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Can we offer this Ukranian solider a scholarship?

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  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 16,439 Standard Supporter

    "Sales of U.S. military equipment to foreign governments rose 49% to $205.6 billion in the latest fiscal year, the U.S. State Department said on Wednesday." Hth.

    We didn't borrow trillions to give away. This is just FS.

    We sent a bunch of old expiring hardware that had already been paid for not new equipment that shows up on fiscal year 2022. How does that get invested in Oil and Gas?

    Sounds like you failed accounting 101 let alone any econ.
    Yeah, we didn't borrow trillions. But somehow today our national debt is now $31.5 trillion and it was $28.5 trillion on February 26, 2020. Plus we have printed close to $6 trillion in money since covid hit. And what did we do with all that money? We sent checks (free sh*t) to almost everyone. So, once again, the $100 billion we sent to the Ukraine is a drop in the bucket and wasn't the impetus for some huge economic recovery from the chicom crud. Sales of arms to countries that will actually pay us back is an economic win for the US. The key is that the Ukraine is never going to pay us back for any loans. So, it's an economic loss.

    You really need to take some economics before sounding like the dementia patient and claim that Milton Friedman is no longer in charge. The point about oil and gas investment is that it is private money that is expected to be returned as loan repayments or investment earnings. The US printing money and borrowing raises the cost of private investing and thus competes for free market investment with government giveaways that are generally counter productive, like funding student loans for ethnic studies. Let's see if any of your fellow Team America World police want to jump on your illiterate take.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 17,015 Swaye's Wigwam

    Yeah, we didn't borrow trillions. But somehow today our national debt is now $31.5 trillion and it was $28.5 trillion on February 26, 2020. Plus we have printed close to $6 trillion in money since covid hit. And what did we do with all that money? We sent checks (free sh*t) to almost everyone. So, once again, the $100 billion we sent to the Ukraine is a drop in the bucket and wasn't the impetus for some huge economic recovery from the chicom crud. Sales of arms to countries that will actually pay us back is an economic win for the US. The key is that the Ukraine is never going to pay us back for any loans. So, it's an economic loss.

    You really need to take some economics before sounding like the dementia patient and claim that Milton Friedman is no longer in charge. The point about oil and gas investment is that it is private money that is expected to be returned as loan repayments or investment earnings. The US printing money and borrowing raises the cost of private investing and thus competes for free market investment with government giveaways that are generally counter productive, like funding student loans for ethnic studies. Let's see if any of your fellow Team America World police want to jump on your illiterate take.
    Lol are you fucking Gnu here?
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 17,015 Swaye's Wigwam

    Yeah, we didn't borrow trillions. But somehow today our national debt is now $31.5 trillion and it was $28.5 trillion on February 26, 2020. Plus we have printed close to $6 trillion in money since covid hit. And what did we do with all that money? We sent checks (free sh*t) to almost everyone. So, once again, the $100 billion we sent to the Ukraine is a drop in the bucket and wasn't the impetus for some huge economic recovery from the chicom crud. Sales of arms to countries that will actually pay us back is an economic win for the US. The key is that the Ukraine is never going to pay us back for any loans. So, it's an economic loss.

    You really need to take some economics before sounding like the dementia patient and claim that Milton Friedman is no longer in charge. The point about oil and gas investment is that it is private money that is expected to be returned as loan repayments or investment earnings. The US printing money and borrowing raises the cost of private investing and thus competes for free market investment with government giveaways that are generally counter productive, like funding student loans for ethnic studies. Let's see if any of your fellow Team America World police want to jump on your illiterate take.
    Wildly swings about screeching about US debt to conflate the argument. Austerity! Sorry, not sorry, defense budgets might need cut but I'd argue this is the greatest $ per defense the US has gotten in decades. Maybe cut out current defense aid to the Middle East first.

    You do realize that we didn't put $100B in cash on a plane and send it over right?

    Most of the stuff being sent was earmarked on a budget from the time Reagan/Bush/Clinton were in office.

    It's now doing what it was designed for, blowing up Russians. Even better it's being done with no American blood being spilled.
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 16,439 Standard Supporter

    Wildly swings about screeching about US debt to conflate the argument. Austerity! Sorry, not sorry, defense budgets might need cut but I'd argue this is the greatest $ per defense the US has gotten in decades. Maybe cut out current defense aid to the Middle East first.

    You do realize that we didn't put $100B in cash on a plane and send it over right?

    Most of the stuff being sent was earmarked on a budget from the time Reagan/Bush/Clinton were in office.

    It's now doing what it was designed for, blowing up Russians. Even better it's being done with no American blood being spilled.
    It wasn't me that claimed that shipping arms and money to Ukraine was the reason for our limp economic recovery. "Except I already did explain that defense exports literally took us out of a recession." I said actual sales would benefit the economy. Give aways of anything don't help the economy.

    It wasn't me that said, "We didn't borrow trillions to give away. This is just FS."

    So, we are back to the fact that we get no economic benefit for giving money and arms we will need to replace to Ukraine and we are back to blowing up Russians is Team America, World Police as virtue signaling while Ukraine is being destroyed. Sounds familiar. Rinse, lather and repeat. I'll wait for PGOS to come off the ropes and tell me again that backing the Ukraine is a good thing because it's a good thing. And then you can try again to explain how we are economically benefiting.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 46,205 Standard Supporter
    edited February 2023
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 35,580 Standard Supporter

    "Sales of U.S. military equipment to foreign governments rose 49% to $205.6 billion in the latest fiscal year, the U.S. State Department said on Wednesday." Hth.

    We didn't borrow trillions to give away. This is just FS.

    We sent a bunch of old expiring hardware that had already been paid for not new equipment that shows up on fiscal year 2022. How does that get invested in Oil and Gas?

    Sounds like you failed accounting 101 let alone any econ.
    I guarantee our old shit will kill new Chinese and Russian shit. Still useful if the shit hits the fan. Where are the embedded reporters? Why are there no regular news footage of Ukraine/ Russia? Something smells.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 17,015 Swaye's Wigwam

    It wasn't me that claimed that shipping arms and money to Ukraine was the reason for our limp economic recovery. "Except I already did explain that defense exports literally took us out of a recession." I said actual sales would benefit the economy. Give aways of anything don't help the economy.

    It wasn't me that said, "We didn't borrow trillions to give away. This is just FS."

    So, we are back to the fact that we get no economic benefit for giving money and arms we will need to replace to Ukraine and we are back to blowing up Russians is Team America, World Police as virtue signaling while Ukraine is being destroyed. Sounds familiar. Rinse, lather and repeat. I'll wait for PGOS to come off the ropes and tell me again that backing the Ukraine is a good thing because it's a good thing. And then you can try again to explain how we are economically benefiting.
    Except Nato donations to Ukraine meant Nato countries buying billions more in defense from US defense suppliers.

    You seem to lack a basic ability to follow. Let me help, we doubled our sales of weapons to countries not named Ukraine. Not loans, sales.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 17,015 Swaye's Wigwam



    This is the Throbbers position on any intervention in foreign affairs.

    And, no, not willing to die for Ukraine. Not even close.



    False binary.

    That's also isolationism in a nutshell. If it isn't the US then do nothing. Tell me how it isn't.

    There's about ten thousand shades between sending troops to die and doing nothing.

    Help spell out where exactly on that line you fall. Should the US stop selling Ukraine goods entirely? Use your own words, not a tweet if you can.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 35,580 Standard Supporter
    edited February 2023

    Except Nato donations to Ukraine meant Nato countries buying billions more in defense from US defense suppliers.

    You seem to lack a basic ability to follow. Let me help, we doubled our sales of weapons to countries not named Ukraine. Not loans, sales.
    Old German tanks are made in Germany. What did they send? A half dozen? NATO needs to pony up.
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 16,439 Standard Supporter

    Except Nato donations to Ukraine meant Nato countries buying billions more in defense from US defense suppliers.

    You seem to lack a basic ability to follow. Let me help, we doubled our sales of weapons to countries not named Ukraine. Not loans, sales.
    I said real sales are a benefit. You seem to lack a basic ability to follow. Our transactions with Ukraine either cash or pretend sales which will never be paid back are not a benefit. Unlike you, I can separate the wheat from the chaff. Again, those transactions are either paid with more debt or by printing money. I'm not the one playing unicorn economics.

    If NATO wants to protect Ukraine, let them. They don't, their transactions with Ukraine are a small fraction of ours if you were using any basic ability to follow the money and arms transactions.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 17,015 Swaye's Wigwam
    edited February 2023
    Sledog said:

    Old German tanks are made in Germany. What did they send? A half dozen? NATO needs to pony up.
    Ze Germans just shat a brick and are completely overhauling defense spending. It's going to take them a while to spin that up though. Still, they signed a $10B deal for F35's.

    Aerospace is probably going to be the real winner with the F-35 gaining a bunch of sales and orders from countries that previously thought of them as a luxury item.

    Poland on the other hand just bought $6b worth of Abrams alone after sending their T-72's to Ukraine.

    Then you have Sweden and Finland becoming Nato integrated(read now will buy American shit).
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 16,439 Standard Supporter

    Ze Germans just shat a brick and are completely overhauling defense spending. It's going to take them a while to spin that up though. Still, they signed a $10B deal for F35's.

    Aerospace is probably going to be the real winner with the F-35 gaining a bunch of sales and orders from countries that previously thought of them as a luxury item.

    Poland on the other hand just bought $6b worth of Abrams alone after sending their T-72's to Ukraine.

    Then you have Sweden and Finland becoming Nato integrated(read now will buy American shit).
    Let me know when we get within $50 billion of getting out of the hole we are still digging with no end in sight.

    PS Sales don't equal profit. Give aways are 100% expensed to the bottom line. Some more of that finance sh*t I picked up as a CPA for which you need some actual ability to understand numbers and sh*t.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 17,015 Swaye's Wigwam

    Let me know when we get within $50 billion of getting out of the hole we are still digging with no end in sight.

    PS Sales don't equal profit. Give aways are 100% expensed to the bottom line. Some more of that finance sh*t I picked up as a CPA for which you need some actual ability to understand numbers and sh*t.
    Are CPA's experts at moving goalposts?

    Bc they sure as shit aren't economics experts. You'd probably want someone with oh idk, an economics degree or something...
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 46,205 Standard Supporter

    False binary.

    That's also isolationism in a nutshell. If it isn't the US then do nothing. Tell me how it isn't.

    There's about ten thousand shades between sending troops to die and doing nothing.

    Help spell out where exactly on that line you fall. Should the US stop selling Ukraine goods entirely? Use your own words, not a tweet if you can.
    It's not a false binary or whatever catchphrase you want to attach. A war in Ukraine threatens neither me, my family or any "national security" of US citizens. It is a war between two neighboring states that have warred for centuries. Not our circus, not our monkeys.

    Because you've clearly been conditioned to play a global game of Risk, that does not absolve the immorality of encouraging the loss of innocent lives. And, yes, the US should stop selling weapons of war to the Ukraine for that reason.

    Why would the US stop selling tangible goods to either Ukraine or Russia?

    We ain't got no quarrel with them Russians.

    Or something like that, eh, @RaceBannon?

  • 46XiJCAB46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967

    Except Nato donations to Ukraine meant Nato countries buying billions more in defense from US defense suppliers.

    You seem to lack a basic ability to follow. Let me help, we doubled our sales of weapons to countries not named Ukraine. Not loans, sales.
    Buying billions from US defense contractors.

    We’re saving a DeMoCrAcY!

    MIC for the WIN!
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    46XiJCAB said:

    Buying billions from US defense contractors.

    We’re saving a DeMoCrAcY!

    MIC for the WIN!
    What’s your favorite Dixie Chicks song?

    Fuck, excuse my deadnaming, The Chicks song?
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 46,205 Standard Supporter
    edited February 2023

    Except Nato donations to Ukraine meant Nato countries buying billions more in defense from US defense suppliers.

    You seem to lack a basic ability to follow. Let me help, we doubled our sales of weapons to countries not named Ukraine. Not loans, sales.
    So if the Chinese are selling billions of dollars of fentanyl to the cartels to dish off to Americans it’s, you know, just business.

  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 16,439 Standard Supporter
    With the full backing of the dementia patient that we will stand with Ukraine forever and OUR goal is ejecting Russian from the Ukraine and deposing Putin, these words from the Ukrainian Churchill would be worrisome except that PGOS and Doog_Bot have assured us that there is no risk of a Russian nuclear response and that the moral and economic benefits to the US outweigh any attempt to reach a settlement.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zelensky-says-ukraine-preparing-attack-crimea


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