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HuskyJW
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How in 2022 do people think this is a real thing?
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Kids create plans for their future which involve getting into an ideal or "dream" school
For example, a kid wanting to become a lawyer may consider Harvard's law school their dream school -
whatshouldicareabout said:
Kids create plans for their future which involve getting into an ideal or "dream" school
For example, a kid wanting to become a lawyer may consider Harvard's law school their dream school
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Nice shirt!TheHB said:whatshouldicareabout said:Kids create plans for their future which involve getting into an ideal or "dream" school
For example, a kid wanting to become a lawyer may consider Harvard's law school their dream school -
What do you mean? A little context would help.HuskyJW said:How in 2022 do people think this is a real thing?
Do you mean yet another kid who has no academic business being in college saying they're signing with their dream school? That's always been a joke. Don't blame 2022.
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There are no longer “dream schools” just selector schools.
For example, Kalen has probably spent 2-2 1/2 years on SD Wonderboy, but tOSU came to one game and flew him out to lose to UM and he still went to tOSU, why? they can select their athletes.
Bama, tOSU, Georgia, all selector schools, maybe you can throw in LSU in years past but not with Kelly at the helm.
What’s nice about the Presley flip is that it proves that UO isn’t a selector school, they can get the NIL kids but they aren’t beating out the top tier teams for talent, at least not often. -
2022, reached for comment:creepycoug said:
What do you mean? A little context would help.HuskyJW said:How in 2022 do people think this is a real thing?
Do you mean yet another kid who has no academic business being in college saying they're signing with their dream school? That's always been a joke. Don't blame 2022.
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So "selector school" means you can go toe to toe with one of those other schools and expect to win no matter what?theLSkid said:There are no longer “dream schools” just selector schools.
For example, Kalen has probably spent 2-2 1/2 years on SD Wonderboy, but tOSU came to one game and flew him out to lose to UM and he still went to tOSU, why? they can select their athletes.
Bama, tOSU, Georgia, all selector schools, maybe you can throw in LSU in years past but not with Kelly at the helm.
What’s nice about the Presley flip is that it proves that UO isn’t a selector school, they can get the NIL kids but they aren’t beating out the top tier teams for talent, at least not often.
Is it really selector school or selector recruiter? -
If Oregon State spends 3 years with an in-state recruit and the day before signing day Nick Saban offers him; he’s going to Alabama. That’s a selector school.creepycoug said:
So "selector school" means you can go toe to toe with one of those other schools and expect to win no matter what?theLSkid said:There are no longer “dream schools” just selector schools.
For example, Kalen has probably spent 2-2 1/2 years on SD Wonderboy, but tOSU came to one game and flew him out to lose to UM and he still went to tOSU, why? they can select their athletes.
Bama, tOSU, Georgia, all selector schools, maybe you can throw in LSU in years past but not with Kelly at the helm.
What’s nice about the Presley flip is that it proves that UO isn’t a selector school, they can get the NIL kids but they aren’t beating out the top tier teams for talent, at least not often.
Is it really selector school or selector recruiter?
Alabama has a new set of assistants every year and they still pull top 3 classes; I think you’re overestimating the “top tier” recruiters. For example, hartline at tOSU, is he really a good recruiter? He’s had a couple of dudes, but they would’ve ended up at tOSU regardless of whether or not he was there because Day’s offense is highly conducive to WRs getting drafted.
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Thiscreepycoug said:
What do you mean? A little context would help.HuskyJW said:How in 2022 do people think this is a real thing?
Do you mean yet another kid who has no academic business being in college saying they're signing with their dream school? That's always been a joke. Don't blame 2022.
I know it’s always been a joke. But people still fall for it and I can’t believe it’s still a thing in the recruiting world -
It’s mostly about brands, and most recruits are happy to be on a cool campus with tons of chicks and parties. That’s a dream School for most Kids I guess. The football players will get laid more though. Not the OL, but still.HuskyJW said:
Thiscreepycoug said:
What do you mean? A little context would help.HuskyJW said:How in 2022 do people think this is a real thing?
Do you mean yet another kid who has no academic business being in college saying they're signing with their dream school? That's always been a joke. Don't blame 2022.
I know it’s always been a joke. But people still fall for it and I can’t believe it’s still a thing in the recruiting world -
I feel it’s un-Christmas like to disparage all of wazzus signing class. We get it, everyone needs janitors and people to run minimarts, but we don’t need to rip them around the holidays.creepycoug said:
What do you mean? A little context would help.HuskyJW said:How in 2022 do people think this is a real thing?
Do you mean yet another kid who has no academic business being in college saying they're signing with their dream school? That's always been a joke. Don't blame 2022.
Have a heart -
What about Class? Who needs class in college. Just good looks, a personality and a concrete peeper.creepycoug said:
What do you mean? A little context would help.HuskyJW said:How in 2022 do people think this is a real thing?
Do you mean yet another kid who has no academic business being in college saying they're signing with their dream school? That's always been a joke. Don't blame 2022. -
Cristobal just pulled in a top 5 class in a down year for south florida recruiting (meaning he had to pull it in from places where the kids don't grow up on steady diet of "swagger". He's at a program that has been dreadful the past handful of years, a program that just came off a horrible and embarrassing season, and a program that hasn't done more than have spurts of "good" the last 18. And there are plenty of kids in that class that Bama and Buck wanted.theLSkid said:
If Oregon State spends 3 years with an in-state recruit and the day before signing day Nick Saban offers him; he’s going to Alabama. That’s a selector school.creepycoug said:
So "selector school" means you can go toe to toe with one of those other schools and expect to win no matter what?theLSkid said:There are no longer “dream schools” just selector schools.
For example, Kalen has probably spent 2-2 1/2 years on SD Wonderboy, but tOSU came to one game and flew him out to lose to UM and he still went to tOSU, why? they can select their athletes.
Bama, tOSU, Georgia, all selector schools, maybe you can throw in LSU in years past but not with Kelly at the helm.
What’s nice about the Presley flip is that it proves that UO isn’t a selector school, they can get the NIL kids but they aren’t beating out the top tier teams for talent, at least not often.
Is it really selector school or selector recruiter?
Alabama has a new set of assistants every year and they still pull top 3 classes; I think you’re overestimating the “top tier” recruiters. For example, hartline at tOSU, is he really a good recruiter? He’s had a couple of dudes, but they would’ve ended up at tOSU regardless of whether or not he was there because Day’s offense is highly conducive to WRs getting drafted.
Obviously, talented recruiter + Mt. Rushmore name is the best situation. But recruiting ability is a talent, and not everybody has it. -
It's really too bad that all his great recruits at Oregon had to portal out this year because Lanning needs time to get his own highly rated recruits in to try and not lose to UW and Oregon Statecreepycoug said:
Cristobal just pulled in a top 5 class in a down year for south florida recruiting (meaning he had to pull it in from places where the kids don't grow up on steady diet of "swagger". He's at a program that has been dreadful the past handful of years, a program that just came off a horrible and embarrassing season, and a program that hasn't done more than have spurts of "good" the last 18. And there are plenty of kids in that class that Bama and Buck wanted.theLSkid said:
If Oregon State spends 3 years with an in-state recruit and the day before signing day Nick Saban offers him; he’s going to Alabama. That’s a selector school.creepycoug said:
So "selector school" means you can go toe to toe with one of those other schools and expect to win no matter what?theLSkid said:There are no longer “dream schools” just selector schools.
For example, Kalen has probably spent 2-2 1/2 years on SD Wonderboy, but tOSU came to one game and flew him out to lose to UM and he still went to tOSU, why? they can select their athletes.
Bama, tOSU, Georgia, all selector schools, maybe you can throw in LSU in years past but not with Kelly at the helm.
What’s nice about the Presley flip is that it proves that UO isn’t a selector school, they can get the NIL kids but they aren’t beating out the top tier teams for talent, at least not often.
Is it really selector school or selector recruiter?
Alabama has a new set of assistants every year and they still pull top 3 classes; I think you’re overestimating the “top tier” recruiters. For example, hartline at tOSU, is he really a good recruiter? He’s had a couple of dudes, but they would’ve ended up at tOSU regardless of whether or not he was there because Day’s offense is highly conducive to WRs getting drafted.
Obviously, talented recruiter + Mt. Rushmore name is the best situation. But recruiting ability is a talent, and not everybody has it.
Cristobal can recruit. Lanning can recruit. Oregon can recruit. Miami can recruit
So far Cristo is a better coach than Lannbo because he beat UW and Oregon State with his highly rated recruits and Lannbo didn't -
My only point being, when you're at a school that doesn't historically dominate the headlines, it's not good enough to say, "Well, you can't get 5 stars to Eugene." Allegedly what Scott Frost said back in the day. Loser talk. Cristo brought in talent to fucking Rutgers. Someday, somebody's going to say the same thing about Washington, if they haven't already: "well, you can't expect us to bring in 5* talent; we're not a selector school."RaceBannon said:
It's really too bad that all his great recruits at Oregon had to portal out this year because Lanning needs time to get his own highly rated recruits in to try and not lose to UW and Oregon Statecreepycoug said:
Cristobal just pulled in a top 5 class in a down year for south florida recruiting (meaning he had to pull it in from places where the kids don't grow up on steady diet of "swagger". He's at a program that has been dreadful the past handful of years, a program that just came off a horrible and embarrassing season, and a program that hasn't done more than have spurts of "good" the last 18. And there are plenty of kids in that class that Bama and Buck wanted.theLSkid said:
If Oregon State spends 3 years with an in-state recruit and the day before signing day Nick Saban offers him; he’s going to Alabama. That’s a selector school.creepycoug said:
So "selector school" means you can go toe to toe with one of those other schools and expect to win no matter what?theLSkid said:There are no longer “dream schools” just selector schools.
For example, Kalen has probably spent 2-2 1/2 years on SD Wonderboy, but tOSU came to one game and flew him out to lose to UM and he still went to tOSU, why? they can select their athletes.
Bama, tOSU, Georgia, all selector schools, maybe you can throw in LSU in years past but not with Kelly at the helm.
What’s nice about the Presley flip is that it proves that UO isn’t a selector school, they can get the NIL kids but they aren’t beating out the top tier teams for talent, at least not often.
Is it really selector school or selector recruiter?
Alabama has a new set of assistants every year and they still pull top 3 classes; I think you’re overestimating the “top tier” recruiters. For example, hartline at tOSU, is he really a good recruiter? He’s had a couple of dudes, but they would’ve ended up at tOSU regardless of whether or not he was there because Day’s offense is highly conducive to WRs getting drafted.
Obviously, talented recruiter + Mt. Rushmore name is the best situation. But recruiting ability is a talent, and not everybody has it.
Cristobal can recruit. Lanning can recruit. Oregon can recruit. Miami can recruit
So far Cristo is a better coach than Lannbo because he beat UW and Oregon State with his highly rated recruits and Lannbo didn't
It's a talent and a work ethic thing. I believe there are really and truly lazy recruiters and guysms who just aren't good at it. They're just not! Kelly was reputed to be both.
Anyway, my response to LSkid's theory, which is more fatalistic than my own. -
I used your post to take a shot at Lanningcreepycoug said:
My only point being, when you're at a school that doesn't historically dominate the headlines, it's not good enough to say, "Well, you can't get 5 stars to Eugene." Allegedly what Scott Frost said back in the day. Loser talk. Cristo brought in talent to fucking Rutgers. Someday, somebody's going to say the same thing about Washington, if they haven't already: "well, you can't expect us to bring in 5* talent; we're not a selector school."RaceBannon said:
It's really too bad that all his great recruits at Oregon had to portal out this year because Lanning needs time to get his own highly rated recruits in to try and not lose to UW and Oregon Statecreepycoug said:
Cristobal just pulled in a top 5 class in a down year for south florida recruiting (meaning he had to pull it in from places where the kids don't grow up on steady diet of "swagger". He's at a program that has been dreadful the past handful of years, a program that just came off a horrible and embarrassing season, and a program that hasn't done more than have spurts of "good" the last 18. And there are plenty of kids in that class that Bama and Buck wanted.theLSkid said:
If Oregon State spends 3 years with an in-state recruit and the day before signing day Nick Saban offers him; he’s going to Alabama. That’s a selector school.creepycoug said:
So "selector school" means you can go toe to toe with one of those other schools and expect to win no matter what?theLSkid said:There are no longer “dream schools” just selector schools.
For example, Kalen has probably spent 2-2 1/2 years on SD Wonderboy, but tOSU came to one game and flew him out to lose to UM and he still went to tOSU, why? they can select their athletes.
Bama, tOSU, Georgia, all selector schools, maybe you can throw in LSU in years past but not with Kelly at the helm.
What’s nice about the Presley flip is that it proves that UO isn’t a selector school, they can get the NIL kids but they aren’t beating out the top tier teams for talent, at least not often.
Is it really selector school or selector recruiter?
Alabama has a new set of assistants every year and they still pull top 3 classes; I think you’re overestimating the “top tier” recruiters. For example, hartline at tOSU, is he really a good recruiter? He’s had a couple of dudes, but they would’ve ended up at tOSU regardless of whether or not he was there because Day’s offense is highly conducive to WRs getting drafted.
Obviously, talented recruiter + Mt. Rushmore name is the best situation. But recruiting ability is a talent, and not everybody has it.
Cristobal can recruit. Lanning can recruit. Oregon can recruit. Miami can recruit
So far Cristo is a better coach than Lannbo because he beat UW and Oregon State with his highly rated recruits and Lannbo didn't
It's a talent and a work ethic thing. I believe there are really and truly lazy recruiters and guysms who just aren't good at it. They're just not! Kelly was reputed to be both.
Anyway, my response to LSkid's theory, which is more fatalistic than my own.
There have been internet battles going back years between those who say UW can do whatever it wants if it wants to and those who cry WE CAN'T
DeBoer and staff appear to be pretty good at this recruiting stuff. They needed a big year on the field and they cashed it in
Will be interesting going forward -
John Ruiz is the best recruiter at Miami… and it’s not even close.creepycoug said:
Cristobal just pulled in a top 5 class in a down year for south florida recruiting (meaning he had to pull it in from places where the kids don't grow up on steady diet of "swagger". He's at a program that has been dreadful the past handful of years, a program that just came off a horrible and embarrassing season, and a program that hasn't done more than have spurts of "good" the last 18. And there are plenty of kids in that class that Bama and Buck wanted.theLSkid said:
If Oregon State spends 3 years with an in-state recruit and the day before signing day Nick Saban offers him; he’s going to Alabama. That’s a selector school.creepycoug said:
So "selector school" means you can go toe to toe with one of those other schools and expect to win no matter what?theLSkid said:There are no longer “dream schools” just selector schools.
For example, Kalen has probably spent 2-2 1/2 years on SD Wonderboy, but tOSU came to one game and flew him out to lose to UM and he still went to tOSU, why? they can select their athletes.
Bama, tOSU, Georgia, all selector schools, maybe you can throw in LSU in years past but not with Kelly at the helm.
What’s nice about the Presley flip is that it proves that UO isn’t a selector school, they can get the NIL kids but they aren’t beating out the top tier teams for talent, at least not often.
Is it really selector school or selector recruiter?
Alabama has a new set of assistants every year and they still pull top 3 classes; I think you’re overestimating the “top tier” recruiters. For example, hartline at tOSU, is he really a good recruiter? He’s had a couple of dudes, but they would’ve ended up at tOSU regardless of whether or not he was there because Day’s offense is highly conducive to WRs getting drafted.
Obviously, talented recruiter + Mt. Rushmore name is the best situation. But recruiting ability is a talent, and not everybody has it.
tOSU isn’t a selector like it used to be because their NIL is complete dogshit, which will eventually be a reason NIL gets capped.
Nobody in their right mind wants to play for the Josh Gattis “Spread ur cheeks and lose for weeks” offense, but when you can buy a car, a house, and provide for your family, NO shit they’re gonna Miami. -
Well, sure. But that doesn't mean Cristobal isn't himself a great recruiter. His resume spans long before NIL and speaks for itself. Nobody before him recruited to Eugene like he did.theLSkid said:
John Ruiz is the best recruiter at Miami… and it’s not even close.creepycoug said:
Cristobal just pulled in a top 5 class in a down year for south florida recruiting (meaning he had to pull it in from places where the kids don't grow up on steady diet of "swagger". He's at a program that has been dreadful the past handful of years, a program that just came off a horrible and embarrassing season, and a program that hasn't done more than have spurts of "good" the last 18. And there are plenty of kids in that class that Bama and Buck wanted.theLSkid said:
If Oregon State spends 3 years with an in-state recruit and the day before signing day Nick Saban offers him; he’s going to Alabama. That’s a selector school.creepycoug said:
So "selector school" means you can go toe to toe with one of those other schools and expect to win no matter what?theLSkid said:There are no longer “dream schools” just selector schools.
For example, Kalen has probably spent 2-2 1/2 years on SD Wonderboy, but tOSU came to one game and flew him out to lose to UM and he still went to tOSU, why? they can select their athletes.
Bama, tOSU, Georgia, all selector schools, maybe you can throw in LSU in years past but not with Kelly at the helm.
What’s nice about the Presley flip is that it proves that UO isn’t a selector school, they can get the NIL kids but they aren’t beating out the top tier teams for talent, at least not often.
Is it really selector school or selector recruiter?
Alabama has a new set of assistants every year and they still pull top 3 classes; I think you’re overestimating the “top tier” recruiters. For example, hartline at tOSU, is he really a good recruiter? He’s had a couple of dudes, but they would’ve ended up at tOSU regardless of whether or not he was there because Day’s offense is highly conducive to WRs getting drafted.
Obviously, talented recruiter + Mt. Rushmore name is the best situation. But recruiting ability is a talent, and not everybody has it.
tOSU isn’t a selector like it used to be because their NIL is complete dogshit, which will eventually be a reason NIL gets capped.
Nobody in their right mind wants to play for the Josh Gattis “Spread ur cheeks and lose for weeks” offense, but when you can buy a car, a house, and provide for your family, NO shit they’re gonna Miami.
Also, while Miami is among the top in average spend, according to this ranking, they are outspent by others who have also had a lot of recent success and still recruited on par with them. Take Ohio State. Average NIL is $98 k. Miami's is $92 k. Ohio State spends a little more and (arguably) more importantly has had much more success during the lifetimes of the kids being recruited. So if Buck is spending the bucks and Buck football is appreciably more successful than Miami football over the last forever, then how does Miami recruit with them? Lazy Chip spends $68 k and is all the way down at 29, with all the recruiting advantages UCLA brings to the table. He's being outperformed in recruiting by cheapskates like Washington (26), Ole Miss (27), North Carolina (28), Tex Tech (25), Ute (24), Miss State (23), Ark, Mich, FSU TCU, MSU and South Carolina.
And Alabama and Georgia are the top two spenders, again, according to this ranking. Is it because they've been successful? Good recruiters? NIL?
Ask yourself this question. How many things in life thus far have proven to you to be explained by one monolithic factor or variable that overrides everything? For example, if it is all about NIL, then you'd have expected Miami to have landed an elite outside WR, which they need, and they didn't. If they could've just bought one, they'd have bought one. It's not that simple.
I've found most things involve a multitude influencing factors and that most things are more subtle. Except for abortion. That's black and white.
https://www.on3.com/db/rankings/consensus-team/football/2023/ -
Stop using me bro!RaceBannon said:
I used your post to take a shot at Lanningcreepycoug said:
My only point being, when you're at a school that doesn't historically dominate the headlines, it's not good enough to say, "Well, you can't get 5 stars to Eugene." Allegedly what Scott Frost said back in the day. Loser talk. Cristo brought in talent to fucking Rutgers. Someday, somebody's going to say the same thing about Washington, if they haven't already: "well, you can't expect us to bring in 5* talent; we're not a selector school."RaceBannon said:
It's really too bad that all his great recruits at Oregon had to portal out this year because Lanning needs time to get his own highly rated recruits in to try and not lose to UW and Oregon Statecreepycoug said:
Cristobal just pulled in a top 5 class in a down year for south florida recruiting (meaning he had to pull it in from places where the kids don't grow up on steady diet of "swagger". He's at a program that has been dreadful the past handful of years, a program that just came off a horrible and embarrassing season, and a program that hasn't done more than have spurts of "good" the last 18. And there are plenty of kids in that class that Bama and Buck wanted.theLSkid said:
If Oregon State spends 3 years with an in-state recruit and the day before signing day Nick Saban offers him; he’s going to Alabama. That’s a selector school.creepycoug said:
So "selector school" means you can go toe to toe with one of those other schools and expect to win no matter what?theLSkid said:There are no longer “dream schools” just selector schools.
For example, Kalen has probably spent 2-2 1/2 years on SD Wonderboy, but tOSU came to one game and flew him out to lose to UM and he still went to tOSU, why? they can select their athletes.
Bama, tOSU, Georgia, all selector schools, maybe you can throw in LSU in years past but not with Kelly at the helm.
What’s nice about the Presley flip is that it proves that UO isn’t a selector school, they can get the NIL kids but they aren’t beating out the top tier teams for talent, at least not often.
Is it really selector school or selector recruiter?
Alabama has a new set of assistants every year and they still pull top 3 classes; I think you’re overestimating the “top tier” recruiters. For example, hartline at tOSU, is he really a good recruiter? He’s had a couple of dudes, but they would’ve ended up at tOSU regardless of whether or not he was there because Day’s offense is highly conducive to WRs getting drafted.
Obviously, talented recruiter + Mt. Rushmore name is the best situation. But recruiting ability is a talent, and not everybody has it.
Cristobal can recruit. Lanning can recruit. Oregon can recruit. Miami can recruit
So far Cristo is a better coach than Lannbo because he beat UW and Oregon State with his highly rated recruits and Lannbo didn't
It's a talent and a work ethic thing. I believe there are really and truly lazy recruiters and guysms who just aren't good at it. They're just not! Kelly was reputed to be both.
Anyway, my response to LSkid's theory, which is more fatalistic than my own.
There have been internet battles going back years between those who say UW can do whatever it wants if it wants to and those who cry WE CAN'T
DeBoer and staff appear to be pretty good at this recruiting stuff. They needed a big year on the field and they cashed it in
Will be interesting going forward -
He leaves his ego at the door. Doesn't seem to try and sell kids. As long as UW plays their part which it looks like they are this should be the worst class he'll have here going forward. This class is already better than many of Pete's classes.RaceBannon said:
I used your post to take a shot at Lanningcreepycoug said:
My only point being, when you're at a school that doesn't historically dominate the headlines, it's not good enough to say, "Well, you can't get 5 stars to Eugene." Allegedly what Scott Frost said back in the day. Loser talk. Cristo brought in talent to fucking Rutgers. Someday, somebody's going to say the same thing about Washington, if they haven't already: "well, you can't expect us to bring in 5* talent; we're not a selector school."RaceBannon said:
It's really too bad that all his great recruits at Oregon had to portal out this year because Lanning needs time to get his own highly rated recruits in to try and not lose to UW and Oregon Statecreepycoug said:
Cristobal just pulled in a top 5 class in a down year for south florida recruiting (meaning he had to pull it in from places where the kids don't grow up on steady diet of "swagger". He's at a program that has been dreadful the past handful of years, a program that just came off a horrible and embarrassing season, and a program that hasn't done more than have spurts of "good" the last 18. And there are plenty of kids in that class that Bama and Buck wanted.theLSkid said:
If Oregon State spends 3 years with an in-state recruit and the day before signing day Nick Saban offers him; he’s going to Alabama. That’s a selector school.creepycoug said:
So "selector school" means you can go toe to toe with one of those other schools and expect to win no matter what?theLSkid said:There are no longer “dream schools” just selector schools.
For example, Kalen has probably spent 2-2 1/2 years on SD Wonderboy, but tOSU came to one game and flew him out to lose to UM and he still went to tOSU, why? they can select their athletes.
Bama, tOSU, Georgia, all selector schools, maybe you can throw in LSU in years past but not with Kelly at the helm.
What’s nice about the Presley flip is that it proves that UO isn’t a selector school, they can get the NIL kids but they aren’t beating out the top tier teams for talent, at least not often.
Is it really selector school or selector recruiter?
Alabama has a new set of assistants every year and they still pull top 3 classes; I think you’re overestimating the “top tier” recruiters. For example, hartline at tOSU, is he really a good recruiter? He’s had a couple of dudes, but they would’ve ended up at tOSU regardless of whether or not he was there because Day’s offense is highly conducive to WRs getting drafted.
Obviously, talented recruiter + Mt. Rushmore name is the best situation. But recruiting ability is a talent, and not everybody has it.
Cristobal can recruit. Lanning can recruit. Oregon can recruit. Miami can recruit
So far Cristo is a better coach than Lannbo because he beat UW and Oregon State with his highly rated recruits and Lannbo didn't
It's a talent and a work ethic thing. I believe there are really and truly lazy recruiters and guysms who just aren't good at it. They're just not! Kelly was reputed to be both.
Anyway, my response to LSkid's theory, which is more fatalistic than my own.
There have been internet battles going back years between those who say UW can do whatever it wants if it wants to and those who cry WE CAN'T
DeBoer and staff appear to be pretty good at this recruiting stuff. They needed a big year on the field and they cashed it in
Will be interesting going forward -
One thing I think you guys may be overlooking in the "LIPO" aspect of evaluation: how brilliant will this guy look when he doesn't have Penix. I myself do not believe he gave birth to Penix. He didn't develop his ability to dime drop. He had that before. Will he always have a Penix and this cadre of targets? What's he made of when he doesn't have that? LIPO.haie said:
He leaves his ego at the door. Doesn't seem to try and sell kids. As long as UW plays their part which it looks like they are this should be the worst class he'll have here going forward. This class is already better than many of Pete's classes.RaceBannon said:
I used your post to take a shot at Lanningcreepycoug said:
My only point being, when you're at a school that doesn't historically dominate the headlines, it's not good enough to say, "Well, you can't get 5 stars to Eugene." Allegedly what Scott Frost said back in the day. Loser talk. Cristo brought in talent to fucking Rutgers. Someday, somebody's going to say the same thing about Washington, if they haven't already: "well, you can't expect us to bring in 5* talent; we're not a selector school."RaceBannon said:
It's really too bad that all his great recruits at Oregon had to portal out this year because Lanning needs time to get his own highly rated recruits in to try and not lose to UW and Oregon Statecreepycoug said:
Cristobal just pulled in a top 5 class in a down year for south florida recruiting (meaning he had to pull it in from places where the kids don't grow up on steady diet of "swagger". He's at a program that has been dreadful the past handful of years, a program that just came off a horrible and embarrassing season, and a program that hasn't done more than have spurts of "good" the last 18. And there are plenty of kids in that class that Bama and Buck wanted.theLSkid said:
If Oregon State spends 3 years with an in-state recruit and the day before signing day Nick Saban offers him; he’s going to Alabama. That’s a selector school.creepycoug said:
So "selector school" means you can go toe to toe with one of those other schools and expect to win no matter what?theLSkid said:There are no longer “dream schools” just selector schools.
For example, Kalen has probably spent 2-2 1/2 years on SD Wonderboy, but tOSU came to one game and flew him out to lose to UM and he still went to tOSU, why? they can select their athletes.
Bama, tOSU, Georgia, all selector schools, maybe you can throw in LSU in years past but not with Kelly at the helm.
What’s nice about the Presley flip is that it proves that UO isn’t a selector school, they can get the NIL kids but they aren’t beating out the top tier teams for talent, at least not often.
Is it really selector school or selector recruiter?
Alabama has a new set of assistants every year and they still pull top 3 classes; I think you’re overestimating the “top tier” recruiters. For example, hartline at tOSU, is he really a good recruiter? He’s had a couple of dudes, but they would’ve ended up at tOSU regardless of whether or not he was there because Day’s offense is highly conducive to WRs getting drafted.
Obviously, talented recruiter + Mt. Rushmore name is the best situation. But recruiting ability is a talent, and not everybody has it.
Cristobal can recruit. Lanning can recruit. Oregon can recruit. Miami can recruit
So far Cristo is a better coach than Lannbo because he beat UW and Oregon State with his highly rated recruits and Lannbo didn't
It's a talent and a work ethic thing. I believe there are really and truly lazy recruiters and guysms who just aren't good at it. They're just not! Kelly was reputed to be both.
Anyway, my response to LSkid's theory, which is more fatalistic than my own.
There have been internet battles going back years between those who say UW can do whatever it wants if it wants to and those who cry WE CAN'T
DeBoer and staff appear to be pretty good at this recruiting stuff. They needed a big year on the field and they cashed it in
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This class looks similar to Petersen's first, which also had 4 blue chip types iirc. That class outperformed it's tbs ranking by a mile and I think this one will too.haie said:
He leaves his ego at the door. Doesn't seem to try and sell kids. As long as UW plays their part which it looks like they are this should be the worst class he'll have here going forward. This class is already better than many of Pete's classes.RaceBannon said:
I used your post to take a shot at Lanningcreepycoug said:
My only point being, when you're at a school that doesn't historically dominate the headlines, it's not good enough to say, "Well, you can't get 5 stars to Eugene." Allegedly what Scott Frost said back in the day. Loser talk. Cristo brought in talent to fucking Rutgers. Someday, somebody's going to say the same thing about Washington, if they haven't already: "well, you can't expect us to bring in 5* talent; we're not a selector school."RaceBannon said:
It's really too bad that all his great recruits at Oregon had to portal out this year because Lanning needs time to get his own highly rated recruits in to try and not lose to UW and Oregon Statecreepycoug said:
Cristobal just pulled in a top 5 class in a down year for south florida recruiting (meaning he had to pull it in from places where the kids don't grow up on steady diet of "swagger". He's at a program that has been dreadful the past handful of years, a program that just came off a horrible and embarrassing season, and a program that hasn't done more than have spurts of "good" the last 18. And there are plenty of kids in that class that Bama and Buck wanted.theLSkid said:
If Oregon State spends 3 years with an in-state recruit and the day before signing day Nick Saban offers him; he’s going to Alabama. That’s a selector school.creepycoug said:
So "selector school" means you can go toe to toe with one of those other schools and expect to win no matter what?theLSkid said:There are no longer “dream schools” just selector schools.
For example, Kalen has probably spent 2-2 1/2 years on SD Wonderboy, but tOSU came to one game and flew him out to lose to UM and he still went to tOSU, why? they can select their athletes.
Bama, tOSU, Georgia, all selector schools, maybe you can throw in LSU in years past but not with Kelly at the helm.
What’s nice about the Presley flip is that it proves that UO isn’t a selector school, they can get the NIL kids but they aren’t beating out the top tier teams for talent, at least not often.
Is it really selector school or selector recruiter?
Alabama has a new set of assistants every year and they still pull top 3 classes; I think you’re overestimating the “top tier” recruiters. For example, hartline at tOSU, is he really a good recruiter? He’s had a couple of dudes, but they would’ve ended up at tOSU regardless of whether or not he was there because Day’s offense is highly conducive to WRs getting drafted.
Obviously, talented recruiter + Mt. Rushmore name is the best situation. But recruiting ability is a talent, and not everybody has it.
Cristobal can recruit. Lanning can recruit. Oregon can recruit. Miami can recruit
So far Cristo is a better coach than Lannbo because he beat UW and Oregon State with his highly rated recruits and Lannbo didn't
It's a talent and a work ethic thing. I believe there are really and truly lazy recruiters and guysms who just aren't good at it. They're just not! Kelly was reputed to be both.
Anyway, my response to LSkid's theory, which is more fatalistic than my own.
There have been internet battles going back years between those who say UW can do whatever it wants if it wants to and those who cry WE CAN'T
DeBoer and staff appear to be pretty good at this recruiting stuff. They needed a big year on the field and they cashed it in
Will be interesting going forward
Elinneus Davis is going to surprise people, Vincent Holmes is a decent Budda Baker substitute, and they were aggressive about addressing the secondary and future OL issues.. It's a solid, complete class aside from QB. -
I've wondered that myself and I keep going back to a Grubb interview before the season: DeBoer wants to run it more (a lot more) than Grubb does.creepycoug said:
One thing I think you guys may be overlooking in the "LIPO" aspect of evaluation: how brilliant will this guy look when he doesn't have Penix. I myself do not believe he gave birth to Penix. He didn't develop his ability to dime drop. He had that before. Will he always have a Penix and this cadre of targets? What's he made of when he doesn't have that? LIPO.haie said:
He leaves his ego at the door. Doesn't seem to try and sell kids. As long as UW plays their part which it looks like they are this should be the worst class he'll have here going forward. This class is already better than many of Pete's classes.RaceBannon said:
I used your post to take a shot at Lanningcreepycoug said:
My only point being, when you're at a school that doesn't historically dominate the headlines, it's not good enough to say, "Well, you can't get 5 stars to Eugene." Allegedly what Scott Frost said back in the day. Loser talk. Cristo brought in talent to fucking Rutgers. Someday, somebody's going to say the same thing about Washington, if they haven't already: "well, you can't expect us to bring in 5* talent; we're not a selector school."RaceBannon said:
It's really too bad that all his great recruits at Oregon had to portal out this year because Lanning needs time to get his own highly rated recruits in to try and not lose to UW and Oregon Statecreepycoug said:
Cristobal just pulled in a top 5 class in a down year for south florida recruiting (meaning he had to pull it in from places where the kids don't grow up on steady diet of "swagger". He's at a program that has been dreadful the past handful of years, a program that just came off a horrible and embarrassing season, and a program that hasn't done more than have spurts of "good" the last 18. And there are plenty of kids in that class that Bama and Buck wanted.theLSkid said:
If Oregon State spends 3 years with an in-state recruit and the day before signing day Nick Saban offers him; he’s going to Alabama. That’s a selector school.creepycoug said:
So "selector school" means you can go toe to toe with one of those other schools and expect to win no matter what?theLSkid said:There are no longer “dream schools” just selector schools.
For example, Kalen has probably spent 2-2 1/2 years on SD Wonderboy, but tOSU came to one game and flew him out to lose to UM and he still went to tOSU, why? they can select their athletes.
Bama, tOSU, Georgia, all selector schools, maybe you can throw in LSU in years past but not with Kelly at the helm.
What’s nice about the Presley flip is that it proves that UO isn’t a selector school, they can get the NIL kids but they aren’t beating out the top tier teams for talent, at least not often.
Is it really selector school or selector recruiter?
Alabama has a new set of assistants every year and they still pull top 3 classes; I think you’re overestimating the “top tier” recruiters. For example, hartline at tOSU, is he really a good recruiter? He’s had a couple of dudes, but they would’ve ended up at tOSU regardless of whether or not he was there because Day’s offense is highly conducive to WRs getting drafted.
Obviously, talented recruiter + Mt. Rushmore name is the best situation. But recruiting ability is a talent, and not everybody has it.
Cristobal can recruit. Lanning can recruit. Oregon can recruit. Miami can recruit
So far Cristo is a better coach than Lannbo because he beat UW and Oregon State with his highly rated recruits and Lannbo didn't
It's a talent and a work ethic thing. I believe there are really and truly lazy recruiters and guysms who just aren't good at it. They're just not! Kelly was reputed to be both.
Anyway, my response to LSkid's theory, which is more fatalistic than my own.
There have been internet battles going back years between those who say UW can do whatever it wants if it wants to and those who cry WE CAN'T
DeBoer and staff appear to be pretty good at this recruiting stuff. They needed a big year on the field and they cashed it in
Will be interesting going forward
This class has OL more tailored to running, especially Hatchett.
My guess is they will be a lot more balanced after next year. -
DeBoner did take a UW backup and turn him into a bona fide stud at Fresno. Maybe he would have turned out to be as good if he stayed at UW, but I have big doubts.
I think QB will be fine — provided they have a room with some QBs in it.
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I mean, I'm sure he does develop QBs well, and that's his rep. But Penix is on another level ... a level I don't think coaching gets you.TheHB said:DeBoner did take a UW backup and turn him into a bona fide stud at Fresno. Maybe he would have turned out to be as good if he stayed at UW, but I have big doubts.
I think QB will be fine — provided they have a room with some QBs in it. -
Penix was 5-1, 68.8% completion, 1400 yards, 10 TDs to 4 INTs and 157.6 QBR with DeBoer as OC in 2019creepycoug said:
I mean, I'm sure he does develop QBs well, and that's his rep. But Penix is on another level ... a level I don't think coaching gets you.TheHB said:DeBoner did take a UW backup and turn him into a bona fide stud at Fresno. Maybe he would have turned out to be as good if he stayed at UW, but I have big doubts.
I think QB will be fine — provided they have a room with some QBs in it.
Penix was 2-3, 53.7% completion, 939 yards, 4 TDs to 7 INTs and 101.9 QBR without DeBoer in 2021
Penix is 10-2, 66.0% completion, 4354 yards, 29 TDs to 7 INTs and 155.5 QBR with Deboer at UW in 2022 -
You live and die by your QB, OSU and Bama have QB's all over the NFL, having an elite team and winning big games all hinges on great QB play, look at LSU, major drop off from Burrow. The last good Coug team had Minshew, the list goes on... Penix is good enough to play and win a Natty, his supporting staff/teammates need to be good. Our offense is good enough to play with anybody, our D is the question mark, Boner has done well filling holes, we'll see... DeBoner needs to put all chips in for next season and take advantage of his massive Penix while it lasts
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So there will always be a Penix at Washington as long as DeBore is here? Good to know!whatshouldicareabout said:
Penix was 5-1, 68.8% completion, 1400 yards, 10 TDs to 4 INTs and 157.6 QBR with DeBoer as OC in 2019creepycoug said:
I mean, I'm sure he does develop QBs well, and that's his rep. But Penix is on another level ... a level I don't think coaching gets you.TheHB said:DeBoner did take a UW backup and turn him into a bona fide stud at Fresno. Maybe he would have turned out to be as good if he stayed at UW, but I have big doubts.
I think QB will be fine — provided they have a room with some QBs in it.
Penix was 2-3, 53.7% completion, 939 yards, 4 TDs to 7 INTs and 101.9 QBR without DeBoer in 2021
Penix is 10-2, 66.0% completion, 4354 yards, 29 TDs to 7 INTs and 155.5 QBR with Deboer at UW in 2022 -
Not really. He has more going for him than a well coached scheme.creepycoug said:
So there will be always be a Penix at Washington as long as DeBore is here? Good to know!whatshouldicareabout said:
Penix was 5-1, 68.8% completion, 1400 yards, 10 TDs to 4 INTs and 157.6 QBR with DeBoer as OC in 2019creepycoug said:
I mean, I'm sure he does develop QBs well, and that's his rep. But Penix is on another level ... a level I don't think coaching gets you.TheHB said:DeBoner did take a UW backup and turn him into a bona fide stud at Fresno. Maybe he would have turned out to be as good if he stayed at UW, but I have big doubts.
I think QB will be fine — provided they have a room with some QBs in it.
Penix was 2-3, 53.7% completion, 939 yards, 4 TDs to 7 INTs and 101.9 QBR without DeBoer in 2021
Penix is 10-2, 66.0% completion, 4354 yards, 29 TDs to 7 INTs and 155.5 QBR with Deboer at UW in 2022
What I saw of Morris this season tells me he hasn't made a leap forward. Looks like the same scatter brained, scatter armed guy he already was.
Huard obviously hasn't improved or we would have seen him instead.
But...his record with Penix and Haener speaks strongly to his ability to find a guy he can coach. I'll still be a little concerned until it happens again, as striking out on HS recruits this year isn't a great sign either. I think things will work out though. -
Tldr correlation isn't causation and "it's hard".creepycoug said:
Well, sure. But that doesn't mean Cristobal isn't himself a great recruiter. His resume spans long before NIL and speaks for itself. Nobody before him recruited to Eugene like he did.theLSkid said:
John Ruiz is the best recruiter at Miami… and it’s not even close.creepycoug said:
Cristobal just pulled in a top 5 class in a down year for south florida recruiting (meaning he had to pull it in from places where the kids don't grow up on steady diet of "swagger". He's at a program that has been dreadful the past handful of years, a program that just came off a horrible and embarrassing season, and a program that hasn't done more than have spurts of "good" the last 18. And there are plenty of kids in that class that Bama and Buck wanted.theLSkid said:
If Oregon State spends 3 years with an in-state recruit and the day before signing day Nick Saban offers him; he’s going to Alabama. That’s a selector school.creepycoug said:
So "selector school" means you can go toe to toe with one of those other schools and expect to win no matter what?theLSkid said:There are no longer “dream schools” just selector schools.
For example, Kalen has probably spent 2-2 1/2 years on SD Wonderboy, but tOSU came to one game and flew him out to lose to UM and he still went to tOSU, why? they can select their athletes.
Bama, tOSU, Georgia, all selector schools, maybe you can throw in LSU in years past but not with Kelly at the helm.
What’s nice about the Presley flip is that it proves that UO isn’t a selector school, they can get the NIL kids but they aren’t beating out the top tier teams for talent, at least not often.
Is it really selector school or selector recruiter?
Alabama has a new set of assistants every year and they still pull top 3 classes; I think you’re overestimating the “top tier” recruiters. For example, hartline at tOSU, is he really a good recruiter? He’s had a couple of dudes, but they would’ve ended up at tOSU regardless of whether or not he was there because Day’s offense is highly conducive to WRs getting drafted.
Obviously, talented recruiter + Mt. Rushmore name is the best situation. But recruiting ability is a talent, and not everybody has it.
tOSU isn’t a selector like it used to be because their NIL is complete dogshit, which will eventually be a reason NIL gets capped.
Nobody in their right mind wants to play for the Josh Gattis “Spread ur cheeks and lose for weeks” offense, but when you can buy a car, a house, and provide for your family, NO shit they’re gonna Miami.
Also, while Miami is among the top in average spend, according to this ranking, they are outspent by others who have also had a lot of recent success and still recruited on par with them. Take Ohio State. Average NIL is $98 k. Miami's is $92 k. Ohio State spends a little more and (arguably) more importantly has had much more success during the lifetimes of the kids being recruited. So if Buck is spending the bucks and Buck football is appreciably more successful than Miami football over the last forever, then how does Miami recruit with them? Lazy Chip spends $68 k and is all the way down at 29, with all the recruiting advantages UCLA brings to the table. He's being outperformed in recruiting by cheapskates like Washington (26), Ole Miss (27), North Carolina (28), Tex Tech (25), Ute (24), Miss State (23), Ark, Mich, FSU TCU, MSU and South Carolina.
And Alabama and Georgia are the top two spenders, again, according to this ranking. Is it because they've been successful? Good recruiters? NIL?
Ask yourself this question. How many things in life thus far have proven to you to be explained by one monolithic factor or variable that overrides everything? For example, if it is all about NIL, then you'd have expected Miami to have landed an elite outside WR, which they need, and they didn't. If they could've just bought one, they'd have bought one. It's not that simple.
I've found most things involve a multitude influencing factors and that most things are more subtle. Except for abortion. That's black and white.
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