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  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    "There's that word again 'competent'. It's clearly a conservative term."
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,610 Founders Club
    hardhat said:

    "There's that word again 'competent'. It's clearly a conservative term."

    It's a problematic sign of white supremacy.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,935 Founders Club

    hardhat said:

    "There's that word again 'competent'. It's clearly a conservative term."

    It's a problematic sign of white supremacy.
    Some people are saying

    Not us in the media mind you. But some people are saying
  • whlinder
    whlinder Member Posts: 5,406
    "It seems like" is a great anecdotal approach to evaluating a system which has plenty of passenger safety statistics over a long period of time. It's nice that plane tracking and radar software is now accessible to the masses so these things can come to light and the system can continue to improve. However, I can also promise you runway conflicts forcing go-arounds occurred way before the past 3 years. Anecdotally. I've seen it. Is it worse statistically? I honestly don't know.

    Hiring practices were an issue before COVID and aren't related to equity, whatever that means. Atlas Air 3591 is the clear example of this. An apparently qualified First Officer, getting through the hiring and training process, sending a 767 straight into the water because he can't maintain situational awareness. That rests with the system to identify in its hiring and training practices in the context of a labor shortage. I strongly doubt the system has been loosened to make it easier to get into a pilot seat in the past 3 years; hopefully the gaps identified through that disaster have been addressed.

    https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/legacy-of-a-lie-the-crash-of-atlas-air-flight-3591-519a3a7bd6ec
    In an addendum to the report, NTSB Vice Chairman Bruce Landsberg chose to look at the big picture. If we focus on Aska’s human failings, on the legacy of his lie, we miss the real safety lessons. How many other pilots just like Conrad Jules Aska are out there right now, one accidental go-around mode activation away from disaster? The responsibility to keep them out of airline cockpits must lie with the system itself — and Landsberg believed that that system failed. Regarding the FAA’s long-delayed implementation of the pilot records database, he wrote, “I can see no good reason as to why it should have taken that long.” Addressing industry pushback, he added, “If you think monitoring, training or getting a solid background check on a prospective pilot candidate is expensive, try having an accident.”

  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,935 Founders Club
    whlinder said:

    "It seems like" is a great anecdotal approach to evaluating a system which has plenty of passenger safety statistics over a long period of time. It's nice that plane tracking and radar software is now accessible to the masses so these things can come to light and the system can continue to improve. However, I can also promise you runway conflicts forcing go-arounds occurred way before the past 3 years. Anecdotally. I've seen it. Is it worse statistically? I honestly don't know.

    Hiring practices were an issue before COVID and aren't related to equity, whatever that means. Atlas Air 3591 is the clear example of this. An apparently qualified First Officer, getting through the hiring and training process, sending a 767 straight into the water because he can't maintain situational awareness. That rests with the system to identify in its hiring and training practices in the context of a labor shortage. I strongly doubt the system has been loosened to make it easier to get into a pilot seat in the past 3 years; hopefully the gaps identified through that disaster have been addressed.

    https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/legacy-of-a-lie-the-crash-of-atlas-air-flight-3591-519a3a7bd6ec

    In an addendum to the report, NTSB Vice Chairman Bruce Landsberg chose to look at the big picture. If we focus on Aska’s human failings, on the legacy of his lie, we miss the real safety lessons. How many other pilots just like Conrad Jules Aska are out there right now, one accidental go-around mode activation away from disaster? The responsibility to keep them out of airline cockpits must lie with the system itself — and Landsberg believed that that system failed. Regarding the FAA’s long-delayed implementation of the pilot records database, he wrote, “I can see no good reason as to why it should have taken that long.” Addressing industry pushback, he added, “If you think monitoring, training or getting a solid background check on a prospective pilot candidate is expensive, try having an accident.”

    Quite honestly I don't disagree

    Covid with a side of mandates probably culled the herd. Lot of industries are playing catch up. Like construction. It's pathetic these days.

    Wasn't Teneriffe a runway collision? In the 70s

    Anyway my weekly flights to Spokane are done for now. So I'm good
  • Goduckies
    Goduckies Member Posts: 8,099 Standard Supporter

    whlinder said:

    "It seems like" is a great anecdotal approach to evaluating a system which has plenty of passenger safety statistics over a long period of time. It's nice that plane tracking and radar software is now accessible to the masses so these things can come to light and the system can continue to improve. However, I can also promise you runway conflicts forcing go-arounds occurred way before the past 3 years. Anecdotally. I've seen it. Is it worse statistically? I honestly don't know.

    Hiring practices were an issue before COVID and aren't related to equity, whatever that means. Atlas Air 3591 is the clear example of this. An apparently qualified First Officer, getting through the hiring and training process, sending a 767 straight into the water because he can't maintain situational awareness. That rests with the system to identify in its hiring and training practices in the context of a labor shortage. I strongly doubt the system has been loosened to make it easier to get into a pilot seat in the past 3 years; hopefully the gaps identified through that disaster have been addressed.

    https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/legacy-of-a-lie-the-crash-of-atlas-air-flight-3591-519a3a7bd6ec

    In an addendum to the report, NTSB Vice Chairman Bruce Landsberg chose to look at the big picture. If we focus on Aska’s human failings, on the legacy of his lie, we miss the real safety lessons. How many other pilots just like Conrad Jules Aska are out there right now, one accidental go-around mode activation away from disaster? The responsibility to keep them out of airline cockpits must lie with the system itself — and Landsberg believed that that system failed. Regarding the FAA’s long-delayed implementation of the pilot records database, he wrote, “I can see no good reason as to why it should have taken that long.” Addressing industry pushback, he added, “If you think monitoring, training or getting a solid background check on a prospective pilot candidate is expensive, try having an accident.”

    Quite honestly I don't disagree

    Covid with a side of mandates probably culled the herd. Lot of industries are playing catch up. Like construction. It's pathetic these days.

    Wasn't Teneriffe a runway collision? In the 70s

    Anyway my weekly flights to Spokane are done for now. So I'm good
    Teneriffe was the worst ever a KLM 747 slammed into a Pan Am 747 in dense fog and tjwy were only there due to a terrorist act at La Palma... it cleared up so then the planes were flying to there and the KLM pilot was in too big a hurry. A few survived on Pan Am amazingly. Very sad.
  • RoadTrip
    RoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,305 Founders Club
    Swaye said:

    At least we have a highly competent Transportation Secretary


    RAT approved and promoted child abuse.
  • whlinder
    whlinder Member Posts: 5,406

    whlinder said:

    "It seems like" is a great anecdotal approach to evaluating a system which has plenty of passenger safety statistics over a long period of time. It's nice that plane tracking and radar software is now accessible to the masses so these things can come to light and the system can continue to improve. However, I can also promise you runway conflicts forcing go-arounds occurred way before the past 3 years. Anecdotally. I've seen it. Is it worse statistically? I honestly don't know.

    Hiring practices were an issue before COVID and aren't related to equity, whatever that means. Atlas Air 3591 is the clear example of this. An apparently qualified First Officer, getting through the hiring and training process, sending a 767 straight into the water because he can't maintain situational awareness. That rests with the system to identify in its hiring and training practices in the context of a labor shortage. I strongly doubt the system has been loosened to make it easier to get into a pilot seat in the past 3 years; hopefully the gaps identified through that disaster have been addressed.

    https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/legacy-of-a-lie-the-crash-of-atlas-air-flight-3591-519a3a7bd6ec

    In an addendum to the report, NTSB Vice Chairman Bruce Landsberg chose to look at the big picture. If we focus on Aska’s human failings, on the legacy of his lie, we miss the real safety lessons. How many other pilots just like Conrad Jules Aska are out there right now, one accidental go-around mode activation away from disaster? The responsibility to keep them out of airline cockpits must lie with the system itself — and Landsberg believed that that system failed. Regarding the FAA’s long-delayed implementation of the pilot records database, he wrote, “I can see no good reason as to why it should have taken that long.” Addressing industry pushback, he added, “If you think monitoring, training or getting a solid background check on a prospective pilot candidate is expensive, try having an accident.”

    Quite honestly I don't disagree

    Covid with a side of mandates probably culled the herd. Lot of industries are playing catch up. Like construction. It's pathetic these days.

    Wasn't Teneriffe a runway collision? In the 70s

    Anyway my weekly flights to Spokane are done for now. So I'm good
    Yes Tenerife was in the mid-70s. Terrible event but needed like 30 things to go wrong for that to happen. Far more relevant was the LAX runway crash in the 90s where the controller basically forgot that a prop plane was told to taxi onto the runway and hold while a 737 was cleared to land. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_runway_disaster