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  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 16,413 Standard Supporter

    TBiggs thinks Tony Dungy is a sellout for promoting fatherhood.

    Dungy obviously ain't black.
  • CuntWaffleCuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,499

    TBiggs thinks Tony Dungy is a sellout for promoting fatherhood.

    Fucking Uncle Tom
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,807
    SFGbob said:

    Actual, organized white supremacists? Low, because there aren't enough of them. I'm not sure what "soft" racism is, but the racism that exists is, almost by definition, a non-threat because we've always had it.

    Having said that, it's not a crazy leap of faith to think that maybe in time it could be. Some combination of factors could cause it to expand and, like anything, get to a critical mass such that it becomes a problem: continued abuse of the term and weaponizing of it by left-wing PC cops who use it to ruin lives with cancel culture, lack of employment opportunities and economic failure of lower-class white people who need something on which to aim their frustrations (which will of course coincide with diminishing opportunities for black and hispanic people too, and they'll have their scapegoats) and continued widening of the divide in our culture that pits people against one another. I do hold the left accountable for much of that, but don't view it entirely in the stark contrasting terms we typically see here in the Tug. There are a lot of shitty people out there and it's not like we're talking about Jefferson owning slaves, which is absurd. 1964 and Jim Crow wasn't that long ago, so there was definitely some "there" there.

    A society like ours is complicated, and solutions are complicated and require some appreciation of subtlety, which is a rare thing these days.
    So basically, the Christian right might do something is your response. Pathetic.



    Yeah I didn’t say that but sure. Thanks for the reminder.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,978 Swaye's Wigwam

    Actual, organized white supremacists? Low, because there aren't enough of them. I'm not sure what "soft" racism is, but the racism that exists is, almost by definition, a non-threat because we've always had it.

    Having said that, it's not a crazy leap of faith to think that maybe in time it could be. Some combination of factors could cause it to expand and, like anything, get to a critical mass such that it becomes a problem: continued abuse of the term and weaponizing of it by left-wing PC cops who use it to ruin lives with cancel culture, lack of employment opportunities and economic failure of lower-class white people who need something on which to aim their frustrations (which will of course coincide with diminishing opportunities for black and hispanic people too, and they'll have their scapegoats) and continued widening of the divide in our culture that pits people against one another. I do hold the left accountable for much of that, but don't view it entirely in the stark contrasting terms we typically see here in the Tug. There are a lot of shitty people out there and it's not like we're talking about Jefferson owning slaves, which is absurd. 1964 and Jim Crow wasn't that long ago, so there was definitely some "there" there.

    A society like ours is complicated, and solutions are complicated and require some appreciation of subtlety, which is a rare thing these days.
    I'm pretty sure that the only institutionally powerful racist threat in America is the democratic party.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,181

    So basically, the Christian right might do something is your response. Pathetic.

    Yeah I didn’t say that but sure. Thanks for the reminder.

    You might have well as said it.

    Having said that, it's not a crazy leap of faith to think that maybe in time it could be. Some combination of factors could cause it to expand and, like anything, get to a critical mass such that it becomes a problem:

    The Biden Admin isn't out there telling us that White supremacy "could" be a problem they're telling us it's the biggest problem we face and yes, your response is pathetic.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,978 Swaye's Wigwam
    Let's be clear, it's the dems trying to label anyone they disagree with as white supremacists and domestic terrorists.

    Pick your favorite group they've labeled as a white supremacist group that has nothing to do with actual racist white nationalists over the last 4 years.
  • trubluetrublue Member Posts: 3,042
    HHusky said:

    But the subject was the greatest terrorist threat to the US. Despite blob's attempts at distraction, it's simply a fact that these alt/right, room temperature IQ types have dominated the stat sheet for ideologically motivated terror for years now.

    Have you ever lived or worked for any length of time outside the Seattle metropolitan area in your entire life?
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 22,462

    Let's be clear, it's the dems trying to label anyone they disagree with as white supremacists and domestic terrorists.

    Pick your favorite group they've labeled as a white supremacist group that has nothing to do with actual racist white nationalists over the last 4 years.

    https://www.adl.org/media/17498/download

    Murder & Extremism
    in The United States 2021

    In 2021, domestic extremists killed at least 29 people in the United States, in 19
    separate incidents. This represents a modest increase from the 23 extremist-related
    murders documented in 2020 but is far lower than the number of murders committed
    in any of the five years prior (which ranged from 45 to 78).

    The 2021 murder totals were low primarily because no high-casualty extremist-related
    shooting spree occurred this past year. Such sprees are the main contributor to high
    murder totals.

    Most of the murders (26 of 29) were committed by right-wing extremists, which is
    usually the case. However, two killings were committed by Black nationalists and one
    by an Islamist extremist—the latter being the first such killing since 2018.

    Most of the 2021 murders were committed by people associated with longstanding
    extremist movements, such as white supremacy and the sovereign citizen movement.
    However, 2021 continued the trend of recent years of seeing some murders from newer
    types of extremism, including QAnon adherents, people associated with the toxic
    masculinity subculture of the “manosphere” and anti-vaccination extremists.

    White supremacists killed more people in 2021 than any other type of extremist, though
    not an outright majority, as is often the case. An in-depth look at white supremacist
    killings over the past 10 years demonstrates the dangers posed by alt right white
    supremacists and white supremacist prison gangs
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 22,462
    trublue said:

    Have you ever lived or worked for any length of time outside the Seattle metropolitan area in your entire life?
    Nope.

    But I've spent a lot of time in St Louis.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited April 2022
    HHusky said:

    https://www.adl.org/media/17498/download

    Murder & Extremism
    in The United States 2021

    In 2021, domestic extremists killed at least 29 people in the United States, in 19
    separate incidents. This represents a modest increase from the 23 extremist-related
    murders documented in 2020 but is far lower than the number of murders committed
    in any of the five years prior (which ranged from 45 to 78).

    The 2021 murder totals were low primarily because no high-casualty extremist-related
    shooting spree occurred this past year. Such sprees are the main contributor to high
    murder totals.

    Most of the murders (26 of 29) were committed by right-wing extremists, which is
    usually the case. However, two killings were committed by Black nationalists and one
    by an Islamist extremist—the latter being the first such killing since 2018.

    Most of the 2021 murders were committed by people associated with longstanding
    extremist movements, such as white supremacy and the sovereign citizen movement.
    However, 2021 continued the trend of recent years of seeing some murders from newer
    types of extremism, including QAnon adherents, people associated with the toxic
    masculinity subculture of the “manosphere” and anti-vaccination extremists.

    White supremacists killed more people in 2021 than any other type of extremist, though
    not an outright majority, as is often the case. An in-depth look at white supremacist
    killings over the past 10 years demonstrates the dangers posed by alt right white
    supremacists and white supremacist prison gangs
    These people aren’t extremists, associated with toxic masculinity, part of the Manosphere or anti vaxxed s though…so no big deal.

    Gangster Disciples
    Vice Lords
    Black P. Stones
    Latin Kings
    Black Disciples
    Maniac Latin Disciples
    Spanish Cobras
    Almighty Saints
    Spanish Gangster Disciples
    Simon City Royals
    Imperial Gangsters
    Insane Deuces
    Orquestra Albany
    Latin Eagles
    Latin Jivers
    Northside Popes
    Satan Disciples
    La Raza
    Milwaukee Kings
    Chi West
    Latin Stylers
    Brazers
    Latin Counts
    Bishops
    Harrison Gents
    Spanish Lords
    Vikings
    Sircon City Gangsters
    Mickey Cobras
    614
    Ambrose
    Two-Six
    Twelfth Street Players
    Black Souls
    Four Corner Hustlers
    Latin Lovers
    C-Notes
    Jousters
    Latin Brothers
    Insane Unknowns
    Insane Dragons
    Pachuchos
    New Breeds
    Flip City Kings
    Outlaw Loko Bloods
    AKrho Pinoy
    Vietnamese Clan
    Cambodian Mafia
    Bahala Na Gang
    Barrio Pobre



    You should feel embarrassed posting that, lady. But you likely aren’t. Unless you were trying to prove the original point , which is what your article did.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 22,462
    edited April 2022

    These people aren’t extremists though…so no big deal.

    Gangster Disciples
    Vice Lords
    Black P. Stones
    Latin Kings
    Black Disciples
    Maniac Latin Disciples
    Spanish Cobras
    Almighty Saints
    Spanish Gangster Disciples
    Simon City Royals
    Imperial Gangsters
    Insane Deuces
    Orquestra Albany
    Latin Eagles
    Latin Jivers
    Northside Popes
    Satan Disciples
    La Raza
    Milwaukee Kings
    Chi West
    Latin Stylers
    Brazers
    Latin Counts
    Bishops
    Harrison Gents
    Spanish Lords
    Vikings
    Sircon City Gangsters
    Mickey Cobras
    614
    Ambrose
    Two-Six
    Twelfth Street Players
    Black Souls
    Four Corner Hustlers
    Latin Lovers
    C-Notes
    Jousters
    Latin Brothers
    Insane Unknowns
    Insane Dragons
    Pachuchos
    New Breeds
    Flip City Kings
    Outlaw Loko Bloods
    AKrho Pinoy
    Vietnamese Clan
    Cambodian Mafia
    Bahala Na Gang
    Barrio Pobre
    The subject was terrorism, though blob has tried to obscure that fact.

    Absolutely no one said terrorists kill more Americans than criminal gangs do.


    “the greatest terrorism-related threat that we face in the homeland is the threat of domestic violent extremism.”

    And yes, white supremacist extremists are the largest share of that terrorism year after year.

  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    HHusky said:

    The subject was terrorism.

    Absolutely no one said terrorists kill more Americans than criminal gangs do.
    Check the facts, madame. The argument was that “white supremacist” aren’t the greatest threat to America as the left espouses. No one said terrorist threat, lady.

    Here is the op for your reading pleasure.

    “I'd love to compare the body counts of a year's worth of killings carried out by White supremacists, to your typical 3-day weekend of murders and shootings carried out by gang-bangers in Chicago, Baltimore and East St. Louis.”



  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 22,462
    edited April 2022

    Check the facts, madame. The argument was that “white supremacist” aren’t the greatest threat to America as the left espouses. No one said terrorist threat, lady.

    Here is the op for your reading pleasure.

    “I'd love to compare the body counts of a year's worth of killings carried out by White supremacists, to your typical 3-day weekend of murders and shootings carried out by gang-bangers in Chicago, Baltimore and East St. Louis.”



    Even the writer of blob's linked piece understood the subject was terrorism, not crime generally. Did you read it?



    "This is not the first time that Mayorkas has blamed the greatest threat of domestic terrorism on White supremacists."
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    HHusky said:

    The subject was terrorism, though blob has tried to obscure that fact.

    Absolutely no one said terrorists kill more Americans than criminal gangs do.


    “the greatest terrorism-related threat that we face in the homeland is the threat of domestic violent extremism.”

    And yes, white supremacist extremists are the largest share of that terrorism year after year.

    Cool red herring ma’am.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,181

    Check the facts, madame. The argument was that “white supremacist” aren’t the greatest threat to America as the left espouses. No one said terrorist threat, lady.

    Here is the op for your reading pleasure.

    “I'd love to compare the body counts of a year's worth of killings carried out by White supremacists, to your typical 3-day weekend of murders and shootings carried out by gang-bangers in Chicago, Baltimore and East St. Louis.”



    In 2021, domestic extremists killed at least 29 people in the United States, That's called a slow weekend in Chicago.

  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,181
    HHusky said:

    Even the writer of blob's linked piece understood the subject was terrorism, not crime generally. Did you read it?



    "This is not the first time that Mayorkas has blamed the greatest threat of domestic terrorism on White supremacists."
    Liar. White supremacy isn't even close to greatest threat we face.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 22,462

    Cool red herring ma’am.
    So you didn't read it. You took blob's word for what the guy said.

    That's a triumph of hope over experience. It's on you. You should have known better.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,181
    He used the example of bomb threats to Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs). In recent months there has been an alleged uptick in those threats. He spoke about working with Black universities and churches to help them improve security.

    Do we even know who is behind these bomb threats?
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,181
    Much of the gang violence in Chicago and LA is between black and Hispanic gangs. Anyone want take a bet that little if any of that violence is attributed "domestic extremism?"

  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    HHusky said:

    So you didn't read it. You took blob's word for what the guy said.

    That's a triumph of hope over experience. It's on you. You should have known better.
    It took you 4 pages to try to change the topic, madame. You tried to argue against this all day:

    “I'd love to compare the body counts of a year's worth of killings carried out by White supremacists, to your typical 3-day weekend of murders and shootings carried out by gang-bangers in Chicago, Baltimore and East St. Louis.”

    And failed as usual. But white supremacy is the greatest TERRORIST threat! Which no one mentioned until you brought it up 20 minutes ago. Gangs are much more of a threat than all terrorist groups combined. And it’s not even close. Go back to arguing about East St Louis. You failed at that too, but you didn’t sound quite as dumb as you do now.

    White “terrorism” in all of the country = 29…Chicago gang murders in 2021 = 700+

    Go take another midol lady. It might make you feel better after getting embarrassed here again.
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