the end? If so I think he can be added.

    Instate during recruiting rankings I feel like a lot haven't panned out or at least underwhelmed:

    Heaps - Bust. Original JT Daniels.
    Max Browne - Massive bust
    Eason - Underwhelmed.
    Jonathan Stewart - 5*-5*
    Reggie - 5*-5*
    Emeka - 5*-5*
    Kavario - Bust
    ASJ - 5*-5* but still kind of underwhelming
    Schilling - 5*-4*
    Garnett - 5*-5* I guess but I'll stand by that he was kind of just decent and McCaffrey was making plays and with Stanford's OLine pedigree at the time he slotted into a bunch of accolades then Chipper reached for him like way before anyone else would have.
    Sarrell - underwhelmed big time
    Taylor Mays - 5*-5*
    JTT - Jury is out. Let's see how the next 1-2 years actually go
    Sam Huard - Yikes fucking yikes - has there ever been a five star recruit and that high of a five star who ended up in FCS, and that quickly?
    Smalls - More yikes - can't crack the two deeps on Colorado's atrocious Line

    Locker and Budda should have been 5*-5*s
    Completely forgot ASJ.
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,313 Founders Club
    NeGgaPlEaSe said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Looks like we're down to 27 x 4 Stars "In Progress"

    https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/

    Only Clempson has won the whole thing in the CFP era with less than the magic number or 40 (they had 39 in 2016).

    TCU has 17 last year. I don't recall were Oregon was in 2014 but it was low 30's, right?

    Can UW be the first to do it with well below 40? We had 21 in 2016 including 4 star QB Jake Browning.

    Don’t forget about the two 5 stars that left the team. How can UW survive without them
    Well, technically speaking, this metric is about 4/5 start croots.
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  • Baseman
    Baseman Member Posts: 12,369
    Canadawg said:

    Baseman said:

    This is pro-football. Hth.

    The portal>recruiting. Never would have thought it would have come to this but here we are, Recruit the top kids, keep in touch if they sign somewhere else. Roster mgmt.

    Penix, Muhammad, Bernard (took him back). Keep winning and there will be more kids--college game ready--desirous to plug in with winning coaches.

    Looks like we're getting top WRs. Huff's recruits--hard working athletes--keep the QB upright. Defensively the coaches have upgraded where needed.

    We still need better players across the bored but don't see the holes --LB, QB, and most of the time WRS-- the Peterman (FTG) teams had

    You want as many good players from all avenues. Saying that the portal is more important is unsustainable. Coaches knowing what their next season is going to look like for getting a couple of players is much more realistic than every single year hoping they hit perfect in the portal.

    Two kicks at the can > one
    So, we still need better players across the bored?
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  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    jesus....are we really impressed with their star?
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  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    penis is a 6 star QB....last generational QB was Tui
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  • Joey
    Joey Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,275 Founders Club
    WoolleyDoog said:

    DoogmanRefund said:

    YellowSnow said:

    DoogmanRefund said:

    YellowSnow said:



    PineapplePirate said:

    I used to think I understood recruiting and star rankings but I just don’t. I’ve given up.

    I can't tell the difference between 3 and 4 stars anymore.

    And I assume any 5 star we get (from WA state) will probably suck.
    Was Reggie Williams the last 5 star who went to UW and actually played like one?
    Shaq was and generally played like one. I think Reggie was.
    Shaq played like one. Good call. Those teams were mostly forgettable. Could have used him during the Manu/Wellington era.
    Shaq and Reggie are the only clearcut 5-5 guys signed by UW. Was ASJ a 5 star in the end? If so I think he can be added.

    Instate during recruiting rankings I feel like a lot haven't panned out or at least underwhelmed:

    Heaps - Bust. Original JT Daniels.
    Max Browne - Massive bust
    Eason - Underwhelmed.
    Jonathan Stewart - 5*-5*
    Reggie - 5*-5*
    Emeka - 5*-5*
    Kavario - Bust
    ASJ - 5*-5* but still kind of underwhelming
    Schilling - 5*-4*
    Garnett - 5*-5* I guess but I'll stand by that he was kind of just decent and McCaffrey was making plays and with Stanford's OLine pedigree at the time he slotted into a bunch of accolades then Chipper reached for him like way before anyone else would have.
    Sarrell - underwhelmed big time
    Taylor Mays - 5*-5*
    JTT - Jury is out. Let's see how the next 1-2 years actually go
    Sam Huard - Yikes fucking yikes - has there ever been a five star recruit and that high of a five star who ended up in FCS, and that quickly?
    Smalls - More yikes - can't crack the two deeps on Colorado's atrocious Line

    Locker and Budda should have been 5*-5*s
    Not an in state guy but another 5* guy UW landed was Donny Mateaki and he played the equivalent of Cameron Elisaras career which was like a a Damian Turpin career
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  • PostGameOrangeSlices
    PostGameOrangeSlices Member Posts: 27,214
    I personally am a fan of the 2019 skwaad that was loaded with DDY 4s and DDY cum

    Great fucking sqwaad
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  • Southerndawg
    Southerndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,346 Founders Club
    edited September 2023
    FireCohen said:

    penis is a 6 star QB....last generational QB was Tui

    The portal has completely changed the game. Saban hates the portal for exactly this reason. I remember a time before scholarship limits when schools like Alabama would use excess scholarships to take kids off the street, basically cut out the competition. Can't do anything remotely close to that now. Now, a school like UW can instantly grow a 6 star Penis. Good times I say.

    Edit: By the way, the best player to ever play at UW, IMHO, was Stan Empterman. That guy was a fucking beast and a number one overall NFL draft pick. As a D Lineman. And as we all know, he was a three star recruit!!!!111111!!! Stars matter to some degree, fuck you up kick ass on the field eye test play matters more.
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,313 Founders Club
    Southerndawg said:

    FireCohen said:

    penis is a 6 star QB....last generational QB was Tui

    The portal has completely changed the game. Saban hates the portal for exactly this reason. I remember a time before scholarship limits when schools like Alabama would use excess scholarships to take kids off the street, basically cut out the competition. Can't do anything remotely close to that now. Now, a school like UW can instantly grow a 6 star Penis. Good times I say.
    What’s bad for Satan is good for America.
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  • Southerndawg
    Southerndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,346 Founders Club
    YellowSnow said:

    Southerndawg said:

    FireCohen said:

    penis is a 6 star QB....last generational QB was Tui

    The portal has completely changed the game. Saban hates the portal for exactly this reason. I remember a time before scholarship limits when schools like Alabama would use excess scholarships to take kids off the street, basically cut out the competition. Can't do anything remotely close to that now. Now, a school like UW can instantly grow a 6 star Penis. Good times I say.
    What’s bad for Satan is good for America.
    Agree
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  • Southerndawg
    Southerndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,346 Founders Club
    RaceBannon said:

    Florida State played 17 transfers, Clemson 0

    This is college football

    If you get REAL 5 stars out of high school there is a far greater chance you will lose them in the portal. What if UW had a stud 5 star freshman receiver this year - he'd be gone after never seeing the field

    I actually do trust DeBoer to do both and do both well. But I think Portal acquisition is more important

    Couldn't agree with this more.
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  • Canadawg
    Canadawg Member Posts: 5,336
    Once you actually see what a player looks like in a college game all the conjecture about how good they could be (the star ratings) becomes moot pretty quick.

    Jacob Bandes is a good example of someone who was ranked high as a 4* but we have ample evidence that he is a middling quality player. Tybo is the opposite.
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  • LawDawg1
    LawDawg1 Member Posts: 3,942
    Even Weaver?
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  • theknowledge
    theknowledge Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,637 Founders Club
    Canadawg said:

    wobidbus said:

    YellowSnow said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    We have something the 5 star factories don't: Big Penix Energy!

    If we win the Pac 12 and make it the Natty game, it will be the biggest indictment of TBS cult in human history.
    If we win the Pac 12 and make it to the Natty game, Boner will have his pick of the portal and the high school recruiting should level up more than enough.

    TCU is finally up to Rutgers and Maryland levels!


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  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    Southerndawg said:

    FireCohen said:

    penis is a 6 star QB....last generational QB was Tui

    The portal has completely changed the game. Saban hates the portal for exactly this reason. I remember a time before scholarship limits when schools like Alabama would use excess scholarships to take kids off the street, basically cut out the competition. Can't do anything remotely close to that now. Now, a school like UW can instantly grow a 6 star Penis. Good times I say.

    Edit: By the way, the best player to ever play at UW, IMHO, was Stan Empterman. That guy was a fucking beast and a number one overall NFL draft pick. As a D Lineman. And as we all know, he was a three star recruit!!!!111111!!! Stars matter to some degree, fuck you up kick ass on the field eye test play matters more.
    2 star
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  • CFetters_Nacho_Lover
    CFetters_Nacho_Lover Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 32,313 Founders Club
    JoeEDangerously said:

    WoolleyDoog said:

    DoogmanRefund said:

    YellowSnow said:

    DoogmanRefund said:

    YellowSnow said:



    PineapplePirate said:

    I used to think I understood recruiting and star rankings but I just don’t. I’ve given up.

    I can't tell the difference between 3 and 4 stars anymore.

    And I assume any 5 star we get (from WA state) will probably suck.
    Was Reggie Williams the last 5 star who went to UW and actually played like one?
    Shaq was and generally played like one. I think Reggie was.
    Shaq played like one. Good call. Those teams were mostly forgettable. Could have used him during the Manu/Wellington era.
    Shaq and Reggie are the only clearcut 5-5 guys signed by UW. Was ASJ a 5 star in the end? If so I think he can be added.

    Instate during recruiting rankings I feel like a lot haven't panned out or at least underwhelmed:

    Heaps - Bust. Original JT Daniels.
    Max Browne - Massive bust
    Eason - Underwhelmed.
    Jonathan Stewart - 5*-5*
    Reggie - 5*-5*
    Emeka - 5*-5*
    Kavario - Bust
    ASJ - 5*-5* but still kind of underwhelming
    Schilling - 5*-4*
    Garnett - 5*-5* I guess but I'll stand by that he was kind of just decent and McCaffrey was making plays and with Stanford's OLine pedigree at the time he slotted into a bunch of accolades then Chipper reached for him like way before anyone else would have.
    Sarrell - underwhelmed big time
    Taylor Mays - 5*-5*
    JTT - Jury is out. Let's see how the next 1-2 years actually go
    Sam Huard - Yikes fucking yikes - has there ever been a five star recruit and that high of a five star who ended up in FCS, and that quickly?
    Smalls - More yikes - can't crack the two deeps on Colorado's atrocious Line

    Locker and Budda should have been 5*-5*s
    Not an in state guy but another 5* guy UW landed was Donny Mateaki and he played the equivalent of Cameron Elisaras career which was like a a Damian Turpin career
    Still working at UW


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  • Baseman
    Baseman Member Posts: 12,369
    CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:

    JoeEDangerously said:

    WoolleyDoog said:

    DoogmanRefund said:

    YellowSnow said:

    DoogmanRefund said:

    YellowSnow said:



    PineapplePirate said:

    I used to think I understood recruiting and star rankings but I just don’t. I’ve given up.

    I can't tell the difference between 3 and 4 stars anymore.

    And I assume any 5 star we get (from WA state) will probably suck.
    Was Reggie Williams the last 5 star who went to UW and actually played like one?
    Shaq was and generally played like one. I think Reggie was.
    Shaq played like one. Good call. Those teams were mostly forgettable. Could have used him during the Manu/Wellington era.
    Shaq and Reggie are the only clearcut 5-5 guys signed by UW. Was ASJ a 5 star in the end? If so I think he can be added.

    Instate during recruiting rankings I feel like a lot haven't panned out or at least underwhelmed:

    Heaps - Bust. Original JT Daniels.
    Max Browne - Massive bust
    Eason - Underwhelmed.
    Jonathan Stewart - 5*-5*
    Reggie - 5*-5*
    Emeka - 5*-5*
    Kavario - Bust
    ASJ - 5*-5* but still kind of underwhelming
    Schilling - 5*-4*
    Garnett - 5*-5* I guess but I'll stand by that he was kind of just decent and McCaffrey was making plays and with Stanford's OLine pedigree at the time he slotted into a bunch of accolades then Chipper reached for him like way before anyone else would have.
    Sarrell - underwhelmed big time
    Taylor Mays - 5*-5*
    JTT - Jury is out. Let's see how the next 1-2 years actually go
    Sam Huard - Yikes fucking yikes - has there ever been a five star recruit and that high of a five star who ended up in FCS, and that quickly?
    Smalls - More yikes - can't crack the two deeps on Colorado's atrocious Line

    Locker and Budda should have been 5*-5*s
    Not an in state guy but another 5* guy UW landed was Donny Mateaki and he played the equivalent of Cameron Elisaras career which was like a a Damian Turpin career
    Still working at UW


    Hope he's more effective developing than when he played
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  • Kingdome_Urinals
    Kingdome_Urinals Member Posts: 2,799
    edited September 2023
    I think the 4* ratio argument was a proxy for a team that had a higher probability of having quality contributors, based on evaluations done when kids were 16.

    After a year or two in a P5 system those evaluations mean nothing. What percentage of 5* players are below average contributors? If it's even 3 or 4 that's a bad ratio.

    A portal evaluation is probably a more accurate and efficient system.

    Penix, Polk, Dillon Johnson, Nixon, Muhammad...Pretty good hit rate compared to the 4 and 5 stars of the last 4 cycles IMO.
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  • vadawg
    vadawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 467 Swaye's Wigwam
    No. Fuck, we’re so over the top Doogin on this team it’s nuts.

    They’re good. Talent on D isn’t there…not even close. We’ve played dreg.

    Wow. Just wow
    YellowSnow said:

    Looks like we're down to 27 x 4 Stars "In Progress"

    https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/

    Only Clempson has won the whole thing in the CFP era with less than the magic number or 40 (they had 39 in 2016).

    TCU has 17 last year. I don't recall were Oregon was in 2014 but it was low 30's, right?

    Can UW be the first to do it with well below 40? We had 21 in 2016 including 4 star QB Jake Browning.

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  • Canadawg
    Canadawg Member Posts: 5,336
    vadawg said:

    No. Fuck, we’re so over the top Doogin on this team it’s nuts.

    They’re good. Talent on D isn’t there…not even close. We’ve played dreg.

    Wow. Just wow

    YellowSnow said:

    Looks like we're down to 27 x 4 Stars "In Progress"

    https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/

    Only Clempson has won the whole thing in the CFP era with less than the magic number or 40 (they had 39 in 2016).

    TCU has 17 last year. I don't recall were Oregon was in 2014 but it was low 30's, right?

    Can UW be the first to do it with well below 40? We had 21 in 2016 including 4 star QB Jake Browning.

    I have had many concerns about my beloved defence but Jordan Perryman was the injury that kept us? from winning the conference and 13 games last year. This year he wouldn't be in the 2 deeps.
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