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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,325 Founders Club
    edited March 2022
    YellowSnow said:

    RaceBannon said:

    If I had to bet I'd bet he gets in despite taking the contrarian view

    I'm not 100 percent sold on Two Ring Manning the Younger either but his two rings came with memorable plays.

    Once again Russ' getting the second ring brings the last minute drive and Kearse catch into legend status and its no question

    Russ is better than Dilfer and healthier than McMahon - the three greatest defenses to win the Super Bowl. The second one would have been more Russ than the D that folded to Brady

    Russ also has a lot of years left if healthy

    I'm taking baby steps towards more NFL hawt talk since I'm quitting on the college game.
    Yellow Snow's NFL Igloo
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    dnc said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    Does Bobby Wagner get his own thread?

    The fact that the Seahawks didn't space this out and give Wagner his proper farewell in the media is horseshit. Not proper at all.
    The only way I can rationalize this is Bobby responded to the RW trade by saying he doesn't want to be part of a rebuild and asked for his release and they honored it. Otherwise it's kind of unfathomable timing.
    Welp


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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    Fire everybody
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,784 Founders Club
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,784 Founders Club
    YellowSnow said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    YellowSnow said:

    RaceBannon said:

    If I had to bet I'd bet he gets in despite taking the contrarian view

    I'm not 100 percent sold on Two Ring Manning the Younger either but his two rings came with memorable plays.

    Once again Russ' getting the second ring brings the last minute drive and Kearse catch into legend status and its no question

    Russ is better than Dilfer and healthier than McMahon - the three greatest defenses to win the Super Bowl. The second one would have been more Russ than the D that folded to Brady

    Russ also has a lot of years left if healthy

    I'm taking baby steps towards more NFL hawt talk since I'm quitting on the college game.
    Yellow Snow's NFL Igloo
    Warren Moon was an Eskimo. People forget that.
    More rings than Joe Montana and in two Hall of Fames

    Warren Moon
    Class of 2001
    Warren Moon attended the University of Washington and was named Most Valuable Player in the 1978 Rose Bowl victory, prior to joining the Edmonton Eskimos.

    Warren Moon would spend his entire Canadian career with the Eskimos. In his rookie season, as the backup quarterback, he would replace Bruce Lemmerman, completing 89 0f 173 passes for 1,112 yards and 5 touchdowns and was Edmonton’s nominee for the Schenley Most Outstanding Rookie award. In 1980, he became Edmonton’s starting quarterback and led the Eskimos to their third straight Grey Cup. He would lead Edmonton to two more Grey Cups in 1981 and 1982 as part of their five year Grey Cup dynasty, which lasted from 1978 to 1982.

    Warren Moon ended his CFL career in 1983 as the league’s leading passer with 380 completions of 664 attempts for 5,648 yards and 31 touchdowns. For his efforts, he was named to the CFL All-Star team, Western All-Star team and won the Schenley Award for the Most Outstanding Player.

    Moon has been named to the Edmonton Eskimos Wall of Fame and is a member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
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  • Bad_MotherDucker
    Bad_MotherDucker Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 1,368 Swaye's Wigwam
    edited March 2022
    Over/under before DK goes full Antonio Brown with Drew Lock? I'll go with 6 games
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    RaceBannon said:

    YellowSnow said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    YellowSnow said:

    RaceBannon said:

    If I had to bet I'd bet he gets in despite taking the contrarian view

    I'm not 100 percent sold on Two Ring Manning the Younger either but his two rings came with memorable plays.

    Once again Russ' getting the second ring brings the last minute drive and Kearse catch into legend status and its no question

    Russ is better than Dilfer and healthier than McMahon - the three greatest defenses to win the Super Bowl. The second one would have been more Russ than the D that folded to Brady

    Russ also has a lot of years left if healthy

    I'm taking baby steps towards more NFL hawt talk since I'm quitting on the college game.
    Yellow Snow's NFL Igloo
    Warren Moon was an Eskimo. People forget that.
    More rings than Joe Montana and in two Hall of Fames

    Warren Moon
    Class of 2001
    Warren Moon attended the University of Washington and was named Most Valuable Player in the 1978 Rose Bowl victory, prior to joining the Edmonton Eskimos.

    Warren Moon would spend his entire Canadian career with the Eskimos. In his rookie season, as the backup quarterback, he would replace Bruce Lemmerman, completing 89 0f 173 passes for 1,112 yards and 5 touchdowns and was Edmonton’s nominee for the Schenley Most Outstanding Rookie award. In 1980, he became Edmonton’s starting quarterback and led the Eskimos to their third straight Grey Cup. He would lead Edmonton to two more Grey Cups in 1981 and 1982 as part of their five year Grey Cup dynasty, which lasted from 1978 to 1982.

    Warren Moon ended his CFL career in 1983 as the league’s leading passer with 380 completions of 664 attempts for 5,648 yards and 31 touchdowns. For his efforts, he was named to the CFL All-Star team, Western All-Star team and won the Schenley Award for the Most Outstanding Player.

    Moon has been named to the Edmonton Eskimos Wall of Fame and is a member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
    How did it take him winning 5 straight titles (in his only 5 seasons) up there before someone in the NFL said "hey let's take a shot at this Moon guy?"

    I know, I know.












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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,325 Founders Club
    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    Does Bobby Wagner get his own thread?

    The fact that the Seahawks didn't space this out and give Wagner his proper farewell in the media is horseshit. Not proper at all.
    The only way I can rationalize this is Bobby responded to the RW trade by saying he doesn't want to be part of a rebuild and asked for his release and they honored it. Otherwise it's kind of unfathomable timing.
    Welp


    you've got to be kidding me
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  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,696 Founders Club
    Bobby shows up to UW spring games, so he's okay.

    Fuck Russ. Fuck the Seahawks and especially fuck the 12's who finally get to eat shit for once this decade.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,128
    Bad_MotherDucker said:

    Over/under before DK goes full Antonio Brown with Drew Lock? I'll go with 6 games

    I wouldn’t mind trading him now. You could get another first rounder and something else for him.
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  • KrunkJuice
    KrunkJuice Member Posts: 2,070
    dnc said:

    KrunkJuice said:

    dnc said:

    KrunkJuice said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    Does Bobby Wagner get his own thread?

    He should. He actually is a Hall of Famer unlike Wilson who isn't.
    They're both HOFers rather easily
    Wagner has been the top LB since he entered the league. Wilson has barely been even a top 10 guy at his position. If you let him in you have let in Stafford, Ryan, Eli, Rivers and Palmer . None of those guys are HOF's. Wilson has never had an MVP vote and has been All Pro 1 time in 10 years. None of those things are going to change in Denver because he isn't that type of player like he thinks he is. He is an overrated, arrogant, selfish prick.
    FOH

    You can’t possibly be dumb enough to believe that.
    In his 10 years if you average out every year he is a top 10ish guy. Seahawks fans need to stop with this transcendent shit. At best he is a pretty good QB. He is way to inconsistent to be very good. He isn't anything more than that.
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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,325 Founders Club
    DerekJohnson said:

    Regarding Watson... If the Seahawk felt okay bringing Frank Clark here, they'll be okay bringing Watson here.


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  • TheHB
    TheHB Member Posts: 6,457
    Watson doesn't want to play in the PNW.
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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,325 Founders Club
    TheHB said:

    Watson doesn't want to play in the PNW.

    Is that what he told you?
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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,325 Founders Club
    Just read that he rejected Seahawks invitation to visit.

    Welcome to the Jacob Eason Era
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  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,182 Standard Supporter
    TheHB said:

    Watson doesn't want to play in the PNW.

    I know I'm exaggerating here, but I can't think of any big name free agent who has willingly come to the PNW. What would be the draw outside of no state income tax?

    The other thread about being burned by Seattle stars who left is a great example. Look at how many wanted to GTFO of Seattle. It's the shit weather 80% of the year that depresses people who aren't from here.

    Watson sure as shit is not leaving behind his southern roots and weather to play in Seattle.
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  • 1to392831weretaken
    1to392831weretaken Member Posts: 7,696
    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    TheHB said:

    Watson doesn't want to play in the PNW.

    I know I'm exaggerating here, but I can't think of any big name free agent who has willingly come to the PNW. What would be the draw outside of no state income tax?

    The other thread about being burned by Seattle stars who left is a great example. Look at how many wanted to GTFO of Seattle. It's the shit weather 80% of the year that depresses people who aren't from here.

    Watson sure as shit is not leaving behind his southern roots and weather to play in Seattle.
    I think Watson just wants to sexually assault a hotter class of women. He wants no part of the PNW.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,784 Founders Club
    Watson can't play in Houston because but 31 other teams are fine

    Never understood that. If he's good to play then keep him. Houston sucks without him
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  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,182 Standard Supporter
    RaceBannon said:

    Watson can't play in Houston because but 31 other teams are fine

    Never understood that. If he's good to play then keep him. Houston sucks without him

    I wondered the same. Was listening to talking heads this AM and apparently he demanded a trade out of there after his last season (before the sexual assault stuff came to light) which ended up being 4 - 12. Both sides hate each other, apparently.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    KrunkJuice said:

    dnc said:

    KrunkJuice said:

    dnc said:

    KrunkJuice said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    Does Bobby Wagner get his own thread?

    He should. He actually is a Hall of Famer unlike Wilson who isn't.
    They're both HOFers rather easily
    Wagner has been the top LB since he entered the league. Wilson has barely been even a top 10 guy at his position. If you let him in you have let in Stafford, Ryan, Eli, Rivers and Palmer . None of those guys are HOF's. Wilson has never had an MVP vote and has been All Pro 1 time in 10 years. None of those things are going to change in Denver because he isn't that type of player like he thinks he is. He is an overrated, arrogant, selfish prick.
    FOH

    You can’t possibly be dumb enough to believe that.
    In his 10 years if you average out every year he is a top 10ish guy. Seahawks fans need to stop with this transcendent shit. At best he is a pretty good QB. He is way to inconsistent to be very good. He isn't anything more than that.
    This is dumb af.

    Stop it.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    I'd love for you to back up your assertion that he's top 10ish for his career with any sort of objective metric.

    I already gave you the players top 100 perspective.

    Pro Bowl:
    2012: 1 of 11 (last NFL alternate so you could argue as low as 11th)
    2013: 1 of 6 originally selected
    2014: 1 of 6 originally selected
    2015: 1 of 6 originally selected, starter
    2016: Not selected
    2017: 1 of 6 originally selected
    2018: 1 of 12 (first NFC alternate, so you could argue as low as 10th)
    2019: 1 of 6 originally selected, selected as starter
    2020: 1 of 6 originally selected
    2021: 1 of 10 (second NFC alternate, you could argue as low as 10th)

    Brady has been to 9 Pro Bowls in that time. Rodgers has been to 8. Brees went to 7 in his 9 years of this span.

    Big Ben went to 6...total in his career. Matt Ryan's been to 4 total. Mahomes has been to 4 straight. Eli went to 4 total. Lamar's been to 2 in 4 seasons. Cam made 3. Matt Stafford and Josh Allen have been to 1.

    Russ has firmly been inside the top 10 the vast majority of his career, and is probably around an average of the 5th best QB at any given point in his career. I get you don't like the guy and that's fine. He's not especially likable.

    I doubt you have any real argument for his as "top 10ish" for his career. You certainly don't have any argument for "pretty good at best". At his best he's absolutely the elite of the elite. I agree he's not been that consistently. But he's been a lot better than pretty good, and certainly better than pretty good at best.
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  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,182 Standard Supporter
    dnc said:

    I'd love for you to back up your assertion that he's top 10ish for his career with any sort of objective metric.

    I already gave you the players top 100 perspective.

    Pro Bowl:
    2012: 1 of 11 (last NFL alternate so you could argue as low as 11th)
    2013: 1 of 6 originally selected
    2014: 1 of 6 originally selected
    2015: 1 of 6 originally selected, starter
    2016: Not selected
    2017: 1 of 6 originally selected
    2018: 1 of 12 (first NFC alternate, so you could argue as low as 10th)
    2019: 1 of 6 originally selected, selected as starter
    2020: 1 of 6 originally selected
    2021: 1 of 10 (second NFC alternate, you could argue as low as 10th)

    Brady has been to 9 Pro Bowls in that time. Rodgers has been to 8. Brees went to 7 in his 9 years of this span.

    Big Ben went to 6...total in his career. Matt Ryan's been to 4 total. Mahomes has been to 4 straight. Eli went to 4 total. Lamar's been to 2 in 4 seasons. Cam made 3. Matt Stafford and Josh Allen have been to 1.

    Russ has firmly been inside the top 10 the vast majority of his career, and is probably around an average of the 5th best QB at any given point in his career. I get you don't like the guy and that's fine. He's not especially likable.

    I doubt you have any real argument for his as "top 10ish" for his career. You certainly don't have any argument for "pretty good at best". At his best he's absolutely the elite of the elite. I agree he's not been that consistently. But he's been a lot better than pretty good, and certainly better than pretty good at best.

    Good enough to win a SB with an elite defense. Good enough to also lose a SB with an elite defense. Their playoff record since then was laughable with wins against very suspect teams, as was pointed out. Top-10 during his era, yes, but I would have him closer to 10 than 1. I don't think he's HOF material at all, but I seem to have higher standards than many people because I also think Eli should not get in and that more than half the guys in Halls of Fame are not really deserving.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    dnc said:

    I'd love for you to back up your assertion that he's top 10ish for his career with any sort of objective metric.

    I already gave you the players top 100 perspective.

    Pro Bowl:
    2012: 1 of 11 (last NFL alternate so you could argue as low as 11th)
    2013: 1 of 6 originally selected
    2014: 1 of 6 originally selected
    2015: 1 of 6 originally selected, starter
    2016: Not selected
    2017: 1 of 6 originally selected
    2018: 1 of 12 (first NFC alternate, so you could argue as low as 10th)
    2019: 1 of 6 originally selected, selected as starter
    2020: 1 of 6 originally selected
    2021: 1 of 10 (second NFC alternate, you could argue as low as 10th)

    Brady has been to 9 Pro Bowls in that time. Rodgers has been to 8. Brees went to 7 in his 9 years of this span.

    Big Ben went to 6...total in his career. Matt Ryan's been to 4 total. Mahomes has been to 4 straight. Eli went to 4 total. Lamar's been to 2 in 4 seasons. Cam made 3. Matt Stafford and Josh Allen have been to 1.

    Russ has firmly been inside the top 10 the vast majority of his career, and is probably around an average of the 5th best QB at any given point in his career. I get you don't like the guy and that's fine. He's not especially likable.

    I doubt you have any real argument for his as "top 10ish" for his career. You certainly don't have any argument for "pretty good at best". At his best he's absolutely the elite of the elite. I agree he's not been that consistently. But he's been a lot better than pretty good, and certainly better than pretty good at best.

    Good enough to win a SB with an elite defense. Good enough to also lose a SB with an elite defense. Their playoff record since then was laughable with wins against very suspect teams, as was pointed out. Top-10 during his era, yes, but I would have him closer to 10 than 1. I don't think he's HOF material at all, but I seem to have higher standards than many people because I also think Eli should not get in and that more than half the guys in Halls of Fame are not really deserving.
    Closer to 10 maybe but not by much. He’s probably 5-7. Early in his career he was behind Peyton, Brady, Brees and Rodgers and at the top of the next tier. Now he’s behind Mahomes, Allen, Brady, Rodgers and toward the top of the next tier.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    I agree the HOF bar is too low and Eli doesn’t deserve to be in.

    If Eli is a HOFer then Bill Russell better be your NBA GOAT because all you care about is rings.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,784 Founders Club
    dnc said:

    I agree the HOF bar is too low and Eli doesn’t deserve to be in.

    If Eli is a HOFer then Bill Russell better be your NBA GOAT because all you care about is rings.

    Check

    Russell
    Jabar
    Magic
    Michael
    LeBron
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    RaceBannon said:

    dnc said:

    I agree the HOF bar is too low and Eli doesn’t deserve to be in.

    If Eli is a HOFer then Bill Russell better be your NBA GOAT because all you care about is rings.

    Check

    Russell
    Jabar
    Magic
    Michael
    LeBron
    Why do you hate Big Shot Bob?
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,128
    edited March 2022
    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    dnc said:

    I'd love for you to back up your assertion that he's top 10ish for his career with any sort of objective metric.

    I already gave you the players top 100 perspective.

    Pro Bowl:
    2012: 1 of 11 (last NFL alternate so you could argue as low as 11th)
    2013: 1 of 6 originally selected
    2014: 1 of 6 originally selected
    2015: 1 of 6 originally selected, starter
    2016: Not selected
    2017: 1 of 6 originally selected
    2018: 1 of 12 (first NFC alternate, so you could argue as low as 10th)
    2019: 1 of 6 originally selected, selected as starter
    2020: 1 of 6 originally selected
    2021: 1 of 10 (second NFC alternate, you could argue as low as 10th)

    Brady has been to 9 Pro Bowls in that time. Rodgers has been to 8. Brees went to 7 in his 9 years of this span.

    Big Ben went to 6...total in his career. Matt Ryan's been to 4 total. Mahomes has been to 4 straight. Eli went to 4 total. Lamar's been to 2 in 4 seasons. Cam made 3. Matt Stafford and Josh Allen have been to 1.

    Russ has firmly been inside the top 10 the vast majority of his career, and is probably around an average of the 5th best QB at any given point in his career. I get you don't like the guy and that's fine. He's not especially likable.

    I doubt you have any real argument for his as "top 10ish" for his career. You certainly don't have any argument for "pretty good at best". At his best he's absolutely the elite of the elite. I agree he's not been that consistently. But he's been a lot better than pretty good, and certainly better than pretty good at best.

    Good enough to win a SB with an elite defense. Good enough to also lose a SB with an elite defense. Their playoff record since then was laughable with wins against very suspect teams, as was pointed out. Top-10 during his era, yes, but I would have him closer to 10 than 1. I don't think he's HOF material at all, but I seem to have higher standards than many people because I also think Eli should not get in and that more than half the guys in Halls of Fame are not really deserving.
    The elite defense in the second year was banged up and was getting shredded the whole fourth quarter.

    He’s been a great QB. The personal bias is stupid. He showed and produced at a high level every year except last year, and he was hampered by injury last season. He’s gotten better since those two Super Bowls, not worse. Unfortunately he got his money, his supporting cast got old, and the team was not as good.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,784 Founders Club
    dnc said:

    RaceBannon said:

    dnc said:

    I agree the HOF bar is too low and Eli doesn’t deserve to be in.

    If Eli is a HOFer then Bill Russell better be your NBA GOAT because all you care about is rings.

    Check

    Russell
    Jabar
    Magic
    Michael
    LeBron
    Why do you hate Big Shot Bob?
    Big fan

    All Bench Team
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