Question for trumptards

AOG said:

So whatever... Your posts are the usual collection of ad hominems, red herrings, straw men. Mostly the problem is your inability to overcome bias and grasp reality.

OK! I leave you to the inquisition,

You gonna pick men up when its my time sweet cheeks? I'll give you a nice welcome.

Swaye said:

AOG said:

Okay trumptards think Trump can take whatever he wants, the system is corrupt, he is the victim.

The problem is though given his history with Putin, that he expected to gain from stolen information, he welcomed russian help, he could use such highly classified documents to bargain for greater help than he usually gets from Putin in elections. And we can assume he did not leave a record of what he took other than staff could not locate his documents. Without leaving a record there is no way of ascertaining whether or not he declassified the documents. Based on these considerations a raid was warranted and duly carried out.

The level of struggle here is off the charts.

Not a struggle if your are a habitual liar.

Swaye said:

MelloDawg said:

Bendintheriver said:

MelloDawg said:

Sledog said:

AOG said:

The news says he left with intercepted communications, which is a crime to take home with you (for anyone)

The President can. He can also declassify anything he wants. You should read the rules.

Broad broad generalization. You should also read these rules.

This is what is worthless about having a discussion with brain dead goose stepping rat morons.

"Broad generalizations". Did you think your weak assed attempt to ignore facts was going to make for a good argument?

Be an adult. Be honest and if you are going to vote for your corrupt politicians be a man and own it instead of lying your ass off.

What facts was I ignoring? I assure you he can’t say “I declassify this” and then it’s declassified.

Actually he can. As one of the only people on this board who maintained a TS/SCI for years, I feel I have more than just passing knowledge of this, and I can assure you the President can declassify anything at will. This is well established. But don't take my word for it

From Politifact in 2017:

Experts agreed that the president, as commander-in-chief, is ultimately responsible for classification and declassification. When someone lower in the chain of command handles classification and declassification duties -- which is usually how it’s done -- it’s because they have been delegated to do so by the president directly, or by an appointee chosen by the president.

The majority ruling in the 1988 Supreme Court case Department of Navy vs. Egan -- which addressed the legal recourse of a Navy employee who had been denied a security clearance -- addresses this line of authority.

"The President, after all, is the ‘Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States’" according to Article II of the Constitution, the court’s majority wrote. "His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security ... flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant."

Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy, said that such authority gives the president the authority to "classify and declassify at will."

In fact, Robert F. Turner, associate director of the University of Virginia's Center for National Security Law, said that "if Congress were to enact a statute seeking to limit the president’s authority to classify or declassify national security information, or to prohibit him from sharing certain kinds of information with Russia, it would raise serious separation of powers constitutional issues."

The official documents governing classification and declassification stem from executive orders. But even these executive orders aren’t necessarily binding on the president. The president is not "obliged to follow any procedures other than those that he himself has prescribed," Aftergood said. "And he can change those."

So the only real question here is whether or not he did declassify it. I do not have the answer to that, but it really is as simple as Trump saying "all of this shit is now declassified." And Congress can't do fuckall about it. I figured as our resident board centrist you would want to be accurate and since you were spreading disinformation I wanted to set the record straight. You are welcome for my service.

Hello, 911? I'd like to report a murder.

AOG said:

hardhat said:

Swaye said:

MelloDawg said:

Bendintheriver said:

MelloDawg said:

Sledog said:

AOG said:

The news says he left with intercepted communications, which is a crime to take home with you (for anyone)

The President can. He can also declassify anything he wants. You should read the rules.

Broad broad generalization. You should also read these rules.

This is what is worthless about having a discussion with brain dead goose stepping rat morons.

"Broad generalizations". Did you think your weak assed attempt to ignore facts was going to make for a good argument?

Be an adult. Be honest and if you are going to vote for your corrupt politicians be a man and own it instead of lying your ass off.

What facts was I ignoring? I assure you he can’t say “I declassify this” and then it’s declassified.

Actually he can. As one of the only people on this board who maintained a TS/SCI for years, I feel I have more than just passing knowledge of this, and I can assure you the President can declassify anything at will. This is well established. But don't take my word for it

From Politifact in 2017:

Experts agreed that the president, as commander-in-chief, is ultimately responsible for classification and declassification. When someone lower in the chain of command handles classification and declassification duties -- which is usually how it’s done -- it’s because they have been delegated to do so by the president directly, or by an appointee chosen by the president.

The majority ruling in the 1988 Supreme Court case Department of Navy vs. Egan -- which addressed the legal recourse of a Navy employee who had been denied a security clearance -- addresses this line of authority.

"The President, after all, is the ‘Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States’" according to Article II of the Constitution, the court’s majority wrote. "His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security ... flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant."

Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy, said that such authority gives the president the authority to "classify and declassify at will."

In fact, Robert F. Turner, associate director of the University of Virginia's Center for National Security Law, said that "if Congress were to enact a statute seeking to limit the president’s authority to classify or declassify national security information, or to prohibit him from sharing certain kinds of information with Russia, it would raise serious separation of powers constitutional issues."

The official documents governing classification and declassification stem from executive orders. But even these executive orders aren’t necessarily binding on the president. The president is not "obliged to follow any procedures other than those that he himself has prescribed," Aftergood said. "And he can change those."

So the only real question here is whether or not he did declassify it. I do not have the answer to that, but it really is as simple as Trump saying "all of this shit is now declassified." And Congress can't do fuckall about it. I figured as our resident board centrist you would want to be accurate and since you were spreading disinformation I wanted to set the record straight. You are welcome for my service.

Hello, 911? I'd like to report a murder.

Anybody who ever worked in any business anywhere doing anything important knows that there has to be an auditable record. Otherwise no one knows what has been declassified.

And everyone knows that you don't do anything important in any capacity.

Swaye said:

MelloDawg said:

Bendintheriver said:

MelloDawg said:

Sledog said:

AOG said:

The news says he left with intercepted communications, which is a crime to take home with you (for anyone)

The President can. He can also declassify anything he wants. You should read the rules.

Broad broad generalization. You should also read these rules.

This is what is worthless about having a discussion with brain dead goose stepping rat morons.

"Broad generalizations". Did you think your weak assed attempt to ignore facts was going to make for a good argument?

Be an adult. Be honest and if you are going to vote for your corrupt politicians be a man and own it instead of lying your ass off.

What facts was I ignoring? I assure you he can’t say “I declassify this” and then it’s declassified.

Actually he can. As one of the only people on this board who maintained a TS/SCI for years, I feel I have more than just passing knowledge of this, and I can assure you the President can declassify anything at will. This is well established. But don't take my word for it

From Politifact in 2017:

Experts agreed that the president, as commander-in-chief, is ultimately responsible for classification and declassification. When someone lower in the chain of command handles classification and declassification duties -- which is usually how it’s done -- it’s because they have been delegated to do so by the president directly, or by an appointee chosen by the president.

The majority ruling in the 1988 Supreme Court case Department of Navy vs. Egan -- which addressed the legal recourse of a Navy employee who had been denied a security clearance -- addresses this line of authority.

"The President, after all, is the ‘Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States’" according to Article II of the Constitution, the court’s majority wrote. "His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security ... flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant."

Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy, said that such authority gives the president the authority to "classify and declassify at will."

In fact, Robert F. Turner, associate director of the University of Virginia's Center for National Security Law, said that "if Congress were to enact a statute seeking to limit the president’s authority to classify or declassify national security information, or to prohibit him from sharing certain kinds of information with Russia, it would raise serious separation of powers constitutional issues."

The official documents governing classification and declassification stem from executive orders. But even these executive orders aren’t necessarily binding on the president. The president is not "obliged to follow any procedures other than those that he himself has prescribed," Aftergood said. "And he can change those."

So the only real question here is whether or not he did declassify it. I do not have the answer to that, but it really is as simple as Trump saying "all of this shit is now declassified." And Congress can't do fuckall about it. I figured as our resident board centrist you would want to be accurate and since you were spreading disinformation I wanted to set the record straight. You are welcome for my service.

Shocker. Something that people aren't very well versed in gets twisted by the media to sound like this super evil thing and Dems get up in arms about it? Then as usual wishful thinking isn't reality so nothing happens then they claim that everyone is just paid off like the NY ag lol.

The one who campaigned on "getting trump" then realized they didn't really have anything real and gave up lol


"He was paid off!"

Dude no amount of money would turn someone away from taking down trump if it were legit. Theyd be hailed as a legitimate hero for like a decade and never have to work again and be filthy rich off appearances

I would do it in a hot second. Hell you don't even have to make it stick just get close. You'd still be a hero and filthy rich

Avennatti had the right idea lol. But you're not supposed to do it if you are trying to hide a thousand crimes lol

At this point I'm surprised sark hasn't seen an opportunity to jump into the fray

MikeDamone said:

Swaye said:

MelloDawg said:

Bendintheriver said:

MelloDawg said:

Sledog said:

AOG said:

The news says he left with intercepted communications, which is a crime to take home with you (for anyone)

The President can. He can also declassify anything he wants. You should read the rules.

Broad broad generalization. You should also read these rules.

This is what is worthless about having a discussion with brain dead goose stepping rat morons.

"Broad generalizations". Did you think your weak assed attempt to ignore facts was going to make for a good argument?

Be an adult. Be honest and if you are going to vote for your corrupt politicians be a man and own it instead of lying your ass off.

What facts was I ignoring? I assure you he can’t say “I declassify this” and then it’s declassified.

Actually he can. As one of the only people on this board who maintained a TS/SCI for years, I feel I have more than just passing knowledge of this, and I can assure you the President can declassify anything at will. This is well established. But don't take my word for it

From Politifact in 2017:

Experts agreed that the president, as commander-in-chief, is ultimately responsible for classification and declassification. When someone lower in the chain of command handles classification and declassification duties -- which is usually how it’s done -- it’s because they have been delegated to do so by the president directly, or by an appointee chosen by the president.

The majority ruling in the 1988 Supreme Court case Department of Navy vs. Egan -- which addressed the legal recourse of a Navy employee who had been denied a security clearance -- addresses this line of authority.

"The President, after all, is the ‘Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States’" according to Article II of the Constitution, the court’s majority wrote. "His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security ... flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant."

Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy, said that such authority gives the president the authority to "classify and declassify at will."

In fact, Robert F. Turner, associate director of the University of Virginia's Center for National Security Law, said that "if Congress were to enact a statute seeking to limit the president’s authority to classify or declassify national security information, or to prohibit him from sharing certain kinds of information with Russia, it would raise serious separation of powers constitutional issues."

The official documents governing classification and declassification stem from executive orders. But even these executive orders aren’t necessarily binding on the president. The president is not "obliged to follow any procedures other than those that he himself has prescribed," Aftergood said. "And he can change those."

So the only real question here is whether or not he did declassify it. I do not have the answer to that, but it really is as simple as Trump saying "all of this shit is now declassified." And Congress can't do fuckall about it. I figured as our resident board centrist you would want to be accurate and since you were spreading disinformation I wanted to set the record straight. You are welcome for my service.

Honron!!!

pawz said:

MelloDawg said:

Bendintheriver said:

MelloDawg said:

Sledog said:

AOG said:

The news says he left with intercepted communications, which is a crime to take home with you (for anyone)

The President can. He can also declassify anything he wants. You should read the rules.

Broad broad generalization. You should also read these rules.

This is what is worthless about having a discussion with brain dead goose stepping rat morons.

"Broad generalizations". Did you think your weak assed attempt to ignore facts was going to make for a good argument?

Be an adult. Be honest and if you are going to vote for your corrupt politicians be a man and own it instead of lying your ass off.

What facts was I ignoring? I assure you he can’t say “I declassify this” and then it’s declassified.

I assure you, you have no idea what you are talking about. POTUS and VPOTUS are the only ones in all of government with unilateral discretion to declassify.

Is 'centrist' code for not well read?

While president? Sure, the process is fairly straightforward.

After he’s president? Much much different story, which is the essence of this argument.

Daddy can do whatever he wants?

USMChawk said:

MelloDawg said:

pawz said:

MelloDawg said:

Bendintheriver said:

MelloDawg said:

Sledog said:

AOG said:

The news says he left with intercepted communications, which is a crime to take home with you (for anyone)

The President can. He can also declassify anything he wants. You should read the rules.

Broad broad generalization. You should also read these rules.

This is what is worthless about having a discussion with brain dead goose stepping rat morons.

"Broad generalizations". Did you think your weak assed attempt to ignore facts was going to make for a good argument?

Be an adult. Be honest and if you are going to vote for your corrupt politicians be a man and own it instead of lying your ass off.

What facts was I ignoring? I assure you he can’t say “I declassify this” and then it’s declassified.

I assure you, you have no idea what you are talking about. POTUS and VPOTUS are the only ones in all of government with unilateral discretion to declassify.

Is 'centrist' code for not well read?

While president? Sure, the process is fairly straightforward.

After he’s president? Much much different story, which is the essence of this argument.

As a former President he still maintains a TS clearance and also has a SCIF at Mar A Lago. If he had any TS information stored there, and it was properly stored in the SCIF, then there’s no issue.

If there’s no issue with the possession and storage then why the warrant? Try not to hurt yourself.

But possession is the issue while any security clearance is not. And we don't know whether storage was an issue yet.

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

USMChawk said:

MelloDawg said:

pawz said:

MelloDawg said:

Bendintheriver said:

MelloDawg said:

Sledog said:

AOG said:

The news says he left with intercepted communications, which is a crime to take home with you (for anyone)

The President can. He can also declassify anything he wants. You should read the rules.

Broad broad generalization. You should also read these rules.

This is what is worthless about having a discussion with brain dead goose stepping rat morons.

"Broad generalizations". Did you think your weak assed attempt to ignore facts was going to make for a good argument?

Be an adult. Be honest and if you are going to vote for your corrupt politicians be a man and own it instead of lying your ass off.

What facts was I ignoring? I assure you he can’t say “I declassify this” and then it’s declassified.

I assure you, you have no idea what you are talking about. POTUS and VPOTUS are the only ones in all of government with unilateral discretion to declassify.

Is 'centrist' code for not well read?

While president? Sure, the process is fairly straightforward.

After he’s president? Much much different story, which is the essence of this argument.

As a former President he still maintains a TS clearance and also has a SCIF at Mar A Lago. If he had any TS information stored there, and it was properly stored in the SCIF, then there’s no issue.

If there’s no issue with the possession and storage then why the warrant? Try not to hurt yourself.

But possession is the issue while any security clearance is not. And we don't know whether storage was an issue yet.

Sure Adolf

statutes are fascist

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

USMChawk said:

MelloDawg said:

pawz said:

MelloDawg said:

Bendintheriver said:

MelloDawg said:

Sledog said:

AOG said:

The news says he left with intercepted communications, which is a crime to take home with you (for anyone)

The President can. He can also declassify anything he wants. You should read the rules.

Broad broad generalization. You should also read these rules.

This is what is worthless about having a discussion with brain dead goose stepping rat morons.

"Broad generalizations". Did you think your weak assed attempt to ignore facts was going to make for a good argument?

Be an adult. Be honest and if you are going to vote for your corrupt politicians be a man and own it instead of lying your ass off.

What facts was I ignoring? I assure you he can’t say “I declassify this” and then it’s declassified.

I assure you, you have no idea what you are talking about. POTUS and VPOTUS are the only ones in all of government with unilateral discretion to declassify.

Is 'centrist' code for not well read?

While president? Sure, the process is fairly straightforward.

After he’s president? Much much different story, which is the essence of this argument.

As a former President he still maintains a TS clearance and also has a SCIF at Mar A Lago. If he had any TS information stored there, and it was properly stored in the SCIF, then there’s no issue.

If there’s no issue with the possession and storage then why the warrant? Try not to hurt yourself.

But possession is the issue while any security clearance is not. And we don't know whether storage was an issue yet.

Sure Adolf

statutes are fascist

We need to search to find probable cause to search

Daddy knows there was probable cause. He's just trying to figure out who flipped on him and supplied it.

HHusky said:

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

USMChawk said:

MelloDawg said:

pawz said:

MelloDawg said:

Bendintheriver said:

MelloDawg said:

Sledog said:

AOG said:

The news says he left with intercepted communications, which is a crime to take home with you (for anyone)

The President can. He can also declassify anything he wants. You should read the rules.

Broad broad generalization. You should also read these rules.

This is what is worthless about having a discussion with brain dead goose stepping rat morons.

"Broad generalizations". Did you think your weak assed attempt to ignore facts was going to make for a good argument?

Be an adult. Be honest and if you are going to vote for your corrupt politicians be a man and own it instead of lying your ass off.

What facts was I ignoring? I assure you he can’t say “I declassify this” and then it’s declassified.

I assure you, you have no idea what you are talking about. POTUS and VPOTUS are the only ones in all of government with unilateral discretion to declassify.

Is 'centrist' code for not well read?

While president? Sure, the process is fairly straightforward.

After he’s president? Much much different story, which is the essence of this argument.

As a former President he still maintains a TS clearance and also has a SCIF at Mar A Lago. If he had any TS information stored there, and it was properly stored in the SCIF, then there’s no issue.

If there’s no issue with the possession and storage then why the warrant? Try not to hurt yourself.

But possession is the issue while any security clearance is not. And we don't know whether storage was an issue yet.

Sure Adolf

statutes are fascist

We need to search to find probable cause to search

Daddy knows there was probable cause. He's just trying to figure out who flipped on him and supplied it.

Sure. Probably the Russians.