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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,091 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    "The gun lobby's interpretation of the Second Amendment is one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud, on the American People by special interest groups that I have seen in my lifetime.”


    “The real purpose of the Second Amendment was to ensure that state armies, the militia, would be maintained for the defense of the state.”

    "The very language of the Second Amendment refutes any argument that it was intended to guarantee every citizen an unfettered right to any kind of weapon he or she desires.”

    “If the militia, which was going to be the state army, was going to be well regulated, why shouldn’t 16 and 17 and 18 or any other aged persons be regulated in the use of arms the way an automobile is regulated?”

    -Warren Burger

    So what

    Is he a Dictator?

  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,091 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    LebamDawg said:

    I think the Nashville event put poor ol' @HHusky right over the edge

    The Dazzler is probably trans so he thinks no one can have guns because he wants to kill people. It wouldn't want them shooting back!
    But you were going to explain how the shooter would never have had a gun if it weren't for "lefties". Looks like you wrote another bad check, Mall Cop.
    Not what I said. Making shit up as usual. I opined she had mental issues which was obvious since she's trans. That's loony all by itself. They did indeed miss mental issues on other shooters and the NICS system did not catch it. Obviously the family knew did anyone else? Why didn't anyone else know?
    It’s exactly what you said. And you are running like Hell from any real answer to a basic question: how is some computerized background check supposed to flag “emotional problems” that are inherently private?
    Because people with violent mental issues are supposed to be reported by their doctors to the system. But guess what party 99% of those psyche docs belong to? Yours. Communist fucks they aren't doing their job! Now fuck off you whiney cunt. You offer nothing but lies and whimpering. Man up! I know that's hard when you're playing down at the Cock Pit but try it sometime.
    I’ve already told you how easily her access to a gun could have been prevented. And without banning guns. But you’d rather argue that the answer is to ban mental illness. ‘Cuz you’re so practical.
    You haven't said shit

  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,965

    HHusky said:

    "The gun lobby's interpretation of the Second Amendment is one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud, on the American People by special interest groups that I have seen in my lifetime.”


    “The real purpose of the Second Amendment was to ensure that state armies, the militia, would be maintained for the defense of the state.”

    "The very language of the Second Amendment refutes any argument that it was intended to guarantee every citizen an unfettered right to any kind of weapon he or she desires.”

    “If the militia, which was going to be the state army, was going to be well regulated, why shouldn’t 16 and 17 and 18 or any other aged persons be regulated in the use of arms the way an automobile is regulated?”

    -Warren Burger

    So what

    Is he a Dictator?

    Just another Republican who could read. Quite common before the extinction events.
  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,619 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    "The gun lobby's interpretation of the Second Amendment is one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud, on the American People by special interest groups that I have seen in my lifetime.”


    “The real purpose of the Second Amendment was to ensure that state armies, the militia, would be maintained for the defense of the state.”

    "The very language of the Second Amendment refutes any argument that it was intended to guarantee every citizen an unfettered right to any kind of weapon he or she desires.”

    “If the militia, which was going to be the state army, was going to be well regulated, why shouldn’t 16 and 17 and 18 or any other aged persons be regulated in the use of arms the way an automobile is regulated?”

    -Warren Burger

    No, it wasn't just for militias. And no one is arguing an "unfettered" right. Another strawman ass destroyed by the dazzler.

    PS Super constitutionalist Warren Burger voted for the fake Constitutional abortion right which today is the only Constitutional right that leftards think should be "unfettered".
    Super constitutionalist Antonin Scalia decided “A we’ll regulated militia” has no meaning. You repeat that argument here, though giving effect to all the words of any enactment is the black letter law on interpretation. You supposedly went to law school, didn’t you?
    They decided "shall not be infringed" actually had meaning too. The founders were interested in an armed citizenry to protect their inalienable rights. Just as you leftards are not interested on any check on the increasingly fascist government your side is working on.
  • 46XiJCAB
    46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    If only Dazzler got this lathered up over Blacks killing each other every weekend in Chicago.

    Fuck off, buddy.
  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,619 Standard Supporter
    46XiJCAB said:

    If only Dazzler got this lathered up over Blacks killing each other every weekend in Chicago.

    Fuck off, buddy.

    Odd that dems have no interested in disarming convicted felons and enforcing existing gun laws. We do know who they desperately want disarmed.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,965

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    "The gun lobby's interpretation of the Second Amendment is one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud, on the American People by special interest groups that I have seen in my lifetime.”


    “The real purpose of the Second Amendment was to ensure that state armies, the militia, would be maintained for the defense of the state.”

    "The very language of the Second Amendment refutes any argument that it was intended to guarantee every citizen an unfettered right to any kind of weapon he or she desires.”

    “If the militia, which was going to be the state army, was going to be well regulated, why shouldn’t 16 and 17 and 18 or any other aged persons be regulated in the use of arms the way an automobile is regulated?”

    -Warren Burger

    No, it wasn't just for militias. And no one is arguing an "unfettered" right. Another strawman ass destroyed by the dazzler.

    PS Super constitutionalist Warren Burger voted for the fake Constitutional abortion right which today is the only Constitutional right that leftards think should be "unfettered".
    Super constitutionalist Antonin Scalia decided “A we’ll regulated militia” has no meaning. You repeat that argument here, though giving effect to all the words of any enactment is the black letter law on interpretation. You supposedly went to law school, didn’t you?
    They decided "shall not be infringed" actually had meaning too. The founders were interested in an armed citizenry to protect their inalienable rights. Just as you leftards are not interested on any check on the increasingly fascist government your side is working on.
    They decided that was the only phrase that held meaning. That would be an F in law school. But judges grade their own exams, as some wag once said.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,091 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    "The gun lobby's interpretation of the Second Amendment is one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud, on the American People by special interest groups that I have seen in my lifetime.”


    “The real purpose of the Second Amendment was to ensure that state armies, the militia, would be maintained for the defense of the state.”

    "The very language of the Second Amendment refutes any argument that it was intended to guarantee every citizen an unfettered right to any kind of weapon he or she desires.”

    “If the militia, which was going to be the state army, was going to be well regulated, why shouldn’t 16 and 17 and 18 or any other aged persons be regulated in the use of arms the way an automobile is regulated?”

    -Warren Burger

    So what

    Is he a Dictator?

    Just another Republican who could read. Quite common before the extinction events.
    And yet many disagree. So what

    He read it wrong
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,965

    46XiJCAB said:

    If only Dazzler got this lathered up over Blacks killing each other every weekend in Chicago.

    Fuck off, buddy.

    Odd that dems have no interested in disarming convicted felons and enforcing existing gun laws. We do know who they desperately want disarmed.
    Link?
  • Doogles
    Doogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,728 Founders Club
    I never owned a gun or cared much one way or the other, being a true California centrist.

    Seeing the Chinese lock their citizens down is something to be expected, but watching people get put in tents in Australia and the outright insanity in Western countries convinced me to exercise my right to bear arms.

    If I didn't see it with my own eyes, I wouldn't believe it. I'm convinced the 2A is the only thing keeping the government honest.

    Y'all lost the benefit of the doubt when you went full brownshirt over Covid.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,041 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    LebamDawg said:

    I think the Nashville event put poor ol' @HHusky right over the edge

    The Dazzler is probably trans so he thinks no one can have guns because he wants to kill people. It wouldn't want them shooting back!
    But you were going to explain how the shooter would never have had a gun if it weren't for "lefties". Looks like you wrote another bad check, Mall Cop.
    Not what I said. Making shit up as usual. I opined she had mental issues which was obvious since she's trans. That's loony all by itself. They did indeed miss mental issues on other shooters and the NICS system did not catch it. Obviously the family knew did anyone else? Why didn't anyone else know?
    It’s exactly what you said. And you are running like Hell from any real answer to a basic question: how is some computerized background check supposed to flag “emotional problems” that are inherently private?
    Harden the targets and you won't have to worry so much about all the cracks these weirdos will slip through.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,965
    Doogles said:

    I never owned a gun or cared much one way or the other, being a true California centrist.

    Seeing the Chinese lock their citizens down is something to be expected, but watching people get put in tents in Australia and the outright insanity in Western countries convinced me to exercise my right to bear arms.

    If I didn't see it with my own eyes, I wouldn't believe it. I'm convinced the 2A is the only thing keeping the government honest.

    Y'all lost the benefit of the doubt when you went full brownshirt over Covid.

    We’re the only non-slave society left.

    No one ever mentions how free the kids who aren’t murdered grow up to be.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,965

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    LebamDawg said:

    I think the Nashville event put poor ol' @HHusky right over the edge

    The Dazzler is probably trans so he thinks no one can have guns because he wants to kill people. It wouldn't want them shooting back!
    But you were going to explain how the shooter would never have had a gun if it weren't for "lefties". Looks like you wrote another bad check, Mall Cop.
    Not what I said. Making shit up as usual. I opined she had mental issues which was obvious since she's trans. That's loony all by itself. They did indeed miss mental issues on other shooters and the NICS system did not catch it. Obviously the family knew did anyone else? Why didn't anyone else know?
    It’s exactly what you said. And you are running like Hell from any real answer to a basic question: how is some computerized background check supposed to flag “emotional problems” that are inherently private?
    Harden the targets and you won't have to worry so much about all the cracks these weirdos will slip through.
    Infrastructure week is back.

  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,829 Standard Supporter
    edited March 2023
    HHusky said:

    Doogles said:

    I never owned a gun or cared much one way or the other, being a true California centrist.

    Seeing the Chinese lock their citizens down is something to be expected, but watching people get put in tents in Australia and the outright insanity in Western countries convinced me to exercise my right to bear arms.

    If I didn't see it with my own eyes, I wouldn't believe it. I'm convinced the 2A is the only thing keeping the government honest.

    Y'all lost the benefit of the doubt when you went full brownshirt over Covid.

    We’re the only non-slave society left.

    No one ever mentions how free the kids who aren’t murdered grow up to be.
    Thanks for proving my point. Subjects can't own arms. Citizens can. The founders didn't just come back from a hunting trip they just overthrew and defeated the mightiest country and military in the world. Want to get enslaved? Give up your arms.

    We have guns to defend us against the government first and foremost. Everything else is secondary but almost as important.

    Now fuck off you clueless poorly liberal educated cuck of an American!
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,965
    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    Doogles said:

    I never owned a gun or cared much one way or the other, being a true California centrist.

    Seeing the Chinese lock their citizens down is something to be expected, but watching people get put in tents in Australia and the outright insanity in Western countries convinced me to exercise my right to bear arms.

    If I didn't see it with my own eyes, I wouldn't believe it. I'm convinced the 2A is the only thing keeping the government honest.

    Y'all lost the benefit of the doubt when you went full brownshirt over Covid.

    We’re the only non-slave society left.

    No one ever mentions how free the kids who aren’t murdered grow up to be.
    We have guns to defend us against the government first and foremost.
    I know you girls repeat this to one another. It’s always been bad history and entirely untrue.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,829 Standard Supporter
    edited March 2023
    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    Doogles said:

    I never owned a gun or cared much one way or the other, being a true California centrist.

    Seeing the Chinese lock their citizens down is something to be expected, but watching people get put in tents in Australia and the outright insanity in Western countries convinced me to exercise my right to bear arms.

    If I didn't see it with my own eyes, I wouldn't believe it. I'm convinced the 2A is the only thing keeping the government honest.

    Y'all lost the benefit of the doubt when you went full brownshirt over Covid.

    We’re the only non-slave society left.

    No one ever mentions how free the kids who aren’t murdered grow up to be.
    We have guns to defend us against the government first and foremost.
    I know you girls repeat this to one another. It’s always been bad history and entirely untrue.
    It's what the founders said dumb fuck. But you support him lying and getting a gun. Check.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,965
    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    Doogles said:

    I never owned a gun or cared much one way or the other, being a true California centrist.

    Seeing the Chinese lock their citizens down is something to be expected, but watching people get put in tents in Australia and the outright insanity in Western countries convinced me to exercise my right to bear arms.

    If I didn't see it with my own eyes, I wouldn't believe it. I'm convinced the 2A is the only thing keeping the government honest.

    Y'all lost the benefit of the doubt when you went full brownshirt over Covid.

    We’re the only non-slave society left.

    No one ever mentions how free the kids who aren’t murdered grow up to be.
    We have guns to defend us against the government first and foremost.
    I know you girls repeat this to one another. It’s always been bad history and entirely untrue.
    It's what the founders said dumb fuck. But you support him lying and getting a gun. Check.
    You can find a few isolated quotations to support your position. Where does the Constitution express all this self-hatred?
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,965
    edited March 2023
    Sledog said:

    "Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
    - James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

    "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
    - James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789

    "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
    - William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783

    “A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
    - Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

    "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
    - Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

    "This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction."
    - St. George Tucker, Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1803

    "The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like law, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance ofpower is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside. And while a single nation refuses to lay them down, it is proper that all should keep them up. Horrid mischief would ensue were one-half the world deprived of the use of them; for while avarice and ambition have a place in the heart of man, the weak will become a prey to the strong. The history of every age and nation establishes these truths, and facts need but little arguments when they prove themselves."
    - Thomas Paine, "Thoughts on Defensive War" in Pennsylvania Magazine, July 1775

    "The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
    - Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

    "The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
    - Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833

    "For it is a truth, which the experience of ages has attested, that the people are always most in danger when the means of injuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
    - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25, December 21, 1787

    "If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
    - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

    I could go on and on this took almost a minute to find but then you are a moron.

    An awful lot of militia quotes for a gal who thinks that language is irrelevant. A lot of non-founders too.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,829 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    "Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
    - James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

    "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
    - James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789

    "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
    - William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783

    “A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
    - Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

    "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
    - Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

    "This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction."
    - St. George Tucker, Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1803

    "The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like law, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance ofpower is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside. And while a single nation refuses to lay them down, it is proper that all should keep them up. Horrid mischief would ensue were one-half the world deprived of the use of them; for while avarice and ambition have a place in the heart of man, the weak will become a prey to the strong. The history of every age and nation establishes these truths, and facts need but little arguments when they prove themselves."
    - Thomas Paine, "Thoughts on Defensive War" in Pennsylvania Magazine, July 1775

    "The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
    - Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

    "The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
    - Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833

    "For it is a truth, which the experience of ages has attested, that the people are always most in danger when the means of injuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
    - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25, December 21, 1787

    "If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
    - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

    I could go on and on this took almost a minute to find but then you are a moron.

    An awful lot of militia quotes for a gal who thinks that language is irrelevant.
    Does shit dribble from your ears? Serious question.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,965
    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    "Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
    - James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

    "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
    - James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789

    "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
    - William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783

    “A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
    - Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

    "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
    - Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

    "This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction."
    - St. George Tucker, Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1803

    "The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like law, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance ofpower is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside. And while a single nation refuses to lay them down, it is proper that all should keep them up. Horrid mischief would ensue were one-half the world deprived of the use of them; for while avarice and ambition have a place in the heart of man, the weak will become a prey to the strong. The history of every age and nation establishes these truths, and facts need but little arguments when they prove themselves."
    - Thomas Paine, "Thoughts on Defensive War" in Pennsylvania Magazine, July 1775

    "The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
    - Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

    "The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
    - Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833

    "For it is a truth, which the experience of ages has attested, that the people are always most in danger when the means of injuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
    - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25, December 21, 1787

    "If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
    - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

    I could go on and on this took almost a minute to find but then you are a moron.

    An awful lot of militia quotes for a gal who thinks that language is irrelevant.
    Does shit dribble from your ears? Serious question.
    Funny. Yet so many of these quotes also have nothing to do with your claim.

    And you still haven’t explained how the Constitution calls for its own overthrowing.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,965
    pawz said:

    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    "Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
    - James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

    "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
    - James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789

    "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
    - William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783

    “A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
    - Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

    "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
    - Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

    "This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction."
    - St. George Tucker, Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1803

    "The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like law, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance ofpower is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside. And while a single nation refuses to lay them down, it is proper that all should keep them up. Horrid mischief would ensue were one-half the world deprived of the use of them; for while avarice and ambition have a place in the heart of man, the weak will become a prey to the strong. The history of every age and nation establishes these truths, and facts need but little arguments when they prove themselves."
    - Thomas Paine, "Thoughts on Defensive War" in Pennsylvania Magazine, July 1775

    "The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
    - Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

    "The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
    - Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833

    "For it is a truth, which the experience of ages has attested, that the people are always most in danger when the means of injuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
    - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25, December 21, 1787

    "If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
    - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

    I could go on and on this took almost a minute to find but then you are a moron.

    An awful lot of militia quotes for a gal who thinks that language is irrelevant. A lot of non-founders too.
    See. We? knew he wouldn't understand without any pictures.

    Take your time. You might come up with something clever.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,965

    Sledog said:

    "Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
    - James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

    "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
    - James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789

    "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
    - William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783

    “A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
    - Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

    "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
    - Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

    "This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction."
    - St. George Tucker, Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1803

    "The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like law, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance ofpower is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside. And while a single nation refuses to lay them down, it is proper that all should keep them up. Horrid mischief would ensue were one-half the world deprived of the use of them; for while avarice and ambition have a place in the heart of man, the weak will become a prey to the strong. The history of every age and nation establishes these truths, and facts need but little arguments when they prove themselves."
    - Thomas Paine, "Thoughts on Defensive War" in Pennsylvania Magazine, July 1775

    "The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
    - Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

    "The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
    - Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833

    "For it is a truth, which the experience of ages has attested, that the people are always most in danger when the means of injuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
    - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25, December 21, 1787

    "If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
    - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

    I could go on and on this took almost a minute to find but then you are a moron.

    Here's the picture for H


    William Pitt, Founding Father, for the win!

    Race is undefeated. He says.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,965

    My favorite founding father quote about guns is this one:

    "The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. Except for HHusky. That fucktard should not have any means of protecting himself."
    - Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788
    Asshole made a funny.

    Please clap.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,829 Standard Supporter
    Dazzler can't even understand that the militia is the people not the military. But he says he's schmart!
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,965
    Sledog said:

    Dazzler can't even understand that the militia is the people not the military. But he says he's schmart!

    Well regulated. By whom, Mall Cop?