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  • whlinder
    whlinder Member Posts: 5,269
    As the bored’s resident Penn State fan (it continues to trend for my kid to go there) agree that they’re tier 2 in this.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,036

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Blue blood is a restricted club. The votes don't surprise me

    Michigan is a blue blood but Florida has been better for 30 years

    Clemson had a big decade

    UW has fits of glory followed by despair

    Texas is a blue blood despite 7 wins a year

    Its
    Notre Dame
    Michigan
    Texas
    Oklahoma
    Bama
    tOSU
    USC

    Curious why you put Texas in and not Nebraska? They seem fairly equivalent to me.

    I think the other 6 are clear blue bloods. To me there's either 6 or 8, I don't see enough separation between Texas and Nebraska to have one but not the other.

    I like 6.
    It's often been stated, that to be a true Blue Blood, you need to have tradition, location and money. Nebraska lacks the location piece these days. Notre Dame is the worst of the blue bloods on the field the past 30 years, but they still have all 3.
    The IRON LAWS® of college football were always meant to be forward looking. Aubbie's (foolish) contention was if you have these three things you will succeed going forward it's only a matter of tim.

    I don't think that's what "Blue Bloods" is trying to describe and Aubbie himself never applied them in that fashion that i'm aware of.

    For one obvious poont he applied these IRON LAWS to UW (vis a vis Oregon) as a guarantee that we would surpass them again ultimately. I don't think even Aubbie would argue UW is a blue blood.

    So no, I am confident it has not been often stated that these things are required to be a Blue Blood. I'm not sure it's ever been stated until this thread.

    #AuburnDawgFSSuperiorityGuy
    Things get misquoted around here all the Tim....ain't no big thing.

    That being said, what's a better definition of a Blue Blood than the "Iron Laws"? @creepycoug isn't a Blue Blood because he still doesn't have tradition and no dinero either.
    Miami is a boom or bust program. Would I prefer they were good all the time and had a coach that wanted to stay 25 years and beat everyone senseless? Sure. And there's enough money to make it happen. But I'd take what they've given me over flacid "consistently good but never great." I'd rather reach the peak and see the view and then descend to sea level for a while vs. spending my life at base camp. YMMV.

    Miami has been part of some of the most historically important and visible games ever, has been part of some nationally-compelling rivalries, established sea changes in the game by way of style of play, by way of program culture, has produced a shit ton of truly great name players, is closing in on Buck and Michigan for most alumni in the pro fb HOF (and will then be knocking on SC's door), has one or two of the very best teams ever to be fielded and has been as nationally relevant, love them or hate them, as any program has ever been. Every single person knows who they are and what they've been about. The program that beat one of the most dominant cfb teams ever for its first title, and won 5 and played for 2 others. I could go on, and will if you make me. This is the program that made Jimmy Johnson cry like a little girl on his way to the airport for Dallas.

    I'll take what they've given me over being a Nebraska, Texas, Michigan or ND fan any. day. of. the. week. Those of you who like the monarchy and who like to look down your noses at the newly rich may prefer otherwise. Again, IDFC. It's a Miami thing. You wouldn't understand.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,036

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Blue blood is a restricted club. The votes don't surprise me

    Michigan is a blue blood but Florida has been better for 30 years

    Clemson had a big decade

    UW has fits of glory followed by despair

    Texas is a blue blood despite 7 wins a year

    Its
    Notre Dame
    Michigan
    Texas
    Oklahoma
    Bama
    tOSU
    USC

    Curious why you put Texas in and not Nebraska? They seem fairly equivalent to me.

    I think the other 6 are clear blue bloods. To me there's either 6 or 8, I don't see enough separation between Texas and Nebraska to have one but not the other.

    I like 6.
    It's often been stated, that to be a true Blue Blood, you need to have tradition, location and money. Nebraska lacks the location piece these days. Notre Dame is the worst of the blue bloods on the field the past 30 years, but they still have all 3.
    The IRON LAWS® of college football were always meant to be forward looking. Aubbie's (foolish) contention was if you have these three things you will succeed going forward it's only a matter of tim.

    I don't think that's what "Blue Bloods" is trying to describe and Aubbie himself never applied them in that fashion that i'm aware of.

    For one obvious poont he applied these IRON LAWS to UW (vis a vis Oregon) as a guarantee that we would surpass them again ultimately. I don't think even Aubbie would argue UW is a blue blood.

    So no, I am confident it has not been often stated that these things are required to be a Blue Blood. I'm not sure it's ever been stated until this thread.

    #AuburnDawgFSSuperiorityGuy
    A few in-depth observations:

    1. @Auburndawg was always stupid. I liked him and thought he was funny (to look at), but also always thought he was dumb. And, yes, I do have a view of who here is smart and who is not, and there is plenty of both.

    2. Bluebloods - who really cares? It's a dumb designation/club/list/cohort/thing to discuss. It means absolutely nothing and has little to no consequence. If some team is a blue blood by virtue of piling up wins before black players were allowed or before TV was invented, then I don't care about it and I don't care that others do care about it. IJDC. It's dumb. Like @Auburndawg. Just dumb.

    3. It is invariably implicated by fans of teams that used to be good but aren't anymore, or it's used against an upstart threat to try and squash their mo ... or whatever. It's a play for permanent respeck status that said fanbase tries to make stick to the wall. Sometimes the blueblood wannabes enable this nonsense (hi Husky fans with Trojan cocks in their mouths). I reject it as anti-American. You like permanent status? Go to England where they still pay homage to hereditary title and related bullshit. When you think about, being the opposite of that is what made American great in the first place, and better than GB ever was. Who came crawling to whom when Hitler was about to go in dry? Stiff upper lip wasn't going to get it done in the long-run. American industry made that happen bitches. We're better precisely because we don't stifle ourselves with rigid social hierarchy that has real-world implications. You gotta go get it here if you want it. The Brits have been third-tier forever. Don't twist it; I love The Crown. I eat that shit up. But I also think it's wildly stupid and love that I live somewhere that is full of people who wouldn't think for a second to accept such a ridiculous social arrangement. Same goes for cfb. You're either good now and have been recently or you're not. Don't waste my tim talking to me about all-time records Michigan. IDC. Me going around and squawking about Miami back when at the same time that Pitt is thrusting its cockus in our? collective asses, again, would just be dumb. I've probably done it, but it's still dumb.

    4. Anybody who jerks off to perennial underachieving Texas is just straight pathetic.
    Jesus Christos @creepycoug you ignorant slut.

    The UK has a permanent seat (with veto power) on the UN Security Council. That's about as Blue Blood as it gets.
    Exhibit B for why "blue blood" is stupid. Sixth largest economy in the world. Bfd. Wake me up.

    Setting aside our shared history and language, they being the source of a lot of our traditions, legal and economic, we wouldn't care about them. You know it, I know it, and the American people know. Fuck, Jackie Kennedy tried to explain this to you 60 years ago boo. Take your Anglophile perversions off the board ese. It's unmanly. And un-American.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,237 Founders Club

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Blue blood is a restricted club. The votes don't surprise me

    Michigan is a blue blood but Florida has been better for 30 years

    Clemson had a big decade

    UW has fits of glory followed by despair

    Texas is a blue blood despite 7 wins a year

    Its
    Notre Dame
    Michigan
    Texas
    Oklahoma
    Bama
    tOSU
    USC

    Curious why you put Texas in and not Nebraska? They seem fairly equivalent to me.

    I think the other 6 are clear blue bloods. To me there's either 6 or 8, I don't see enough separation between Texas and Nebraska to have one but not the other.

    I like 6.
    It's often been stated, that to be a true Blue Blood, you need to have tradition, location and money. Nebraska lacks the location piece these days. Notre Dame is the worst of the blue bloods on the field the past 30 years, but they still have all 3.
    The IRON LAWS® of college football were always meant to be forward looking. Aubbie's (foolish) contention was if you have these three things you will succeed going forward it's only a matter of tim.

    I don't think that's what "Blue Bloods" is trying to describe and Aubbie himself never applied them in that fashion that i'm aware of.

    For one obvious poont he applied these IRON LAWS to UW (vis a vis Oregon) as a guarantee that we would surpass them again ultimately. I don't think even Aubbie would argue UW is a blue blood.

    So no, I am confident it has not been often stated that these things are required to be a Blue Blood. I'm not sure it's ever been stated until this thread.

    #AuburnDawgFSSuperiorityGuy
    Things get misquoted around here all the Tim....ain't no big thing.

    That being said, what's a better definition of a Blue Blood than the "Iron Laws"? @creepycoug isn't a Blue Blood because he still doesn't have tradition and no dinero either.
    Miami is a boom or bust program. Would I prefer they were good all the time and had a coach that wanted to stay 25 years and beat everyone senseless? Sure. And there's enough money to make it happen. But I'd take what they've given me over flacid "consistently good but never great." I'd rather reach the peak and see the view and then descend to sea level for a while vs. spending my life at base camp. YMMV.

    Miami has been part of some of the most historically important and visible games ever, has been part of some nationally-compelling rivalries, established sea changes in the game by way of style of play, by way of program culture, has produced a shit ton of truly great name players, is closing in on Buck and Michigan for most alumni in the pro fb HOF (and will then be knocking on SC's door), has one or two of the very best teams ever to be fielded and has been as nationally relevant, love them or hate them, as any program has ever been. Every single person knows who they are and what they've been about. The program that beat one of the most dominant cfb teams ever for its first title, and won 5 and played for 2 others. I could go on, and will if you make me. This is the program that made Jimmy Johnson cry like a little girl on his way to the airport for Dallas.

    I'll take what they've given me over being a Nebraska, Texas, Michigan or ND fan any. day. of. the. week. Those of you who like the monarchy and who like to look down your noses at the newly rich may prefer otherwise. Again, IDFC. It's a Miami thing. You wouldn't understand.

  • LebamDawg
    LebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,785 Swaye's Wigwam
    edited February 2023
    Here is the blue blood list per https://www.gambleonline.co/blog/who-are-the-blue-bloods-of-college-football/
    1. Bama
    2. Michigan
    3. Nebraska
    4. The Irish
    5. Ohio St
    6. Oklahomo
    7. Texas
    8. USC

      and the ones that barely missed out
      UGA
      Penn State
      LSU
      FSU
      Florida
      Miami
      Clemson
      Tennessee
      Auburn
      Washington
    Edit - We are the bottom of the elites I think
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,036

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    Blue blood is a restricted club. The votes don't surprise me

    Michigan is a blue blood but Florida has been better for 30 years

    Clemson had a big decade

    UW has fits of glory followed by despair

    Texas is a blue blood despite 7 wins a year

    Its
    Notre Dame
    Michigan
    Texas
    Oklahoma
    Bama
    tOSU
    USC

    Curious why you put Texas in and not Nebraska? They seem fairly equivalent to me.

    I think the other 6 are clear blue bloods. To me there's either 6 or 8, I don't see enough separation between Texas and Nebraska to have one but not the other.

    I like 6.
    It's often been stated, that to be a true Blue Blood, you need to have tradition, location and money. Nebraska lacks the location piece these days. Notre Dame is the worst of the blue bloods on the field the past 30 years, but they still have all 3.
    The IRON LAWS® of college football were always meant to be forward looking. Aubbie's (foolish) contention was if you have these three things you will succeed going forward it's only a matter of tim.

    I don't think that's what "Blue Bloods" is trying to describe and Aubbie himself never applied them in that fashion that i'm aware of.

    For one obvious poont he applied these IRON LAWS to UW (vis a vis Oregon) as a guarantee that we would surpass them again ultimately. I don't think even Aubbie would argue UW is a blue blood.

    So no, I am confident it has not been often stated that these things are required to be a Blue Blood. I'm not sure it's ever been stated until this thread.

    #AuburnDawgFSSuperiorityGuy
    Things get misquoted around here all the Tim....ain't no big thing.

    That being said, what's a better definition of a Blue Blood than the "Iron Laws"? @creepycoug isn't a Blue Blood because he still doesn't have tradition and no dinero either.
    Miami is a boom or bust program. Would I prefer they were good all the time and had a coach that wanted to stay 25 years and beat everyone senseless? Sure. And there's enough money to make it happen. But I'd take what they've given me over flacid "consistently good but never great." I'd rather reach the peak and see the view and then descend to sea level for a while vs. spending my life at base camp. YMMV.

    Miami has been part of some of the most historically important and visible games ever, has been part of some nationally-compelling rivalries, established sea changes in the game by way of style of play, by way of program culture, has produced a shit ton of truly great name players, is closing in on Buck and Michigan for most alumni in the pro fb HOF (and will then be knocking on SC's door), has one or two of the very best teams ever to be fielded and has been as nationally relevant, love them or hate them, as any program has ever been. Every single person knows who they are and what they've been about. The program that beat one of the most dominant cfb teams ever for its first title, and won 5 and played for 2 others. I could go on, and will if you make me. This is the program that made Jimmy Johnson cry like a little girl on his way to the airport for Dallas.

    I'll take what they've given me over being a Nebraska, Texas, Michigan or ND fan any. day. of. the. week. Those of you who like the monarchy and who like to look down your noses at the newly rich may prefer otherwise. Again, IDFC. It's a Miami thing. You wouldn't understand.

    but even the stupid city of Miami couldn't take away any of the things I listed. that's all for keeps.
  • HairyBallsDawg
    HairyBallsDawg Member Posts: 1,075
    If we can win an NC in the next couple of years, and claim a couple more retroactive NCs, I think we can make a strong case for being a dark purple blood with heavy blue tints mixed in.

    Weren't we undefeated for many years back in the 1920s and 1930s? I realize some of those games were against Ballard High School and the Crew of the USS Lincoln... but still. I bet those wins were as hard to come by as some of the wins that the pure blue bloods have from those years.

  • HFNY
    HFNY Member Posts: 5,386
    When Penix wins the Heisman and UW wins the National Championship next year, UW will vault into the Blue Bloods category #cookit
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,036
    edited February 2023
    LebamDawg said:

    Here is the blue blood list per https://www.gambleonline.co/blog/who-are-the-blue-bloods-of-college-football/

    1. Bama
    2. Michigan
    3. Nebraska
    4. The Irish
    5. Ohio St
    6. Oklahomo
    7. Texas
    8. USC

      and the ones that barely missed out
      UGA
      Penn State
      LSU
      FSU
      Florida
      Miami
      Clemson
      Tennessee
      Auburn
      Washington
    Edit - We are the bottom of the elites I think
    If I had to make a list of "blue bloods,'' one of the eliminating criteria would be not having a title in the last 20 years. Or pick another number.

    To me, the programs that matter now and have mattered for quite some time are:

    Alabama
    Ohio State
    LSU
    Clemson
    Georgia - just gets in for back to back, but let's not forget who they've been for a quite a while. A ton of recency bias in this one.
    Oklahoma, and though they win consistently and play at a high level, they are on the cusp of falling off since they don't tend to get it done on the big stage. Last natty was 2000, and as it is it was flawed. Even Miami's is more recent.

    The rest is mental masturbation.

    I might add USC, but then thought, nah. They were dominant under Pete, but were mostly flaccid for a bit before Pete and have been mostly mediocre since. Plus, there are enough Huskies? stroking them as it is. We? don't need another one.

  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,036
    edited February 2023
    LebamDawg said:

    Here is the blue blood list per https://www.gambleonline.co/blog/who-are-the-blue-bloods-of-college-football/

    1. Bama
    2. Michigan
    3. Nebraska
    4. The Irish
    5. Ohio St
    6. Oklahomo
    7. Texas
    8. USC

      and the ones that barely missed out
      UGA
      Penn State
      LSU
      FSU
      Florida
      Miami
      Clemson
      Tennessee
      Auburn
      Washington
    Edit - We are the bottom of the elites I think
    How is Florida State left off that list? 14 years in the top 5 is not something every-day-progams accomplish. They've won a shit-ton of major bowls, produced a lot of really great players (and still do) and have 3 natties. All of this accomplished post-civil war. If Auburn, UW, Tennessee and PSU are on this list, then so are the Seminoles. It's not even a discussion.
  • LebamDawg
    LebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,785 Swaye's Wigwam
    Maybe the blue blood list needs to go to 15 - add all but The bottom 3 to the list
  • dflea
    dflea Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,287 Swaye's Wigwam

    LebamDawg said:

    Here is the blue blood list per https://www.gambleonline.co/blog/who-are-the-blue-bloods-of-college-football/

    1. Bama
    2. Michigan
    3. Nebraska
    4. The Irish
    5. Ohio St
    6. Oklahomo
    7. Texas
    8. USC

      and the ones that barely missed out
      UGA
      Penn State
      LSU
      FSU
      Florida
      Miami
      Clemson
      Tennessee
      Auburn
      Washington
    Edit - We are the bottom of the elites I think
    How is Florida State left off that list? 14 years in the top 5 is not something every-day-progams accomplish. They've won a shit-ton of major bowls, produced a lot of really great players (and still do) and have 3 natties. All of this accomplished post-civil war. If Auburn, UW, Tennessee and PSU are on this list, then so are the Seminoles. It's not even a discussion.
    lol

    FSU is Florida State University last I checked.

    Washington bottom of the elites? Yeah - I think that's putting it about right.
  • HillsboroDuck
    HillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186
    Sources said:

    LebamDawg said:

    Here is the blue blood list per https://www.gambleonline.co/blog/who-are-the-blue-bloods-of-college-football/

    1. Bama
    2. Michigan
    3. Nebraska
    4. The Irish
    5. Ohio St
    6. Oklahomo
    7. Texas
    8. USC

      and the ones that barely missed out
      UGA
      Penn State
      LSU
      FSU
      Florida
      Miami
      Clemson
      Tennessee
      Auburn
      Washington
    Edit - We are the bottom of the elites I think
    How is Florida State left off that list? 14 years in the top 5 is not something every-day-progams accomplish. They've won a shit-ton of major bowls, produced a lot of really great players (and still do) and have 3 natties. All of this accomplished post-civil war. If Auburn, UW, Tennessee and PSU are on this list, then so are the Seminoles. It's not even a discussion.
    Rick turned UW into Florida State of the West. Some people forget that
    Florida State of the West > Clemson of the West
  • DawgOfTheAges
    DawgOfTheAges Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 1,748 Founders Club
    edited February 2023
    Rick was a messiah, when he started playing guitar, I fell in love with the program.


  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,036
    dflea said:

    LebamDawg said:

    Here is the blue blood list per https://www.gambleonline.co/blog/who-are-the-blue-bloods-of-college-football/

    1. Bama
    2. Michigan
    3. Nebraska
    4. The Irish
    5. Ohio St
    6. Oklahomo
    7. Texas
    8. USC

      and the ones that barely missed out
      UGA
      Penn State
      LSU
      FSU
      Florida
      Miami
      Clemson
      Tennessee
      Auburn
      Washington
    Edit - We are the bottom of the elites I think
    How is Florida State left off that list? 14 years in the top 5 is not something every-day-progams accomplish. They've won a shit-ton of major bowls, produced a lot of really great players (and still do) and have 3 natties. All of this accomplished post-civil war. If Auburn, UW, Tennessee and PSU are on this list, then so are the Seminoles. It's not even a discussion.
    lol

    FSU is Florida State University last I checked.

    Washington bottom of the elites? Yeah - I think that's putting it about right.
    I thought that was Fresneck, what with DeBoer and all.
  • AOG
    AOG Member Posts: 2,650
    we? are not a brand, no.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,817 Founders Club
    If Petersen hadn't been such a pussy UW would be tied for second in Rose Bowl wins

  • LawDawg1
    LawDawg1 Member Posts: 3,942

    If Petersen hadn't been such a pussy UW would be tied for second in Rose Bowl wins

    Math is hard
  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    LawDawg1 said:

    If Petersen hadn't been such a pussy UW would be tied for second in Rose Bowl wins

    Math is hard
    If Grandpa Race’s dream come true, I see a ménage a trois at 2nd with Ocho rose bowel wins.
  • HillsboroDuck
    HillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186

    If Petersen hadn't been such a pussy UW would be tied for second in Rose Bowl wins

    Third
  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346

    If Petersen hadn't been such a pussy UW would be tied for second in Rose Bowl wins

    We’re #2!!!!!!1!1!1!1!!!!1!!!1!!! POTD
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,817 Founders Club

    LawDawg1 said:

    If Petersen hadn't been such a pussy UW would be tied for second in Rose Bowl wins

    Math is hard
    If Grandpa Race’s dream come true, I see a ménage a trois at 2nd with Ocho rose bowel wins.
    Glove gets it
  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    edited February 2023

    LawDawg1 said:

    If Petersen hadn't been such a pussy UW would be tied for second in Rose Bowl wins

    Math is hard
    If Grandpa Race’s dream come true, I see a ménage a trois at 2nd with Ocho rose bowel wins.
    Glove gets it
    STEM school grad x 2

    @haie