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what im hearing re: p12 network/tv contract/boofs bouncin
rodmansrage
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it goes without saying, this 'tv deal' thing has been handled pretty shitty, here what im hearin though:
- espn and fox have taken deals off the table. they originally had been bidding for a saturday day game and saturday night game, they've taken those off the table as of the past week or past two weeks.
- p12/10 is now trying to get cbs or nbc to offer packages for those games. p12/10 wants $150mm for those games.
- p12 network is going to go either to apple tv or amazon, it will be a $300mm package. previous poast i said 'its going apple,' somethings changed with me.
- if, and that's a huge fucking IF especially for the linear tv games, that will put the payout higher for the p10 than the b12. that will 'put all member schools at ease,' allegedly.
- colorado has been a willing participant in media negotiations, they have 'gone dark' in the past week so this:
that is real, to an extent, as i dont know about wildcats but i know boofs are talking to the big 12.
- colorado will 'come back to the table' if those tv packages are offered
- colorado 'needs something by august' as they dont want to go into the season with each press conference having questions about 'well what about the b12' and 'when are you going to the b12?'
- the 'final offers' are supposed to be in by 'end of june' but that announcement was supposed to happen in march so who fucking knows.
take all the screenshots you need.
- espn and fox have taken deals off the table. they originally had been bidding for a saturday day game and saturday night game, they've taken those off the table as of the past week or past two weeks.
- p12/10 is now trying to get cbs or nbc to offer packages for those games. p12/10 wants $150mm for those games.
- p12 network is going to go either to apple tv or amazon, it will be a $300mm package. previous poast i said 'its going apple,' somethings changed with me.
- if, and that's a huge fucking IF especially for the linear tv games, that will put the payout higher for the p10 than the b12. that will 'put all member schools at ease,' allegedly.
- colorado has been a willing participant in media negotiations, they have 'gone dark' in the past week so this:
that is real, to an extent, as i dont know about wildcats but i know boofs are talking to the big 12.
- colorado will 'come back to the table' if those tv packages are offered
- colorado 'needs something by august' as they dont want to go into the season with each press conference having questions about 'well what about the b12' and 'when are you going to the b12?'
- the 'final offers' are supposed to be in by 'end of june' but that announcement was supposed to happen in march so who fucking knows.
take all the screenshots you need.
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Arizona and Colorado going to the big 12 is not the worst thing.
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Whatever it takes to get to the B10.
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Meh. To me it is much more likely that Colorado has little confidence in Prime Time having a significant positive impact in his first year as far as wins and losses go. Absent, a blockbuster deal from the P12/10 Colorado wants to be able to accept the B12 offer before the season begins as a way of ensuring that the B12 doesn't renege once CU realizes just how tough it is to win once they have turned over a roster nearly 75-80 % in less than a year.rodmansrage said:it goes without saying, this 'tv deal' thing has been handled pretty shitty, here what im hearin though:
- espn and fox have taken deals off the table. they originally had been bidding for a saturday day game and saturday night game, they've taken those off the table as of the past week or past two weeks.
- p12/10 is now trying to get cbs or nbc to offer packages for those games. p12/10 wants $150mm for those games.
- p12 network is going to go either to apple tv or amazon, it will be a $300mm package. previous poast i said 'its going apple,' somethings changed with me.
- if, and that's a huge fucking IF especially for the linear tv games, that will put the payout higher for the p10 than the b12. that will 'put all member schools at ease,' allegedly.
- colorado has been a willing participant in media negotiations, they have 'gone dark' in the past week so this:
that is real, to an extent, as i dont know about wildcats but i know boofs are talking to the big 12.
- colorado will 'come back to the table' if those tv packages are offered
- colorado 'needs something by august' as they dont want to go into the season with each press conference having questions about 'well what about the b12' and 'when are you going to the b12?'
- the 'final offers' are supposed to be in by 'end of june' but that announcement was supposed to happen in march so who fucking knows.
take all the screenshots you need.
If it is true that someone in any position of authority was afraid of press conference questions, then CU is better off in the WAC.
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Punt Colorado, sub in San Diego State.AtomicDawg said:Arizona and Colorado going to the big 12 is not the worst thing.
Hotter, lower maintenance coeds in SD than Boulder.
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PurpleThrobber said:
Punt Colorado, sub in San Diego State.AtomicDawg said:Arizona and Colorado going to the big 12 is not the worst thing.
Hotter, lower maintenance coeds in SD than Boulder.
had no idea wilner's burner account was throbber. -
boofs in a no win; if prime wins, he gone (they/they boosters don't have the $$$ to keep him, this tv $$ wont help) to the SEC, no warning. if he sucks, itll be a shitshow trying to fire him which will be hilarious for everyone whomst isnt involved.EwaDawg said:
Meh. To me it is much more likely that Colorado has little confidence in Prime Time having a significant positive impact in his first year as far as wins and losses go. Absent, a blockbuster deal from the P12/10 Colorado wants to be able to accept the B12 offer before the season begins as a way of ensuring that the B12 doesn't renege once CU realizes just how tough it is to win once they have turned over a roster nearly 75-80 % in less than a year.
If it is true that someone in any position of authority was afraid of press conference questions, then CU is better off in the WAC. -
sorry, had one other thing to add to original poast:
- the CW deal/offer was real, dont know how much it was for, but was unanimously rejected by p10 presidents for 'political reasons,' since LIV golf is allegedly on it. -
rodmansrage said:
sorry, had one other thing to add to original poast:
- the CW deal/offer was real, dont know how much it was for, but was unanimously rejected by p10 presidents for 'political reasons,' since LIV golf is allegedly on it.
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Colorado and Arizona can suck a fat dick.
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Bear down? What the actual fuck? How retarded do you have to be to call yourselves the wildcats, have a slogan like that, and at the same time think you're this blue blood basketball school? Holy fuck.
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haie said:
Bear down? What the actual fuck? How retarded do you have to be to call yourselves the wildcats, have a slogan like that, and at the same time think you're this blue blood basketball school? Holy fuck.
The Story of Bear Down
87262University of Arizona Athletics’ most enduring tradition is the slogan and battle cry, “Bear Down.”
More than a casual piece of encouragement, the rally cry has roots over a century old, to the Roaring ‘20s, and pre-dates another venerated exhortation, “Win one for the Gipper,” by two years.
In the fall of 1926, John Byrd “Button” Salmon was the newly installed student body president at the UA, a promising student and member of note of several of the school’s honor societies. He also was a varsity quarterback, a baseball catcher and generally acclaimed popular campus figure. He embodied all-around.
In early October after the Wildcat varsity defeated the freshman squad in an annual match at the time, Salmon and several friends were returning from a visit to Phoenix, and an automobile crash north of Tucson near Florence left the young athlete critically injured.
Salmon, then 22, lost his battle and died the morning of Oct. 18. A memorial service was held on campus that week, drawing a reported thousand mourners, and a line of cars stretched miles to his burial plot.
The coach at the time, J.F. “Pop” McKale, had visited Salmon in the hospital regularly before his death, and later told the squad the young athlete’s last message to his teammates was, “Tell them... tell the team to bear down.”
It’s unclear whether McKale invoked the phrase to the team before one of several games that year, a contest in Las Cruces against New Mexico A&M (NMSU) that same week, or two weeks later before a game against New Mexico in Tucson. UA won both.
But when word spread, the UA student body drew to the phrase swiftly, and among other uses painted the slogan on the roof of the University gymnasium shortly thereafter, known since as Bear Down Gym. An airplane view of that huge-lettered phrase caused eventual long-time band director Jack K. Lee to write the song, “Bear Down, Arizona” during his application for the UA band job. The song, and Douglas Holsclaw’s “Fight, Wildcats, Fight,” are played throughout University of Arizona sports -
@RaceBannon, PAC-12 historianRaceBannon said:haie said:Bear down? What the actual fuck? How retarded do you have to be to call yourselves the wildcats, have a slogan like that, and at the same time think you're this blue blood basketball school? Holy fuck.
The Story of Bear Down
87262University of Arizona Athletics’ most enduring tradition is the slogan and battle cry, “Bear Down.”
More than a casual piece of encouragement, the rally cry has roots over a century old, to the Roaring ‘20s, and pre-dates another venerated exhortation, “Win one for the Gipper,” by two years.
In the fall of 1926, John Byrd “Button” Salmon was the newly installed student body president at the UA, a promising student and member of note of several of the school’s honor societies. He also was a varsity quarterback, a baseball catcher and generally acclaimed popular campus figure. He embodied all-around.
In early October after the Wildcat varsity defeated the freshman squad in an annual match at the time, Salmon and several friends were returning from a visit to Phoenix, and an automobile crash north of Tucson near Florence left the young athlete critically injured.
Salmon, then 22, lost his battle and died the morning of Oct. 18. A memorial service was held on campus that week, drawing a reported thousand mourners, and a line of cars stretched miles to his burial plot.
The coach at the time, J.F. “Pop” McKale, had visited Salmon in the hospital regularly before his death, and later told the squad the young athlete’s last message to his teammates was, “Tell them... tell the team to bear down.”
It’s unclear whether McKale invoked the phrase to the team before one of several games that year, a contest in Las Cruces against New Mexico A&M (NMSU) that same week, or two weeks later before a game against New Mexico in Tucson. UA won both.
But when word spread, the UA student body drew to the phrase swiftly, and among other uses painted the slogan on the roof of the University gymnasium shortly thereafter, known since as Bear Down Gym. An airplane view of that huge-lettered phrase caused eventual long-time band director Jack K. Lee to write the song, “Bear Down, Arizona” during his application for the UA band job. The song, and Douglas Holsclaw’s “Fight, Wildcats, Fight,” are played throughout University of Arizona sports -
You mean the LIV golf that just mergered with the highly distinguished PGA?rodmansrage said:sorry, had one other thing to add to original poast:
- the CW deal/offer was real, dont know how much it was for, but was unanimously rejected by p10 presidents for 'political reasons,' since LIV golf is allegedly on it.
https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/37805785/pga-tour-liv-golf-dp-world-tour-announce-merger -
Couldn't disagree more. For one, someone of Deion's ego and legacy isn't going to allow himself to turn into a Joe Avezzano and endure years of humiliation.rodmansrage said:
boofs in a no win; if prime wins, he gone (they/they boosters don't have the $$$ to keep him, this tv $$ wont help) to the SEC, no warning. if he sucks, itll be a shitshow trying to fire him which will be hilarious for everyone whomst isnt involved.EwaDawg said:
Meh. To me it is much more likely that Colorado has little confidence in Prime Time having a significant positive impact in his first year as far as wins and losses go. Absent, a blockbuster deal from the P12/10 Colorado wants to be able to accept the B12 offer before the season begins as a way of ensuring that the B12 doesn't renege once CU realizes just how tough it is to win once they have turned over a roster nearly 75-80 % in less than a year.
If it is true that someone in any position of authority was afraid of press conference questions, then CU is better off in the WAC. -
rodmansrage said:
- the 'final offers' are supposed to be in by 'end of june' but that announcement was supposed to happen in march so who fucking knows.
take all the screenshots you need.
i dont think that's entirely true*. like i said in chat, there's supposed to be a tv offer by 'end of june' but with no linear partner, and the fact its summer, i doubt it happens in june.
if it doesnt happen 'by end of august'/before boofs fire up before their first game then the smoke could be legit.
*the big 12 isnt going to turn down colorado regardless what the calendar says. why they wont? i have no idea but those fuckers want to play football in mexico (nb4 but the sun bowel is in mexico!) so its pretty clear they're not thinking straight. -
The Pac-12 radio guys are all down in the dumps and the rumor there was that the conference is trying to negotiate a 3-4 year tv deal with knowledge that UW and Oregon are in final talks to join the B1G in that timeframe. So it would be a short-term deal that carries the conference to its death.
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SWAIM wants his "life" back 🤣🍺
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it was an odd comment for surehaie said:SWAIM wants his "life" back 🤣🍺
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i stole these quotes from the athetic article 'Pac-12 could have media rights deal by end of June, Washington State president says'
Washington State president Kirk Schulz expects to have resolution on the Pac-12’s next TV deal “by the end of the month,” he said at a WSU board of regents meeting Friday.
schulzy reads the chat and/or is in the chat
"It may be fairly flat.” Schulz did not elaborate further, but in the 2022 fiscal year, the conference reported $385.6 million in revenue — an average of $32.1 million per school
p12 is pushing for $40mm per school but thats going to depend if they can get a linear package
A board member followed up by asking how confident he is on a scale of 1 to 10 that the deal will actually be completed by the end of June. “I’d probably put it at a 7,” he said.
with espn/fox walking away, i dont see cbs/nbc seeing the need to overpay. plus, i dont expect a lot to get done the month of june. if there's nothing by august, then shit gets weird.
the board preemptively authorized Schulz to sign off on the deal without board approval, another sign that the finish line is in sight
i thikn the 'grant of rights' deal is much ado about nothing, its like saying 'if we can all decide on a spot to go to dinner, we'll go to dinner.' if the deal is shit, he doesnt need a board meeting to say 'look at this shitty deal, i think its shit, you think i should sign this shit deal.'
“The commissioner (George Kliavkoff) has said once we have a deal, we may need to execute the Grant of Rights over a couple days,” he said. “What we didn’t want to do is have some frantic board meeting in the middle of the summer (to approve it).”
this just reiterates my point from about, not about the shitty dinner, but we're in summer, school is out, uni presidents and board members are are playing golf
tl; dr - we? are no closer AND if we? are truly 'close' its gonna be a shit deal and everyone is gonna be pissed
also, uw/ou will go to the big 10 but that wont be until next big 10 media rights deal that takes place in 28/29 or something like that. -
PAC-12/10/8/6/4/2 …
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wilner out here saying its going to be special until it isnt:
with the Pac-12 football media festivities in July, the commissioner offers the opening remarks. But if Kliavkoff doesn’t have a media deal signed and announced by that point, the existential crisis will suck oxygen from a first-rate football product. In our opinion, it would be a PR nightmare.
p12 running out of runway here and there is so much fuckery in wilners quote im beyond it. 'first rate football product,' lmao, ok. 'pr nightmare,' this whole fucking thing has been a nightmare.
so he's saying 'if kliavkoff doesnt present then its bad?'
Kliavkoff can do whatever he wants so long as the presidents are on board with the strategy.
He isn’t contractually bound to offer opening remarks and answer questions. The conference could simply introduce Colorado coach Deion Sanders, hand him the microphone for an hour and get on with the show.
After all, Kliavkoff’s public presence at football media day shouldn’t have a material impact on the course of the negotiations.
so its no big deal? wtf.
regardless, this july date will come and go, just like wilner's 'the survival of the pac-12 drops by 3 points a week starting in march!' hot taek.
Because any league with the Huskies and Ducks naturally would include Washington State and Oregon State
i wouldnt bank on this.
two in the massive Bay Area media market
wilner must not have the latest stats on linear tv dying off. plus, cal/furd dont move the needle.
the conference could add San Diego State
i saw another poast about the zteks saying 'we want to leave mtn west.' they haven't joined the p12/10, yet. kliavkoff is pretty desperate (if you havent realized that by now then just wait until mora is hired as the UW coach! its his dream job!) and he's dangling them to the networks with the 'well, if we can get san diego state, will you up your offer.' its going to be one hell of a coincidence when the media deal is signed and it magically has a spot for two more teams.
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i wanted to have a separate poast for this tidbit:
But based on the public comments at the time from several presidents, it’s reasonable to conclude that they believed a deal would be completed in March or early April.
What happened? Three possibilities:
— They misinterpreted the talking points provided by the conference office.
— Something derailed Kliavkoff’s plans and forced him to start the negotiating process all over.
— The conference agreed to the framework of a deal in March but was forced to delay taking the final step until this spring.
the first two definitely happened, the third, it doesnt matter.
league office - the clamor from the league was 'we're really close to a streaming and linear deal.' they are close for a streaming deal, either amazon or apple tv, tbh, i think its apple tv at this point. nothins changed with me on that, you have all the screenshots you need. that deal, however, was expected to be higher. media broadcasting rights are in a really fucked up spot right now, there's too many streaming channels/platforms, and iirc only nextflix is profitable. disney is going to start showing espn as a separate reporting entity, i dont know if this means theyre going to try to ipo them, they say they arent so that means they probably are, but short story long, they need to show theyre bringing profit. they can continue to sign the nfl, and to a lesser extent pat mcafee, but those draw viewers, our? third-rate conference does not. plus, you have nba media rights up next year, espn needs to hold on to all the money they can at this point. the streaming fun has ended, apple tv is somewhat excluded because its apple and apple is getting into sports. iirc, the current nfl media deal has an exit clause the league can execute in 2027 (i dont remember the year) but apple will try to re-up to get tnf from amazon.
the presidents agreeing to the grant of rights deal is nothing imo, none of them were going to say 'no, we're not going to follow along' because nobody else has a firm exit option, buffs be shopping but still want to see what george can pull off. i think the grant of rights is a big deal to wilner because its the only 'positive' thing to say about this shitshow.
tl;dr - shit hit the fan in march with networks, offers got pulled, streaming/linear environment is totally fucked. -
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“The leadership is better than it was, but it’s still not very good. I could give the new commissioner [George] Kliavkoff a pass maybe a year, year and a half ago because his predecessor literally ran this thing into the ground. But he’s had enough time. And I think so far, you have to give him a failing grade.”
wilner has to be so pissed about this, he has to be firing up the 'wait til kliavkoff gets his guys in there' article.
as much as big conferences dont want to expand at the moment, i think theyll be forced to take the cream of the crop, whether its the big 10 going after the northwest schools
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the situation is fluid update:
- no p12 media deal will be announced during p12 media days.
- the message on the deal is 'we're close.' the term 'close' is all pretty relative so the fuck do i know what 'close' is when it comes to talking about time
- getting 'closer' with cbs to broadcast 8-10 primetime games (i believe this, cbs needs saturday night football to hype sunday football)
- rest of p12 games go to amzn or apple (aint shit changed with me here)
- will be 'close' to big 12 media deal
- 'we?' still gone to the midwest rape league when that deal comes close to being up
- no p12 media deal will be announced during p12 media days.
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We've never been wrong about rape here. Sounds legit to me.rodmansrage said:the situation is fluid update:
- no p12 media deal will be announced during p12 media days.
- the message on the deal is 'we're close.' the term 'close' is all pretty relative so the fuck do i know what 'close' is when it comes to talking about time
- getting 'closer' with cbs to broadcast 8-10 primetime games (i believe this, cbs needs saturday night football to hype sunday football)
- rest of p12 games go to amzn or apple (aint shit changed with me here)
- will be 'close' to big 12 media deal
- 'we?' still gone to the midwest rape league when that deal comes close to being up
- no p12 media deal will be announced during p12 media days.
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No CW?rodmansrage said:the situation is fluid update:
- no p12 media deal will be announced during p12 media days.
- the message on the deal is 'we're close.' the term 'close' is all pretty relative so the fuck do i know what 'close' is when it comes to talking about time
- getting 'closer' with cbs to broadcast 8-10 primetime games (i believe this, cbs needs saturday night football to hype sunday football)
- rest of p12 games go to amzn or apple (aint shit changed with me here)
- will be 'close' to big 12 media deal
- 'we?' still gone to the midwest rape league when that deal comes close to being up
Edit: Also, any word on SDSU and SMU joining in the future but not for 2024? - no p12 media deal will be announced during p12 media days.
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This is what bothers me. The expanded playoff after this year is prolonging the Pac as a barely viable league until 2026.rodmansrage said:'we?' still gone to the midwest rape league when that deal comes close to being up
2026 the Pac won't be owed anything and the B1G can then "morally" poach Oregon and Washington.
So the two schools are going to agree to stay in this shit conference with equal revenue sharing because they don't have the balls to just come out and rip the band-aid off now. -
No CW.whatshouldicareabout said:
No CW?rodmansrage said:the situation is fluid update:
- no p12 media deal will be announced during p12 media days.
- the message on the deal is 'we're close.' the term 'close' is all pretty relative so the fuck do i know what 'close' is when it comes to talking about time
- getting 'closer' with cbs to broadcast 8-10 primetime games (i believe this, cbs needs saturday night football to hype sunday football)
- rest of p12 games go to amzn or apple (aint shit changed with me here)
- will be 'close' to big 12 media deal
- 'we?' still gone to the midwest rape league when that deal comes close to being up
Edit: Also, any word on SDSU and SMU joining in the future but not for 2024?
P10 is negotiating based on “10 or 12 members” so it’s not over for smu and sdsu.
probably gonna be a five year deal which puts us? “still in” the p10 until next big rape conference deal starts to get negotiated. - no p12 media deal will be announced during p12 media days.
