I’m just pissed
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We always tie Miami. UW and Miami are tied at #55FireCohen said:
Miami is an academics school?YellowSnow said:I just think all of the Pac 12 academis smack talk over the years is pointless. It just doesn't matter in big time college football.
I think there's been a total of like 6 natties in the past 25 years by schools's with respectable academis. USC (2); Texas (1); Ohio State (2) and Miamuh (1). I really hate having to include Miamuh here, but @creepycoug told me I have to.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/university-of-miami-1536
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/university-of-washington-3798 -
I think Luther Campbell has an honorary doctorate there. So yes they are in fact an academis.FireCohen said:
Miami is an academics school?YellowSnow said:I just think all of the Pac 12 academis smack talk over the years is pointless. It just doesn't matter in big time college football.
I think there's been a total of like 6 natties in the past 25 years by schools's with respectable academis. USC (2); Texas (1); Ohio State (2) and Miamuh (1). I really hate having to include Miamuh here, but @creepycoug told me I have to. -
how did it implode - i dont want to put in the effort to type it all out, i think vanilla caps at 10k charactersStLouisDawg said:So not to be a homer or anything, but seriously, how the fuck did the PAC 12 implode? I always took great pride that my institution, one of the true drivers of innovation and change in the world, was banded together with other like minded institutions. Stanford and Berkeley, UCLA and Washington were the heart of the Pacific Conference and world leaders in every sense of the word. USC and Oregon (as much as we malign them) had national relevance to the culture and knowledge. Giants walking the earth. Zeitgeist personified.
Arizona was not far behind. Wazzu, in its areas, is relevant worldwide. Oregon state was admittedly a laggard and ASU generally only good for beautiful coeds (we all need wives). even the addition of Colorado (a very fine place of higher learning) and Utah (less so but the Mormons are hard workers) did not diminish the light of the PAC.
It was, by any measure, at least as impactful globally as the Ivy League. International measures had Stanford, Cal and UW as top 10 institutions, with UCLA and USC top 50.
So now we get down to brass tacks. Who is to blame for this abomination. Kliavkoff was too new to have real blame. And a large portion of blame much be meted out to Larry Scott, who mismanaged the intellectual property of the PAC it was criminal.
But my friends, my loyal purple and gold friends, the true culprit in this is the University of Southern California. Those Trojan rat bastards sold their pacific souls and forced the rest to pick up the pieces. I place little blame on UCLA, they merely followed.
So fuck the Trojans. Fuck them for not enjoying paradise. Fuck them for being afraid of the rest of the west coast. Fuck them for being the fake ass Hollywood bitches they are.
It’s time to declare war. Who’s with me?
like minded institutions - tv money got everyone crazy
fuck usc - always and forever
declaration of war - uw got what they wanted, a seat at the adults table at thanksgiving, whats not to like? -
Miami has historically been a bit harder to get into, so the avg. undergrad there was a bit smarter than the average UW undergrad. Numbers don't lie. I don't know that that's the case anymore, but historically it was. Of course, while Miami has a teaching hospital, law school (with a great tax program) and business school, UW has historically ranked higher in many/most departments. It's not a research behemoth by any stretch, but yes, it's a school full of kids who were very solid students in high school. That, to me anyway, is the most relevant measure.YellowSnow said:
We always tie Miami. UW and Miami are tied at #55FireCohen said:
Miami is an academics school?YellowSnow said:I just think all of the Pac 12 academis smack talk over the years is pointless. It just doesn't matter in big time college football.
I think there's been a total of like 6 natties in the past 25 years by schools's with respectable academis. USC (2); Texas (1); Ohio State (2) and Miamuh (1). I really hate having to include Miamuh here, but @creepycoug told me I have to.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/university-of-miami-1536
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/university-of-washington-3798 -
US News is about as good a ranking as Buzzfeed. If you look at scholarship and world changing research, Miami is a pale imitation of the true centers of civilization.YellowSnow said:
We always tie Miami. UW and Miami are tied at #55FireCohen said:
Miami is an academics school?YellowSnow said:I just think all of the Pac 12 academis smack talk over the years is pointless. It just doesn't matter in big time college football.
I think there's been a total of like 6 natties in the past 25 years by schools's with respectable academis. USC (2); Texas (1); Ohio State (2) and Miamuh (1). I really hate having to include Miamuh here, but @creepycoug told me I have to.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/university-of-miami-1536
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/university-of-washington-3798
And I get your point that academis prowess is not generally appreciated in Football. And with NIL and the portal it will only get worse.
But I can still grieve while at the same time be relieved we are in the BIG 10. I guess this is my Kennedy getting shot moment. The world will never be quite the same.
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Is Georgia not on the same level of academis? I thought it was basically tied with Florida for #2 SEC school after Vandy. Would definitely have it on the same level as tOSU in my head; maybe the rankings say otherwise.YellowSnow said:I just think all of the Pac 12 academis smack talk over the years is pointless. It just doesn't matter in big time college football.
I think there's been a total of like 6 natties in the past 25 years by schools's with respectable academis. USC (2); Texas (1); Ohio State (2) and Miamuh (1). I really hate having to include Miamuh here, but @creepycoug told me I have to. -
My bad. I forget about Florida and UGA being ranked high. You wouldn't think it. It all gets lost in the haze of Bammer, Auburn, LSU and Clempson which all make Kewg look like Harvard.whlinder said:
Is Georgia not on the same level of academis? I thought it was basically tied with Florida for #2 SEC school after Vandy. Would definitely have it on the same level as tOSU in my head; maybe the rankings say otherwise.YellowSnow said:I just think all of the Pac 12 academis smack talk over the years is pointless. It just doesn't matter in big time college football.
I think there's been a total of like 6 natties in the past 25 years by schools's with respectable academis. USC (2); Texas (1); Ohio State (2) and Miamuh (1). I really hate having to include Miamuh here, but @creepycoug told me I have to. -
But it's not the only relevant measure. If that were the case, the very best and brightest students in the US and internationally wouldn't fall all over themselves to get into the Ivy League, MIT and many other schools that don't rate high on research spending. By this logic, the preference selection would favor Ohio State over MIT, and literally zero high achieving high school students would make that choice. Washington people have jumped onto this measure because Washington has ascended on this measure. It's fine to be proud of it, but don't tell me to send my 36 ACT kid to Arizona FS because it outspends Dartmouth and Rice on research by a healthy multiple. The students at the former are not in the same league as the students in the latter. The undergraduate is still the center of gravity at any university, and undergraduate selectivity and the things that drive it remain quite relevant. And traditionally, or by any point of relational logic, it's the undergraduate who is most linked to sports representing the school.StLouisDawg said:
US News is about as good a ranking as Buzzfeed. If you look at scholarship and world changing research, Miami is a pale imitation of the true centers of civilization.YellowSnow said:
We always tie Miami. UW and Miami are tied at #55FireCohen said:
Miami is an academics school?YellowSnow said:I just think all of the Pac 12 academis smack talk over the years is pointless. It just doesn't matter in big time college football.
I think there's been a total of like 6 natties in the past 25 years by schools's with respectable academis. USC (2); Texas (1); Ohio State (2) and Miamuh (1). I really hate having to include Miamuh here, but @creepycoug told me I have to.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/university-of-miami-1536
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/university-of-washington-3798
And I get your point that academis prowess is not generally appreciated in Football. And with NIL and the portal it will only get worse.
But I can still grieve while at the same time be relieved we are in the BIG 10. I guess this is my Kennedy getting shot moment. The world will never be quite the same.
I also disagree with your assessment of US News. -
No one’s jumping. Disappointed in something with 100+ yrs of history that’s going down the shittier. A half way decent pac and people are wondering if this really needed to happen… it does but it’s a shame.Kaepsknee said:A solid 2 weeks by the PAC already have some of you rats jumping off the ship that you jumped on to get to the B1G and I’m here for it.
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Florida and Georgia have ascended US News because of rapid new increases in undergraduate selectivity that has to do more with demographics and policy than it does with organic change at either school. Nevertheless, both schools, and Florida in particular, have become hard to get into. Historically not the case. New normal? We shall see.YellowSnow said:
My bad. I forget about Florida and UGA being ranked high. You wouldn't think it. It all gets lost in the haze of Bammer, Auburn, LSU and Clempson which all make Kewg look like Harvard.whlinder said:
Is Georgia not on the same level of academis? I thought it was basically tied with Florida for #2 SEC school after Vandy. Would definitely have it on the same level as tOSU in my head; maybe the rankings say otherwise.YellowSnow said:I just think all of the Pac 12 academis smack talk over the years is pointless. It just doesn't matter in big time college football.
I think there's been a total of like 6 natties in the past 25 years by schools's with respectable academis. USC (2); Texas (1); Ohio State (2) and Miamuh (1). I really hate having to include Miamuh here, but @creepycoug told me I have to.
