Can we offer this Ukranian solider a scholarship?
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Only 3 pages into this thread and I’m thinking the Tug needs a Classics bored.
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Azovs aren’t Nazis any more just like Joe Biden isn’t a racist.Sledog said:Other way around Nazi boy. Azov battalion. look it up. They have more than that. The Ukraine citizens fear them greatly.
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Seriously the #1 thing to do if you really wanted to make RUS squirm. So simple, so elementary, so obvious to the critical mind. Yet Biden and PGOS are so far away.PurpleThrobber said:
Then that's what the US should have done - choked them out economically. Flood the market with cheap gas (RIP, Ralphie May).WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
Instead the big dick swinging chickenhawks want to throw down against him in some god forsaken corrupt country to protect their money-laundering operations and illegal bio-weapons labs.
But but DEMOCRACY!
But muh green new deal.
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Hunter’s laptop puts him on title for the biolabs you think don’t exist. Please keep up.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
It’s fun to have some new blood around here to kick around, but you are woefully ignorant. At least you have the cia propaganda down.
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100000000% this.RaceBannon said:
Why don't you do some fucking basic research?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
How is Zelensky a piece of shit?RaceBannon said:
I've heard all the bullshit from Cocaine Mitch and Biden and the rest of the shitheadsPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Go ahead and ignore the other points I've made, I guess.RaceBannon said:
You guys are retardedPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Thanks buddy, you're bringing a lot to the table on the subjectRaceBannon said:
Nice argument shit for brainsPostGameOrangeSlices said:damn you guys are retarded
Really sold it fuckwad
Appeasing Russia is not good policy.
Maybe you and Liz Cheney should get your ass over there and defend democracy
Or Nazis. Zelensky is a piece of shit
This is some weird shit. I expect better from you and Throbber.
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100000000% this.RaceBannon said:
Why don't you do some fucking basic research?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
How is Zelensky a piece of shit?RaceBannon said:
I've heard all the bullshit from Cocaine Mitch and Biden and the rest of the shitheadsPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Go ahead and ignore the other points I've made, I guess.RaceBannon said:
You guys are retardedPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Thanks buddy, you're bringing a lot to the table on the subjectRaceBannon said:
Nice argument shit for brainsPostGameOrangeSlices said:damn you guys are retarded
Really sold it fuckwad
Appeasing Russia is not good policy.
Maybe you and Liz Cheney should get your ass over there and defend democracy
Or Nazis. Zelensky is a piece of shit
This is some weird shit. I expect better from you and Throbber.
Do you understand that what was happening in UKR during 2014 was a US backed coup?PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
sure.gifPostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
And perhaps you need to do some research on the Azov Regiment on just whom is murdering whom.
There is absolutely 0 evidence that bioweapons were being developed in Ukraine. You fell hook, line, and sinker for that Russian BS.
Very familiar with Azov Regiment and their Neo Nazi bullshit. They absolutely deserve to be called out on that. However, Azov was hanging out in Mariupol and defending against Russian incursions since 2014. Azov isn't the aggressor in this conflict.
Additionally, Azov has been more or less purged of Nazis.
On the flip side, are you familiar with the Wagner PMC group?
I’ll answer for you. No. If you did, it would go a long way toward understanding how this conflict was actually promulgated.
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Then I would like our? $100 BILLION dollars back.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:
So, why is this our fight? All of these places are corrupt theftocracies. Why should I care if the theftocrats are Russian or Georgian or Ukrainian? Did we turn Afghanistan or Iraq into a New Hampshire town hall democracy? Easy question. Don't hurt yourself. I'd rather focus on the real threat of China. Why don't you?PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:
Your just phucking strawman ass with the USSR 2.0 bull shit. No one is rooting for Putin. It's just not our fight. And Putin's army is no threat to western Europe and if it is, then let them deal with it. We have no upside on this and the downside is the death of hundreds of millions of Americans.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
There is no strawman bullshit with this take, what the fuck do you think the point is of Russia invading Georgia, Crimea, now Ukraine, and trying to coup there way into power in Moldova? Fun and games?
This is Putin going for broke towards the end of his life to write himself into Russian history. Problem is, he is going to end up more like the last Tsars than he is Stalin.
It's not our fight dipshit. It is Ukraine's fight. That is why NATO and America do not have boots on the fucking ground.
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26 billion numbnutspawz said:
Then I would like our? $100 BILLION dollars back.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:
So, why is this our fight? All of these places are corrupt theftocracies. Why should I care if the theftocrats are Russian or Georgian or Ukrainian? Did we turn Afghanistan or Iraq into a New Hampshire town hall democracy? Easy question. Don't hurt yourself. I'd rather focus on the real threat of China. Why don't you?PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:
Your just phucking strawman ass with the USSR 2.0 bull shit. No one is rooting for Putin. It's just not our fight. And Putin's army is no threat to western Europe and if it is, then let them deal with it. We have no upside on this and the downside is the death of hundreds of millions of Americans.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
There is no strawman bullshit with this take, what the fuck do you think the point is of Russia invading Georgia, Crimea, now Ukraine, and trying to coup there way into power in Moldova? Fun and games?
This is Putin going for broke towards the end of his life to write himself into Russian history. Problem is, he is going to end up more like the last Tsars than he is Stalin.
It's not our fight dipshit. It is Ukraine's fight. That is why NATO and America do not have boots on the fucking ground.
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Zelensky and Ukraine are a million times better than Russia.RaceBannon said:
Why do you keep talking about Russia. Biden voterPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Holy fuck you are so fucking stupid. Suck Russia's dick harder. Those people getting jailed, those opposition parties, and the Russian Orthodox churches were supporting the fucking invasion.RaceBannon said:You don't defend democracy by jailing opponents and banning churches and opposition parties
Zelensky is a gutless punk hiding behind the EU bitch while his people die
Wake the fuck up
Russia literally had sympathizers in the mayor of Kherson and the local Ukranian general, who allowed the Russian military to waltz right into the city. Russia couldn't even hold on to that city.
For the record, if Trump won a second term I 100% believe this shitshow never happens. Trump did not fuck around, it was amazing when he blew Iran's general the fuck up. Trump would have told Putin to fuck right off and Putin would have listened.
Because Zelensky and Ukraine are no better
Fuck em all
America first
Russia is a has been bully that has got away with its bullshit for far too long. Obama did fucking nothing in 2014 when Russia waltzed into Crimea, it was pathetic.
Finally the US has grown some nuts regarding the situation, and dumb fucks like you are towing the line for a genocidal midget maniac.
It's honestly pathetic how ignorant you are on the topic. Educate yourself or shut the fuck up.
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The amount of Russian dick sucking and excuse making in this thread would have Regan spinning in his grave
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Nope. Them apples are definitely the same.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The South Vietnamese were totally inept. Ukraine has proven itself to be anything but.46XiJCAB said:
I’ve heard Putin was on his death bed since this thing started. The South Vietnamese just needed more equipment. Same shit different day.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Bob_C said:
So how much more money and time is required to get this big ROI payoff?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I'm 100% right on this topic.Bob_C said:
Embarrassing venture into the tug.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Smooth brain takes from both of you.
The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?
Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.
We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.
Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.
Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.
China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.
If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.
This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.
No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.
Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.
If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.
Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.
Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere
The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.
Defending democracy, even corrupt and struggling ones, is important. And we are doing it by giving said democracy old weapons and intelligence.
Having Russia gobble up ex USSR countries is not good for anyone.
The fact that Russia wasn't able to take down Ukraine in the first month of the war is embarrassing. The fact Russia can't even fly planes into Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is afraid to use the S-35 and T-14 in Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is pulling 50s and 60s tanks out of storage is embarrassing.
Everything about this is embarrassing for Russia and incredible to watch. The takes you guys have on the matter are embarrassing, too.
Time? As long as it takes until Russia fucks off, hopefully for good.
I get the monetary concerns, but this is a country that wasted trillions in Iraq and Afghanistan. As opposed to something like Iraq this is actually a good use of military funds. Again - most of the shit we are supplying them with is yesterday's news like HIMARS, Bradleys, and Abrams
Word on the street is that Putin isn't doing very well, health wise. One way or the other he doesn't survive for much longer after this clusterfuck.
Also, the North Vietnamese are 100 times the tacticians the Russians are today. They were badasses that fought the US hard, kicked Pol Pot's ass, then turned around and kicked China's ass. \
The US should never have been in Nam. Apples and oranges.
Door. Ass. Out. We belong.
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pawz said:
Nope. Them apples are definitely the same.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The South Vietnamese were totally inept. Ukraine has proven itself to be anything but.46XiJCAB said:
I’ve heard Putin was on his death bed since this thing started. The South Vietnamese just needed more equipment. Same shit different day.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Bob_C said:
So how much more money and time is required to get this big ROI payoff?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I'm 100% right on this topic.Bob_C said:
Embarrassing venture into the tug.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The US can't even pay for it's own problems, why the fuck would you want to get an 'ROI" on a corrupt piece of shit country and their corrupt POS leader?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Smooth brain takes from both of you.
The US, and NATO has spent how many billions, if not trillions, on R&D, weapon production, and all around planning for taking on a foe like Russia?
Now, our surplus stock in the hands of Ex-Soviet block countries is absolutely SHREDDING big bad Russia. It's actually amazing to watch, if you follow it and don't just gargle Tucker's balls on the topic.
We are basically eliminating Russia as a future threat to the world for pennies on the dollar.
Yes, I know Ukraine is corrupt. Yes, I know Burisma is a thing. I don't give a shit.
Russia is getting it's ass fucked by it's younger brother and Uncle Sam is getting a fantastic ROI. Plus, amazing intel on all things Russia - which has proven to be a complete paper tiger incapable of countering HIMARS artillery made by the US in...the 80s.
China is watching this shitshow with concern, too. They would never be able to sniff Taiwan, and they now know it.
If you can't grasp this is way, way, way more dangerous to our national security than Vietnam and Afghanistan, there's not much I can do for you. Backing Putin into a spot where both sides are openly discussing tactical nuclear deployment is unfathomable. But go ahead and virtue signal blue and yellow all you want. Russia and Ukraine conflicts go back centuries. We have no business there.
This is shitty deal for the US and the fucking dementia patient who OK'd blowing up Russia's Nord Stream pipeline is going to be all hunkered down in his underground bunker eating ice cream while the rest of us have to sweat out the Cuban missile crisis Part 2.0. All over covering up his corrupt kid and pandering to all the shady shit the US has been funding in Ukraine.
No thanks. Fuck "ROI". All it takes is that 'paper tiger' to launch a couple dozen nukes and we're all fucked.
Russia isn't going to do a fucking thing with nukes.
If the state of their nukes is anything close to the state of their army, 75% of them probably aren't even functional.
Surplus military equipment from the 80s isn't going to benefit Kent and Kennewick. Might as well give it to Ukraine to help them defend their land from a Kim Grinolds esque dictator.
Appeasement has worked so well in dealing with Russia in the past. Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere
The hard on some people on the right have for Russia is flat out embarrassing. Grow some balls.
Defending democracy, even corrupt and struggling ones, is important. And we are doing it by giving said democracy old weapons and intelligence.
Having Russia gobble up ex USSR countries is not good for anyone.
The fact that Russia wasn't able to take down Ukraine in the first month of the war is embarrassing. The fact Russia can't even fly planes into Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is afraid to use the S-35 and T-14 in Ukraine is embarrassing. The fact Russia is pulling 50s and 60s tanks out of storage is embarrassing.
Everything about this is embarrassing for Russia and incredible to watch. The takes you guys have on the matter are embarrassing, too.
Time? As long as it takes until Russia fucks off, hopefully for good.
I get the monetary concerns, but this is a country that wasted trillions in Iraq and Afghanistan. As opposed to something like Iraq this is actually a good use of military funds. Again - most of the shit we are supplying them with is yesterday's news like HIMARS, Bradleys, and Abrams
Word on the street is that Putin isn't doing very well, health wise. One way or the other he doesn't survive for much longer after this clusterfuck.
Also, the North Vietnamese are 100 times the tacticians the Russians are today. They were badasses that fought the US hard, kicked Pol Pot's ass, then turned around and kicked China's ass. \
The US should never have been in Nam. Apples and oranges.
Door. Ass. Out. We belong.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize the US military is full fledged in Ukraine and that we have reinstated a draft?
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46XiJCAB said:
You have zero understanding of what Russia is doing. They’re slowly grinding down Ukraine because they can. That’s according to experts.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The map?46XiJCAB said:
Who told you that lie? Zelensky?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You have 0 idea what you are talking about. Russia is abandoning territory because they are getting routed, not because they are playing 5d chess.46XiJCAB said:
Keep on telling me you have never listened to a military strategist explain what Russia is doing, without telling me. Put the establishment bong down. Ukraine winning is a fantasy.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Look at the fucking map. HTH46XiJCAB said:
Good grief. They’re trying hard to clean up their image. Right up there with the meth addict trying hard to kick their habit.PostGameOrangeSlices said:46XiJCAB said:
Azov more or less purged of Nazis? Says who? Maybe Congress needs to be informed of their new leaf. It’s laughable the idea that Ukraine is kicking Russian ass.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
sure.gifPostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
And perhaps you need to do some research on the Azov Regiment on just whom is murdering whom.
There is absolutely 0 evidence that bioweapons were being developed in Ukraine. You fell hook, line, and sinker for that Russian BS.
Very familiar with Azov Regiment and their Neo Nazi bullshit. They absolutely deserve to be called out on that. However, Azov was hanging out in Mariupol and defending against Russian incursions since 2014. Azov isn't the aggressor in this conflict.
Additionally, Azov has been more or less purged of Nazis.
On the flip side, are you familiar with the Wagner PMC group?
Where they gain somewhere they lose in multiple areas. Where are you getting your Ukraine kicking ass info?
Info on Azov:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraines-azov-battalion-looks-to-regroup-and-clean-up-image-11654453889
Info on Ukraine kicking Russia's fucking ass:
https://liveuamap.com/
Meanwhile, Russia's state sponsored mercenary group:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group#:~:text=Others say the group's name,Hitler's favorite composer).
"In 2021, the Foreign Policy report noted the origin of the name "Wagner" to be unknown.[51] Others say the group's name comes from Utkin's own call sign "Wagner", reportedly after the German composer Richard Wagner, which Utkin is said to have chosen due to his passion for the Third Reich (Wagner being Adolf Hitler's favorite composer).[79][80] As such, some believe he is a neo-Nazi,[81][82] with The Economist reporting that Utkin has several Nazi tattoos.[80]"
Why do you think we never hear about Ukraine getting their asses kicked? We only hear about how terribly the Russians are doing. Give it some thought.
When Ukraine had their victory is September it came at great cost and then they lost territory in other regions.
Are you under the impression there are people rooting for Russia here? If you are, you’re a fucking moron.
https://liveuamap.com/
absolute peanut brains
Even your guy Gen. Milley says both sides will eventually come to the table. The loss of lives for both is too great to continue much longer.
But the map! Why does Russia take territory and then leave territory to take new territory?
This conflict is like the US invading Mexico and being unable to take Mexico city.
Pathetic.
What happened in Kyiv, Kharkiv, and Kherson?
If you think their plan is some Blitzkrieg type action you’re just not reading any analysis of what’s going on.
The Russians are fine with making slow gains and that’s what they’ve been doing. Keep focusing on maps and cities like Kyiv.
I remember when countries worked to negotiate peace between warring countries. But Joey isn’t interested in that, no matter how many Ukrainians have to die.
Amazing how stupid you are. Like, resoundingly stupid. Low IQ stupid.
https://www.businessinsider.com/vladimir-putin-russian-forces-could-take-kyiv-ukraine-two-days-2022-3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Antonov_Airport
"On 24 February 2022, a few hours after President of Russia Vladimir Putin announced the beginning of a "special military operation" in Ukraine, Russian troops of the Russian Airborne Forces (VDV) made an air assault on Antonov Airport with the objective of capturing it. The airport held strategic value as it was located less than 10 kilometres (6.2 mi) outside of the capital Kyiv, which would allow Russian troops to airlift more troops and heavier equipment to directly threaten the city.[6] However, the Ukrainian military responded with a counter-attack which encircled the unsupported Russian forces and repelled the initial assault.[14] The attack resumed on the next day with another air assault by the VDV combined with a ground assault by armored reinforcements coming from the Belarusian border, breaking through the Ukrainian defenses. The airport was then captured by the Russian forces.[14] Despite this, the unexpected Ukrainian resistance foiled the plans of a quick capitulation of Kyiv,[7] and the airport was too damaged to be used as a functional airstrip.[15]"
"Security analyst Andrew McGregor described the battle for Antonov Airport as "Russian Airborne Disaster". According to him, the initial Russian operation had aimed at securing an early access for the invasion forces into Kyiv to end the entire war within a day or two. Instead, Russian intelligence had failed to assess the actual concentration of Ukrainian defenders around the airport, and assumed only token defenses. As the initial landing force was too small to hold the locality, while the Russian military was unable to secure air transport for reinforcements as well as prevent Ukrainian counter-attacks, this led to the destruction of the first landing force. McGregor argued that the failure to take Antonov Airport and another airport at Vasylkiv at the invasion's start ended Russia's chance to bring the conflict to swift conclusion.[10]"
Russian special forces got smoked. Estimates are that nearly half the VDV was wiped out in the initial invasion.
Honestly, I'm amazed at how dumb you are. -
The Nordstrom Pipeline and I had a hearty chuckle in the newsroom.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you are pathetic.WestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.RaceBannon said:US advisors are already there
Arming Ukraine is an act of war
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war.SellingGiving weapons to kill Russians isnotan act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-british-navy-personnel-blew-up-nord-stream-gas-pipelines-2022-10-29/pawz said:
The Nordstrom Pipeline and I had a hearty chuckle in the newsroom.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you are pathetic.WestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.RaceBannon said:US advisors are already there
Arming Ukraine is an act of war
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war.SellingGiving weapons to kill Russians isnotan act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.
Try again dipshit
Nordstrom isn't a pipeline by the way - it's a place you're too poor to shop at. Maybe the rack has a few items for you? -
I'm not rooting for anyone involved in this conflict to win hth.Sledog said:Imagine rooting for an actual Nazi state.
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PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Russia does not have the right to mercilessly invade their neighbors. End of story.WestlinnDuck said:
So do losers who resort to name calling as an argument. You still haven't told me what the US interests are in having Russian theftocrats steal from Ukrainians versus Ukrainian theftocrats?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Vlad and Hitler have a lot in common, Vlad.WestlinnDuck said:
Just like the Hitler rule, the first to call you Vlad is losing the argument. Congrats.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Okay, Vlad.WestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you areWestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.RaceBannon said:US advisors are already there
Arming Ukraine is an act of war
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war.SellingGiving weapons to kill Russians isnotan act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.pathetichonest.
Ukraine, flawed as it is, is a sovereign nation that has the right to defend itself
Russia is still living in the 19th century and needs to be brought to its knees. Land wars are a thing of the past and the world has finally had enough of their bullshit.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Russia's state sponsored mercenary group is named after a 3rd Reich propagandist and their founder is covered in Nazi tattoos.Sledog said:
Do you realize they have a shitload of Nazi's in the Ukraine army? Look past whatever Madcow is feeding you.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Russia?Sledog said:Imagine rooting for an actual Nazi state.
Do you realize that Zelensky is Jewish?
Russia is invading a neighbor, committing mass war crimes, deporting children, all for the sake of grabbing land and trying to rekindle the glory days.
If anyone in this war is actual Nazis, it is Russia.
You guys are so brainwashed on this topic. Open your eyes.
Honest query. How do you feel about the US in possession of and controlling a full third of Syria? The oil-third no less.
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pawz said:
Honest query. How do you feel about the US in possession of and controlling a full third of Syria? The oil-third no less.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Russia does not have the right to mercilessly invade their neighbors. End of story.WestlinnDuck said:
So do losers who resort to name calling as an argument. You still haven't told me what the US interests are in having Russian theftocrats steal from Ukrainians versus Ukrainian theftocrats?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Vlad and Hitler have a lot in common, Vlad.WestlinnDuck said:
Just like the Hitler rule, the first to call you Vlad is losing the argument. Congrats.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Okay, Vlad.WestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you areWestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.RaceBannon said:US advisors are already there
Arming Ukraine is an act of war
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war.SellingGiving weapons to kill Russians isnotan act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.pathetichonest.
Ukraine, flawed as it is, is a sovereign nation that has the right to defend itself
Russia is still living in the 19th century and needs to be brought to its knees. Land wars are a thing of the past and the world has finally had enough of their bullshit.
Are you counting Syrian resistance to the regime as "the US"?
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Both Bradley's and M1's are decades old and we aren't sending them the ones with the latest gear. Hth.WestlinnDuck said:
We are scheduled to sent Ukraine brand new Bradleys and M1 tanks. We have already sent state of the art artillery systems. Why wouldn't Putin use tactical nukes if his back is against the wall? Your thread shouldn't start with, "because he won't".UW_Doog_Bot said:If yous guysm can't see the realpolitik advantage of letting Ukrainians kill Russians then there's not much else to say. The only thing better would be if China invaded the parts of Manchuria Russia holds and they started killing one another.
It's the same reason we gave stingers to the Mujahideen and it will end the same way for Russia. Maybe they'll "anex" the east of Ukraine but it's going to cost them their empire in the long run.
No real fucks from me where that line ends up as long as Russia continues to break its own back and get bled out.
Btw, we are sending the same stingers from the 70's and 80's that were still sitting on the shelves.
Putin won't use nukes. I could write a whole thread on why he won't.
We shouldn't be guaranteeing Ukrainian pensions or any number of other stupid money laundering schemes. Differentiate that between sending old military hardware set for disposal.
Tldr when two of your enemies go to war a long bloody stalemate is something you support with goods not boots.
PS This isn't the 1970s and how did Afghanistan work out for us after the commies left?
PPS There are a lot of things we shouldn't be doing but having anti-American POS that are making a fortune in Ukraine run the show, then we are funding all sorts of sh*t including Ukrainian theftocrats.
We sent them an artillery system from the 70's and 80's with none of the latest ranged systems. Himar's and by extension rocket systems are extremely old tech by US standards.
Tldr version, start a thread if you want the full version but Putin won't do anything that puts Putin 6ft under. This is not how nuclear deterence works. He isn't remotely close to losing power in Russia over this war so there's not really a corner there like you imagine. -
UW_Doog_Bot said:
Both Bradley's and M1's are decades old and we aren't sending them the ones with the latest gear. Hth.WestlinnDuck said:
We are scheduled to sent Ukraine brand new Bradleys and M1 tanks. We have already sent state of the art artillery systems. Why wouldn't Putin use tactical nukes if his back is against the wall? Your thread shouldn't start with, "because he won't".UW_Doog_Bot said:If yous guysm can't see the realpolitik advantage of letting Ukrainians kill Russians then there's not much else to say. The only thing better would be if China invaded the parts of Manchuria Russia holds and they started killing one another.
It's the same reason we gave stingers to the Mujahideen and it will end the same way for Russia. Maybe they'll "anex" the east of Ukraine but it's going to cost them their empire in the long run.
No real fucks from me where that line ends up as long as Russia continues to break its own back and get bled out.
Btw, we are sending the same stingers from the 70's and 80's that were still sitting on the shelves.
Putin won't use nukes. I could write a whole thread on why he won't.
We shouldn't be guaranteeing Ukrainian pensions or any number of other stupid money laundering schemes. Differentiate that between sending old military hardware set for disposal.
Tldr when two of your enemies go to war a long bloody stalemate is something you support with goods not boots.
PS This isn't the 1970s and how did Afghanistan work out for us after the commies left?
PPS There are a lot of things we shouldn't be doing but having anti-American POS that are making a fortune in Ukraine run the show, then we are funding all sorts of sh*t including Ukrainian theftocrats.
We sent them an artillery system from the 70's and 80's with none of the latest ranged systems. Himar's and by extension rocket systems are extremely old tech by US standards.
Tldr version, start a thread if you want the full version but Putin won't do anything that puts Putin 6ft under. This is not how nuclear deterence works. He isn't remotely close to losing power in Russia over this war so there's not really a corner there like you imagine.
Yeah, these people think that neutered HIMARs, Bradleys, and M1s are state of the art US tech and not Desert Storm dusty relics
Really a great litmus test for not knowing what the fuck they are talking about -
If you aren’t smart enough to know we were behind it when the story broke, you shouldn’t vote.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
We dont know who blew up that pipelinePurpleThrobber said:
That whole little matter of the US blowing up the Nord Stream pipeline may have missed your radar by only watching MSNBC.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you are pathetic.WestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.RaceBannon said:US advisors are already there
Arming Ukraine is an act of war
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war.SellingGiving weapons to kill Russians isnotan act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.
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Tell me more about this Nordstrom pipeline you know so much about.pawz said:
If you aren’t smart enough to know we were behind it when the story broke, you shouldn’t vote.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
We dont know who blew up that pipelinePurpleThrobber said:
That whole little matter of the US blowing up the Nord Stream pipeline may have missed your radar by only watching MSNBC.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you are pathetic.WestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.RaceBannon said:US advisors are already there
Arming Ukraine is an act of war
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war.SellingGiving weapons to kill Russians isnotan act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians. -
They “retreated” to a high ground that was easier to defend while they drafted and trained conscripts.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You have 0 idea what you are talking about. Russia is abandoning territory because they are getting routed, not because they are playing 5d chess.46XiJCAB said:
Keep on telling me you have never listened to a military strategist explain what Russia is doing, without telling me. Put the establishment bong down. Ukraine winning is a fantasy.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Look at the fucking map. HTH46XiJCAB said:
Good grief. They’re trying hard to clean up their image. Right up there with the meth addict trying hard to kick their habit.PostGameOrangeSlices said:46XiJCAB said:
Azov more or less purged of Nazis? Says who? Maybe Congress needs to be informed of their new leaf. It’s laughable the idea that Ukraine is kicking Russian ass.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
sure.gifPostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
And perhaps you need to do some research on the Azov Regiment on just whom is murdering whom.
There is absolutely 0 evidence that bioweapons were being developed in Ukraine. You fell hook, line, and sinker for that Russian BS.
Very familiar with Azov Regiment and their Neo Nazi bullshit. They absolutely deserve to be called out on that. However, Azov was hanging out in Mariupol and defending against Russian incursions since 2014. Azov isn't the aggressor in this conflict.
Additionally, Azov has been more or less purged of Nazis.
On the flip side, are you familiar with the Wagner PMC group?
Where they gain somewhere they lose in multiple areas. Where are you getting your Ukraine kicking ass info?
Info on Azov:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraines-azov-battalion-looks-to-regroup-and-clean-up-image-11654453889
Info on Ukraine kicking Russia's fucking ass:
https://liveuamap.com/
Meanwhile, Russia's state sponsored mercenary group:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group#:~:text=Others say the group's name,Hitler's favorite composer).
"In 2021, the Foreign Policy report noted the origin of the name "Wagner" to be unknown.[51] Others say the group's name comes from Utkin's own call sign "Wagner", reportedly after the German composer Richard Wagner, which Utkin is said to have chosen due to his passion for the Third Reich (Wagner being Adolf Hitler's favorite composer).[79][80] As such, some believe he is a neo-Nazi,[81][82] with The Economist reporting that Utkin has several Nazi tattoos.[80]"
Why do you think we never hear about Ukraine getting their asses kicked? We only hear about how terribly the Russians are doing. Give it some thought.
When Ukraine had their victory is September it came at great cost and then they lost territory in other regions.
Are you under the impression there are people rooting for Russia here? If you are, you’re a fucking moron.
https://liveuamap.com/
absolute peanut brains
Even your guy Gen. Milley says both sides will eventually come to the table. The loss of lives for both is too great to continue much longer.
But the map! Why does Russia take territory and then leave territory to take new territory?
This conflict is like the US invading Mexico and being unable to take Mexico city.
Pathetic.
Also to not be in a flood plain under a dam that could have wiped out its forces if blown up.
You really seem to be a beacon of knowledge on this.
TYFYE
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The world needs ditch diggers too PGOS
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The only accurate assessment of yours in this thread. It’s a real mind-bender.PostGameOrangeSlices said:https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/ukraine-conflict/1676540620-israel-s-eli-cohen-visits-ukraine-s-bucha-babi-yar
Damn, weird for Isreal to be supporting Nazi
Fucking dumb fuck
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Was talking about PGOS. He loves him some real life Nazis!UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'm not rooting for anyone involved in this conflict to win hth.Sledog said:Imagine rooting for an actual Nazi state.
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pawz said:
They “retreated” to a high ground that was easier to defend while they drafted and trained conscripts.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You have 0 idea what you are talking about. Russia is abandoning territory because they are getting routed, not because they are playing 5d chess.46XiJCAB said:
Keep on telling me you have never listened to a military strategist explain what Russia is doing, without telling me. Put the establishment bong down. Ukraine winning is a fantasy.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Look at the fucking map. HTH46XiJCAB said:
Good grief. They’re trying hard to clean up their image. Right up there with the meth addict trying hard to kick their habit.PostGameOrangeSlices said:46XiJCAB said:
Azov more or less purged of Nazis? Says who? Maybe Congress needs to be informed of their new leaf. It’s laughable the idea that Ukraine is kicking Russian ass.PostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
sure.gifPostGameOrangeSlices said:PurpleThrobber said:
The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.PostGameOrangeSlices said:WestlinnDuck said:So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.
Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.
This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.
However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.
As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.
You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.
Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?
Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.
The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.
I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.
Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.
Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.
And perhaps you need to do some research on the Azov Regiment on just whom is murdering whom.
There is absolutely 0 evidence that bioweapons were being developed in Ukraine. You fell hook, line, and sinker for that Russian BS.
Very familiar with Azov Regiment and their Neo Nazi bullshit. They absolutely deserve to be called out on that. However, Azov was hanging out in Mariupol and defending against Russian incursions since 2014. Azov isn't the aggressor in this conflict.
Additionally, Azov has been more or less purged of Nazis.
On the flip side, are you familiar with the Wagner PMC group?
Where they gain somewhere they lose in multiple areas. Where are you getting your Ukraine kicking ass info?
Info on Azov:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraines-azov-battalion-looks-to-regroup-and-clean-up-image-11654453889
Info on Ukraine kicking Russia's fucking ass:
https://liveuamap.com/
Meanwhile, Russia's state sponsored mercenary group:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group#:~:text=Others say the group's name,Hitler's favorite composer).
"In 2021, the Foreign Policy report noted the origin of the name "Wagner" to be unknown.[51] Others say the group's name comes from Utkin's own call sign "Wagner", reportedly after the German composer Richard Wagner, which Utkin is said to have chosen due to his passion for the Third Reich (Wagner being Adolf Hitler's favorite composer).[79][80] As such, some believe he is a neo-Nazi,[81][82] with The Economist reporting that Utkin has several Nazi tattoos.[80]"
Why do you think we never hear about Ukraine getting their asses kicked? We only hear about how terribly the Russians are doing. Give it some thought.
When Ukraine had their victory is September it came at great cost and then they lost territory in other regions.
Are you under the impression there are people rooting for Russia here? If you are, you’re a fucking moron.
https://liveuamap.com/
absolute peanut brains
Even your guy Gen. Milley says both sides will eventually come to the table. The loss of lives for both is too great to continue much longer.
But the map! Why does Russia take territory and then leave territory to take new territory?
This conflict is like the US invading Mexico and being unable to take Mexico city.
Pathetic.
Also to not be in a flood plain under a dam that could have wiped out its forces if blown up.
You really seem to be a beacon of knowledge on this.
TYFYE
I'm sorry...they initially went full send at Kyiv, sent in VDV paratroopers behind enemy lines, columns of tanks and riot policemen...in order to retreat to the high ground?
They captured Kherson in February of 2022, dug miles of trenches, and then got ousted in the summer when Ukraine attacked...because they wanted to retreat to high ground on the other side of the river? which is just as fucking flat as Kherson?
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-here-forever-putin-ally-andrei-turchak-kherson-1704311
"I wanted to say once again, addressing the residents of the Kherson region, that Russia is here forever. There should be no doubt about that," Senator Andrei Turchak, United Russia's general council secretary, said Friday. "There will be no return to the past. We will live together, develop this rich area—rich in historical heritage, rich in our people who live here."
I guess they wanted to control that region for a little bit, but then the high ground came calling.
Meanwhile, in Kharkiv, the second largest Ukranian city less than 100 miles from the Russian border....
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/12/ukraines-counterattack-around-kharkiv-inflicts-defeat-on-russia.html
Oh wow...looks like I was wrong. Kharkiv is an entire 30 fucking miles from the Russian border. And Russian got its ass annihilated and had to completely retreat back across their own border.
https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/87900
https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/russian-state-media-grapples-with-kharkiv-defeats-2022-09-12/
""A most difficult week on the front," presenter Dmitry Kiselyov said at the opening of his prime time Sunday night program.
Under a studio backdrop reading “Regrouping”, Kiselyov said that Russian forces had abandoned “previously liberated settlements" under pressure from "superior enemy forces”.
In a rare show of dissent, Boris Nadezhdin, a former liberal politician and regular talk show guest said on the Gazprom-owned NTV channel, that Putin had been misled by advisers into thinking that Ukraine would quickly surrender, and urged immediate peace talks to end the conflict."
@pawz I can't emphasize this enough. You do not know what you are talking about. You are ignorant. -
You bring nothing to the table on this topic besides misinformed attempts at "gotcha" hot takes.RaceBannon said:The world needs ditch diggers too PGOS
Even old as fuck construction industry relics like yourself are wrong from time to time -
But ma "nuclear threat" is literally a RT talking point aimed at audiences in the West to make housewives nervous about supporting Ukraine with war material. It's unmanly to say the least that so many here are hiding under the rug of appeasement out of political tribalism. Trump was for big swinging dick deterence and so am I.
The fact is that actual Nato would wipe the fucking floor with Russia in a traditional conflict. That's pretty fucking obvious at this point since Russia can't even take a third world tin pot cleptocracy like Ukraine even before the Western support arrived.
That means that the nuclear card is literally Russia's last option for deterence and keeping Nato out of actual boots on ground. They won't use it for anything short of existential threat such as ze' Germans rolling on Moscow again.
"Losing" the war in Ukraine isn't an existential threat for Putin. He has achieved the goal of "de-nazification" and whatever other RT decides to propagandize. If anything, he's used the war to consolidate power, lock Russia down further, rid it of decent, and eliminate rivals. See what he's currently doing to Pregotion and Wagner in Backhmut after he got too upity.
Come at me bro with trying to tell me I don't know shit or need to do research. I've been following this since the Orange revolution. Go Google it bitch. -
Are you not smart enough to know the British are acting at the behest of the US govt?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-british-navy-personnel-blew-up-nord-stream-gas-pipelines-2022-10-29/pawz said:
The Nordstrom Pipeline and I had a hearty chuckle in the newsroom.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The only act of war was Russia crossing the Ukranian border last February. Christ, you are pathetic.WestlinnDuck said:PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Advisors are everywhere. Welcome to politics.RaceBannon said:US advisors are already there
Arming Ukraine is an act of war
You're killing Ukrainian and Russian people with your blind support of what a bunch of lying assholes tell you to support
Arming Ukraine is not an act of war.SellingGiving weapons to kill Russians isnotan act of war.
The only ones killing Ukranians and Russians, are Russians.
Try again dipshit
Nordstrom isn't a pipeline by the way - it's a place you're too poor to shop at. Maybe the rack has a few items for you?
No need to answer.
