Is there a group of people more allergic to work
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No.
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Government workers are close.
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I should have specified public school teachers.Bob_C said:Government workers are close.
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Public school teachers are the biggest bunch of whiners in our country. Bunch of leftist, entitled whiners that complain and carry on about how abused and disrespected they are.
Their first solution to problems in public schools is to pay them more.
I come from a family of them.
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You ended up in munitions?Blu82 said:Public school teachers are the biggest bunch of whiners in our country. Bunch of leftist, entitled whiners that complain and carry on about how abused and disrespected they are.
Their first solution to problems in public schools is to pay them more.
I come from a family of them. -
Me too. They all think they are so important and elevate their worth in their minds. They live in a weird bubbleBlu82 said:Public school teachers are the biggest bunch of whiners in our country. Bunch of leftist, entitled whiners that complain and carry on about how abused and disrespected they are.
Their first solution to problems in public schools is to pay them more.
I come from a family of them. -
I think we should pay teachers more money. I say that because my friends on Facebook all give me likes. Not really sure why they should get more but I feel good as a person for saying things like this.
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And if someone disagrees tell them teachers work 65 hours a week and don't really get summers off because they spend all summer doing lesson plans, going to workshops and getting masters degrees. Also tell them teachers spend all of their money on school supplies.CuntWaffle said:I think we should pay teachers more money. I say that because my friends on Facebook all give me likes. Not really sure why they should get more but I feel good as a person for saying things like this.
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I always chuckle when it's like pay them what they are worth!
Idk babysitters are pretty low paid.
But people who are teachers are generally morons. All millennials have known since the 90s its a bad job and you won't get paid well.
So those who grow up knowing this, become one, then complain about it are retarded -
At least were I life the get paid well with good benefits. Starting pay with no experience is snot $55k with about $15-20k in benefits. Many teachers here making close to $150k including benefitsPitchfork51 said:I always chuckle when it's like pay them what they are worth!
Idk babysitters are pretty low paid.
But people who are teachers are generally morons. All millennials have known since the 90s its a bad job and you won't get paid well.
So those who grow up knowing this, become one, then complain about it are retarded -
My two teacher dads (RIP) are rolling over in their graves at the compensation vs. quality of public school brainwashers these days.MikeDamone said:
At least were I life the get paid well with good benefits. Starting pay with no experience is snot $55k with about $15-20k in benefits. Many teachers here making close to $150k including benefitsPitchfork51 said:I always chuckle when it's like pay them what they are worth!
Idk babysitters are pretty low paid.
But people who are teachers are generally morons. All millennials have known since the 90s its a bad job and you won't get paid well.
So those who grow up knowing this, become one, then complain about it are retarded
Very fortunate to have been educated by a generation of WWII and Korean War vets who actually gave a fuck about their country and getting the most out of their students. And if that included slamming them up against a locker or shaming the fuck out of the idiots, so be it. And I'm not talking about their students. They'd self-police idiot teachers. Teacher unions meant jack shit then. They took care of the misfits.
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Oregon coaching staff.
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Hammer that narrative
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People teachers can just get a raise. They are government workers, within a government budget. They are also union workers. They just don’t get more money. If you want to teachers improve, get rid of union and best teachers get more pay. Right now,
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Agreed, because actually thinking about important things is just too hard.CuntWaffle said:I think we should pay teachers more money. I say that because my friends on Facebook all give me likes. Not really sure why they should get more but I feel good as a person for saying things like this.
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Boot poor performance. Schools should be local. Open schools to enrollment no boundaries. The free market will work this shit out in few months. Money follows the child.
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The ones who complain the most are the least likely to quit their horrible underpaid jobs and go do something else. The average teacher is paid just fine. The below average teachers are way overpaid and the above average teachers are underpaid. The fact that Americans vote for democrats that are owned by the teacher unions and won't fire poor performers but would rather have their kids fail to learn reading, writing and arithmetic is just a sign of the high character of our nation.Pitchfork51 said:I always chuckle when it's like pay them what they are worth!
Idk babysitters are pretty low paid.
But people who are teachers are generally morons. All millennials have known since the 90s its a bad job and you won't get paid well.
So those who grow up knowing this, become one, then complain about it are retarded -
Adjusted for inflation and CoL, we spend exponentially more per student now than when I was in grade school and no one had a problem coming to school with colored pencils, an eraser, some Elmer’s glue, scissors, and a ruler/3 ring binder or pee chee folder in 1985.
What’s changed?
Could it be the explosion in bureaucracy within public schools?
Nah couldn’t be that. Let’s just ask for more money since we can’t budget the riches we already have. -
Started with some expensive calculators for grade schoolers so they didn't need to learn their Times tables or how to divide.thechatch said:Adjusted for inflation and CoL, we spend exponentially more per student now than when I was in grade school and no one had a problem coming to school with colored pencils, an eraser, some Elmer’s glue, scissors, and a ruler/3 ring binder or pee chee folder in 1985.
What’s changed?
Could it be the explosion in bureaucracy within public schools?
Nah couldn’t be that. Let’s just ask for more money since we can’t budget the riches we already have. -
My wife was a high school English teacher for a decade. Every single one of the whiny excuses dismissed here were the case with her. She was National Board certified, was required to get the equivalent of a masters on the side while doing her day job, brought about 20 hours worth of work home with her per week, and topped out at about $60K (theoretically; she would have made that had she worked full-time, but this was impossible after the kids were born). The upside was getting nine weeks off in breaks every year. In the meantime, Common Core meant that every teacher had to completely revamp their lesson plans every year, so there was no getting into a groove, parents would blame her for their little shits being retards, and the kids became increasingly cruel. I could see the above arguments being valid for, say, a PE teacher or elementary school teacher or sixth grad math or something, but there are plenty of public school teachers that really do bust ass.
I pretty much begged her to quit, as she was only bringing home $500 per month after daycare, and I wasn't able to do shit on the weekends because she was grading papers. I could literally pick up one overtime shift per month and double what she brought in, so it just seemed stupid for her to be occupied seven days per week. My free time multiplied by ten for just $500 per month. It was a no-brainer. After the kids started school, she didn't want to sit around, so now she's running a business that's bringing in nearly what she was making teaching but with far fewer hours, a completely flexible schedule, and she's way happier. Win-win.
At the peak of her earning, I was making three times what she made (with better benefits and six weeks vacation to her nine) while 80% of my job involves napping, watching races or football games, surfing Hardcore Husky, etc. If we want to discuss allergic to work, try spending a day at a refinery surrounded by pussy liberal refinery workers. My biggest challenge every shift these days is getting the console operator to put the Nintendo Switch down for a second to advance permissives so I can turn a valve. It takes me two months to train an operator at a new job because they can only pay attention for a couple of hours per day. I've seen battles that last a whole day over the audacious suggestion that one perform an honest hour of work. -
The teachers aren’t the problem, 80% of the time. It’s the administrative/political system that they work under.
Teachers are underpaid…but they aren’t underpaid because the money isn’t there.
https://reason.org/commentary/inflation-adjusted-k-12-education-spending-per-student-has-increased-by-280-percent-since-1960/ -
Teachers love their union.alumni94 said:People teachers can just get a raise. They are government workers, within a government budget. They are also union workers. They just don’t get more money. If you want to teachers improve, get rid of union and best teachers get more pay. Right now,
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My sister is an elementary school teacher and isn’t require to do shit, and doesn’t. They get lesson plans handed to them by the state. They notion of underpaid over worked teachers is utter bullshit.1to392831weretaken said:My wife was a high school English teacher for a decade. Every single one of the whiny excuses dismissed here were the case with her. She was National Board certified, was required to get the equivalent of a masters on the side while doing her day job, brought about 20 hours worth of work home with her per week, and topped out at about $60K (theoretically; she would have made that had she worked full-time, but this was impossible after the kids were born). The upside was getting nine weeks off in breaks every year. In the meantime, Common Core meant that every teacher had to completely revamp their lesson plans every year, so there was no getting into a groove, parents would blame her for their little shits being retards, and the kids became increasingly cruel. I could see the above arguments being valid for, say, a PE teacher or elementary school teacher or sixth grad math or something, but there are plenty of public school teachers that really do bust ass.
I pretty much begged her to quit, as she was only bringing home $500 per month after daycare, and I wasn't able to do shit on the weekends because she was grading papers. I could literally pick up one overtime shift per month and double what she brought in, so it just seemed stupid for her to be occupied seven days per week. My free time multiplied by ten for just $500 per month. It was a no-brainer. After the kids started school, she didn't want to sit around, so now she's running a business that's bringing in nearly what she was making teaching but with far fewer hours, a completely flexible schedule, and she's way happier. Win-win.
At the peak of her earning, I was making three times what she made (with better benefits and six weeks vacation to her nine) while 80% of my job involves napping, watching races or football games, surfing Hardcore Husky, etc. If we want to discuss allergic to work, try spending a day at a refinery surrounded by pussy liberal refinery workers. My biggest challenge every shift these days is getting the console operator to put the Nintendo Switch down for a second to advance permissives so I can turn a valve. It takes me two months to train an operator at a new job because they can only pay attention for a couple of hours per day. I've seen battles that last a whole day over the audacious suggestion that one perform an honest hour of work. -
As, yourself why teachers and their union are against this? Then read title of the original post.Sledog said:Boot poor performance. Schools should be local. Open schools to enrollment no boundaries. The free market will work this shit out in few months. Money follows the child.
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I always like to counter this argument to them by saying, you know who also has to buy their own tools. Pretty much every roofer, plumber, carpenter and mechanic.MikeDamone said:Hammer that narrative
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$820 is based on a survey of lying leftards. Sure that figure is just as solid as a teacher's work week. My son's first grade teacher was "sick" at least one day every two weeks. Usually a Monday. They couldn't fire her.Alexis said:
I always like to counter this argument to them by saying, you know who also has to buy their own tools. Pretty much every roofer, plumber, carpenter and mechanic.MikeDamone said:Hammer that narrative
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Except they aren’t underpaid. No matter how much they get, they still drive the “underpaid” narrative. 4 years ago we have the “Mccleary” decision where schools had to be fully funded by the state. Teachers got 20-30% raises. Our property taxes went to 20-30%. The intent was schools wouldn’t have to rely on local levy’s. It took almost no time before schools and teachers started in again bitching about no money and local levy’s.WestlinnDuck said:
The ones who complain the most are the least likely to quit their horrible underpaid jobs and go do something else. The average teacher is paid just fine. The below average teachers are way overpaid and the above average teachers are underpaid. The fact that Americans vote for democrats that are owned by the teacher unions and won't fire poor performers but would rather have their kids fail to learn reading, writing and arithmetic is just a sign of the high character of our nation.Pitchfork51 said:I always chuckle when it's like pay them what they are worth!
Idk babysitters are pretty low paid.
But people who are teachers are generally morons. All millennials have known since the 90s its a bad job and you won't get paid well.
So those who grow up knowing this, become one, then complain about it are retarded
Here are the salaries. Remember to add 20-30% to these numbers for benefits
https://fiscal.wa.gov/DVK12Salaries.aspx -
They aren’t underpaid. And they are the problem because they allow the union to run the show.thechatch said:The teachers aren’t the problem, 80% of the time. It’s the administrative/political system that they work under.
Teachers are underpaid…but they aren’t underpaid because the money isn’t there.
https://reason.org/commentary/inflation-adjusted-k-12-education-spending-per-student-has-increased-by-280-percent-since-1960/ -
I'm talking about difference makers. Like math teachers, a quality English teacher who can communicate the beauty of the written word and can teach you to write a proper essay or science teacher that actually teaches science and not a bunch of made up bull sh*t. I had some of these and have always respected their work and commitment. I was lucky because I was mostly in AP type classes with great teachers and a peer group that actually wanted to learn. After law school, you usually take a Bar Preparation class. In it, they basically told the students to use an essay type approach to answering written questions, like develop your thesis in you opening paragraphs, support your thesis in the body of your essay and then have a conclusion tying it together. I'd been doing that since middle school. That approach was a shock to many law school grads in the prep class who had made it through law school, like the dementia patient (who finished 75 out of 86 grads) who most likely failed the bar exam on his first attempt.MikeDamone said:
Except they aren’t underpaid. No matter how much they get, they still drive the “underpaid” narrative. 4 years ago we have the “Mccleary” decision where schools had to be fully funded by the state. Teachers got 20-30% raises. Our property taxes went to 20-30%. The intent was schools wouldn’t have to rely on local levy’s. It took almost no time before schools and teachers started in again bitching about no money and local levy’s.WestlinnDuck said:
The ones who complain the most are the least likely to quit their horrible underpaid jobs and go do something else. The average teacher is paid just fine. The below average teachers are way overpaid and the above average teachers are underpaid. The fact that Americans vote for democrats that are owned by the teacher unions and won't fire poor performers but would rather have their kids fail to learn reading, writing and arithmetic is just a sign of the high character of our nation.Pitchfork51 said:I always chuckle when it's like pay them what they are worth!
Idk babysitters are pretty low paid.
But people who are teachers are generally morons. All millennials have known since the 90s its a bad job and you won't get paid well.
So those who grow up knowing this, become one, then complain about it are retarded
Here are the salaries. Remember to add 20-30% to these numbers for benefits
https://fiscal.wa.gov/DVK12Salaries.aspx
I agree that the administrators are overpaid and most should just be fired and never replaced.
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It’s difficult to determine, but the fact Biden graduated from law school one year before the year in which he passed the bar suggests he probably failed the bar at least once, as most lawyers first take the bar exam in the year they graduate. Biden would be in good company among his Democratic political friends, as Kamala Harris, Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton each failed the bar exam the first time they took it, something that only about 1 in 4 lawyers manages to do.
PS Our crack US Senator Ron Wyden failed the Oregon bar exam three times, then gave up. But they all claim to be so smart.
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Thank the union for that. Most teachers hate capitalism and love the socialist narrative. I guess if a good teacher is underpaid they will take their services elsewhere, or maybe they enjoy the thought of shitty teachers doing half as much work and getting paid the same as they do. I’d guess 81% or the teachers or more vote dem all the way down the ballot. I know a couple that didn’t and they quit. They got tired of the bullshit and didn’t play along with the narrative.WestlinnDuck said:
I'm talking about difference makers. Like math teachers, a quality English teacher who can communicate the beauty of the written word and can teach you to write a proper essay or science teacher that actually teaches science and not a bunch of made up bull sh*t. I had some of these and have always respected their work and commitment. I was lucky because I was mostly in AP type classes with great teachers and a peer group that actually wanted to learn. After law school, you usually take a Bar Preparation class. In it, they basically told the students to use an essay type approach to answering written questions, like develop your thesis in you opening paragraphs, support your thesis in the body of your essay and then have a conclusion tying it together. I'd been doing that since middle school. That approach was a shock to many law school grads in the prep class who had made it through law school, like the dementia patient (who finished 75 out of 86 grads) who most likely failed the bar exam on his first attempt.MikeDamone said:
Except they aren’t underpaid. No matter how much they get, they still drive the “underpaid” narrative. 4 years ago we have the “Mccleary” decision where schools had to be fully funded by the state. Teachers got 20-30% raises. Our property taxes went to 20-30%. The intent was schools wouldn’t have to rely on local levy’s. It took almost no time before schools and teachers started in again bitching about no money and local levy’s.WestlinnDuck said:
The ones who complain the most are the least likely to quit their horrible underpaid jobs and go do something else. The average teacher is paid just fine. The below average teachers are way overpaid and the above average teachers are underpaid. The fact that Americans vote for democrats that are owned by the teacher unions and won't fire poor performers but would rather have their kids fail to learn reading, writing and arithmetic is just a sign of the high character of our nation.Pitchfork51 said:I always chuckle when it's like pay them what they are worth!
Idk babysitters are pretty low paid.
But people who are teachers are generally morons. All millennials have known since the 90s its a bad job and you won't get paid well.
So those who grow up knowing this, become one, then complain about it are retarded
Here are the salaries. Remember to add 20-30% to these numbers for benefits
https://fiscal.wa.gov/DVK12Salaries.aspx
I agree that the administrators are overpaid and most should just be fired and never replaced.
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It’s difficult to determine, but the fact Biden graduated from law school one year before the year in which he passed the bar suggests he probably failed the bar at least once, as most lawyers first take the bar exam in the year they graduate. Biden would be in good company among his Democratic political friends, as Kamala Harris, Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton each failed the bar exam the first time they took it, something that only about 1 in 4 lawyers manages to do.
PS Our crack US Senator Ron Wyden failed the Oregon bar exam three times, then gave up. But they all claim to be so smart.
My sister who teaches 10 year olds has trans kids in her class. She loves telling the little boy how pretty his dress is and plays right along with glee. She gets offended when I ask her if she’d help an anorexic girl who thinks she’s obese lose weight.
