Can we offer this Ukranian solider a scholarship?

UW_Doog_Bot said:

WestlinnDuck said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

WestlinnDuck said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

But ma "nuclear threat" is literally a RT talking point aimed at audiences in the West to make housewives nervous about supporting Ukraine with war material. It's unmanly to say the least that so many here are hiding under the rug of appeasement out of political tribalism. Trump was for big swinging dick deterence and so am I.

The fact is that actual Nato would wipe the fucking floor with Russia in a traditional conflict. That's pretty fucking obvious at this point since Russia can't even take a third world tin pot cleptocracy like Ukraine even before the Western support arrived.

That means that the nuclear card is literally Russia's last option for deterence and keeping Nato out of actual boots on ground. They won't use it for anything short of existential threat such as ze' Germans rolling on Moscow again.

"Losing" the war in Ukraine isn't an existential threat for Putin. He has achieved the goal of "de-nazification" and whatever other RT decides to propagandize. If anything, he's used the war to consolidate power, lock Russia down further, rid it of decent, and eliminate rivals. See what he's currently doing to Pregotion and Wagner in Backhmut after he got too upity.

Come at me bro with trying to tell me I don't know shit or need to do research. I've been following this since the Orange revolution. Go Google it bitch.

Outside of feeling good about being the world's policeman, once again how is spending hundreds of billions of dollars that we don't have so that it's Ukrainian theftocrats stealing from us and Ukrainians versus having Russian theftocrats stealing from the Ukrainians? Does this make the world safer for American citizens? Does it make the US wealthier? Does it educate our kids?

Hundreds of billions? Funny math at best. Right up there with calling Bradley's high tech.

Sending cold War era surplus and slapping a "new cost of replacement" sticker on it isn't going to change how schools are funded(which the federal government shouldn't be doing btw).

Clearing out our surplus that was built to kill Russians and selling it to Europe to kill Russians with is basically the best possible outcome for the US. Otherwise we'd be paying for decommissioning and disposal(which costs more than sending it to UKR).

If you want to argue about how the replacement money is spent that's a different discussion about US defense budgets.

Sorry not sorry, this is such an easy win from the US perspective.

Is there a bunch of pork rolled into it? Definitely. Again, learn to be able to distinguish the difference.

I just pointed out that we aren't sending just "old" military assets to Ukraine. It's all stuff that actually works - like brand new Bradley's, M-1 tanks and state of the artillery and Javelin anti-tank missiles. What we are sending will need to be replaced as we run low on artillery shells and Javelin missiles.

Both doog_but and PGOS still won't say how it is a win with spending that will hit hundreds of billions in this eternal war. How is the US benefited by spending money we don't have? Stronger economy? Lower debt? Lower inflation? More oil and gas production. Better education for our kids? Closing the southern border? Nope, it's better for America because it's a "win".

Bradley's and M1's are old. So are Javelins. We are cycling out our old artillery shells which unlike the Russians we actually do use the expiration dates on instead of letting them blow up. Are you living in a fog of the early 2000's?

All of these things we no longer have to maintain or pay for disposal and can instead buy new kit.

That's before we get into how we now are selling billions in old kit to Nato to then spend on our new shit.

I'm not sure how many ways you need it said but a bit let down by the room following along with this stupid line of reasoning.

Sledog said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

46XiJCAB said:

Then Ukraine doesn’t need any of the good stuff cause they’re kicking ass, right?

Maybe we still have a few Sherman’s sitting around they can use to kick ass.

$500M more today. Joey giving aid to the people of Ukraine to ease their suffering. Much better than calling for peace so Putin can save face.


JFC.

Ukraine hasn't gotten any of the good stuff. They are defending their civilians from massacres like Bucha with a hodgepodge of old Western and Soviet gear

M1 Abrams of any model are good stuff. So are many of the other sustenance being sent. Can't wait for Russia to get their hands on them for their secret armor. Should be good right?

RaceBannon said:

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RaceBannon said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

I don't really give a shit about the corrupt Ukrainian government. I do feel bad for Ukrainians. That said it's their fight. I see no reason to not sell them the guns to do it though(even at a discount). A reduced Russia is good for us and everyone except Putin.

I'd be happy sending weapons to Taiwan to kill the Chinese as well.

It's weird how divisive that is for some of you.

It's a lot more than selling some guns

Its weird to minimize that

It's weird to lump pension checks in with defense weapons I agree.

So why do so many here keep doing that same thing.

No way in fuck do I think Ukraine should get blank checks or even f-15's let alone actual new tech like f-35(which is still old enough we sell it globally btw).

Some of the retards here still seem to think the M1 that served in the first Iraq war is new tech just because it's still in service. The B52 stratofortress is still in service too.

Russia has been supplying our active enemies for 20+ years. Payback is a bitch and there's literally nothing they can do about it.

It's lumped in because you want to minimize what's really happening

This has nothing to do with Russia. Hell they're making money too like the Biden's and Cocaine Mitch

pawz said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

Bob_C said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

RaceBannon said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

RaceBannon said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

I don't really give a shit about the corrupt Ukrainian government. I do feel bad for Ukrainians. That said it's their fight. I see no reason to not sell them the guns to do it though(even at a discount). A reduced Russia is good for us and everyone except Putin.

I'd be happy sending weapons to Taiwan to kill the Chinese as well.

It's weird how divisive that is for some of you.

It's a lot more than selling some guns

Its weird to minimize that

It's weird to lump pension checks in with defense weapons I agree.

So why do so many here keep doing that same thing.

No way in fuck do I think Ukraine should get blank checks or even f-15's let alone actual new tech like f-35(which is still old enough we sell it globally btw).

Some of the retards here still seem to think the M1 that served in the first Iraq war is new tech just because it's still in service. The B52 stratofortress is still in service too.

Russia has been supplying our active enemies for 20+ years. Payback is a bitch and there's literally nothing they can do about it.

It's lumped in because you want to minimize what's really happening

This has nothing to do with Russia. Hell they're making money too like the Biden's and Cocaine Mitch

What do you people not get. This has EVERYTHING to do with Russia. Russia is the country that started a fucking land war in Europe. Christ on a stick. Russia invaded Ukraine!

It has everything to do with Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Russia.

Afghanistan was 100% justified, as was supplying and providing advice in Syria and Ukraine.

The fact we pulled out of Afghanistan infuriates me. I bet we invade again when the wheels of war need some grease and the US wants some combat experiences

Vietnam and Iraq were mistakes IMO, but Iraq might actually be a functioning country someday which is Chinteresting. Still doesnt justify the military industrial Cheney clusterfuck that is was.

Libya and Yemen, who cares. Small potatoes.

Stop painting with a broad brush and get some perspective. Not every war is the same.

JFC.

Might be time to bring back quoting posts in sigs. This gem is right up there.

pawz said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

pawz said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

RaceBannon said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

RaceBannon said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

I don't really give a shit about the corrupt Ukrainian government. I do feel bad for Ukrainians. That said it's their fight. I see no reason to not sell them the guns to do it though(even at a discount). A reduced Russia is good for us and everyone except Putin.

I'd be happy sending weapons to Taiwan to kill the Chinese as well.

It's weird how divisive that is for some of you.

It's a lot more than selling some guns

Its weird to minimize that

It's weird to lump pension checks in with defense weapons I agree.

So why do so many here keep doing that same thing.

No way in fuck do I think Ukraine should get blank checks or even f-15's let alone actual new tech like f-35(which is still old enough we sell it globally btw).

Some of the retards here still seem to think the M1 that served in the first Iraq war is new tech just because it's still in service. The B52 stratofortress is still in service too.

Russia has been supplying our active enemies for 20+ years. Payback is a bitch and there's literally nothing they can do about it.

It's lumped in because you want to minimize what's really happening

This has nothing to do with Russia. Hell they're making money too like the Biden's and Cocaine Mitch

What do you people not get. This has EVERYTHING to do with Russia. Russia is the country that started a fucking land war in Europe. Christ on a stick. Russia invaded Ukraine!

It's telling that you think the history of the conflict begins in February 2022. Like how DuckFan that thinks the history of college football started in 1994.

You don't know why it's telling because establishment media wont tell you.

You assume a lot and say very little. This shitshow had been brewing for quite a while. Obama was pathetic in 2014 and is the biggest catalyst to today's events.

Stop making excuses for Russia. They escalated things dramatically with a full scale invasion that for the most part has been a catastrophe

Your unintelligible reference to Obama notwithstanding, are you aware Zelenski more than doubled the shelling of the Donbas in the months leading up to Russia's invasion?

What would cause Zelenski to want to shell the Donbass in the first place?

How long has this shelling been going on for? Again to what aim?


A bit of intellectual curiosity would go a long way.

pawz said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

Bob_C said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

Bob_C said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

RaceBannon said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

RaceBannon said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

I don't really give a shit about the corrupt Ukrainian government. I do feel bad for Ukrainians. That said it's their fight. I see no reason to not sell them the guns to do it though(even at a discount). A reduced Russia is good for us and everyone except Putin.

I'd be happy sending weapons to Taiwan to kill the Chinese as well.

It's weird how divisive that is for some of you.

It's a lot more than selling some guns

Its weird to minimize that

It's weird to lump pension checks in with defense weapons I agree.

So why do so many here keep doing that same thing.

No way in fuck do I think Ukraine should get blank checks or even f-15's let alone actual new tech like f-35(which is still old enough we sell it globally btw).

Some of the retards here still seem to think the M1 that served in the first Iraq war is new tech just because it's still in service. The B52 stratofortress is still in service too.

Russia has been supplying our active enemies for 20+ years. Payback is a bitch and there's literally nothing they can do about it.

It's lumped in because you want to minimize what's really happening

This has nothing to do with Russia. Hell they're making money too like the Biden's and Cocaine Mitch

What do you people not get. This has EVERYTHING to do with Russia. Russia is the country that started a fucking land war in Europe. Christ on a stick. Russia invaded Ukraine!

It has everything to do with Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Russia.

Afghanistan was 100% justified, as was supplying and providing advise in Syria and Ukraine.

Vietnam and Iraq were mistakes IMO, but Iraq might actually be a functioning country someday which is Chinteresting. Still doesnt justify the military industrial Cheney clusterfuck that is was.

Libya and Yemen, who cares. Small potatoes.

Stop painting with a broad brush and get some perspective. Not every war is the same.

Whatever they tell you about a war on the news and the NYT and basically everyone else is propaganda. Sad you haven’t realized that yet. I’m not pretending to know what is going on on the ground and back room diplomacy unlike you. Just easy to spot the bullshit.

I dont know shit about fuck. But I know enough to see that Putin and Russia are evil, wannabe imperialists that bit off FAR more than they can chew.

They showed their hand, and it was closer to a 2 7 off suit than it was a pair of aces.

This is clear to most.

This is what history will say about the US and UKR after the petrodollar falls.

Since you like poker analogies, the West is severely overplaying their hand. There won't even be a Pyrrhic victory for the West when this is over.

I suggest you look up the BRICS and their plans.

Our imperialist machinations drove the BRICS into each other's arms.



Make no mistake, I don't want to be right.