Russ to Denver
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The only way I can rationalize this is Bobby responded to the RW trade by saying he doesn't want to be part of a rebuild and asked for his release and they honored it. Otherwise it's kind of unfathomable timing.DerekJohnson said:
The fact that the Seahawks didn't space this out and give Wagner his proper farewell in the media is horseshit. Not proper at all.BleachedAnusDawg said:Does Bobby Wagner get his own thread?
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They might want to trade Jamal Adams too, if the Hawks don't win enough over the next couple of years then he'll be cunty.
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Seahawks weren't winning with Russell Wilson on his current contract and certainly not the one he is going to get in a season or two. There is a difference between animosity and being realistic. He is the greatest Seahawks QB of all time, a hall of famer, and wish him the best. It was time to move on. Did you want another season of Russ constantly being in 3rd and long, running around aimlessly, only to "almost" come back in the 4th quarter? Then complaining about how he doesn't have any protection or weapons? Thats exactly what would have happened this season, same as last. Now I agree that Schneider and Pete should have been kicked to the curb too, as I think Schneider has been the biggest problem of the 3.
We will see what happens. If the rumors are true and they are going after Watson it could get interesting. Or it could not be interesting at all. Either way it will be interesting. -
They aren’t going to bring Watson to Seattle. The city would riot.CuntWaffle said:Seahawks weren't winning with Russell Wilson on his current contract and certainly not the one he is going to get in a season or two. There is a difference between animosity and being realistic. He is the greatest Seahawks QB of all time, a hall of famer, and wish him the best. It was time to move on. Did you want another season of Russ constantly being in 3rd and long, running around aimlessly, only to "almost" come back in the 4th quarter? Then complaining about how he doesn't have any protection or weapons? Thats exactly what would have happened this season, same as last. Now I agree that Schneider and Pete should have been kicked to the curb too, as I think Schneider has been the biggest problem of the 3.
We will see what happens. If the rumors are true and they are going after Watson it could get interesting. Or it could not be interesting at all. Either way it will be interesting. -
The part of me would that hates the Seahawks and the 12s would love this. The part of me that still loves UW football is opposed.dnc said:
They aren’t going to bring Watson to Seattle. The city would riot.CuntWaffle said:Seahawks weren't winning with Russell Wilson on his current contract and certainly not the one he is going to get in a season or two. There is a difference between animosity and being realistic. He is the greatest Seahawks QB of all time, a hall of famer, and wish him the best. It was time to move on. Did you want another season of Russ constantly being in 3rd and long, running around aimlessly, only to "almost" come back in the 4th quarter? Then complaining about how he doesn't have any protection or weapons? Thats exactly what would have happened this season, same as last. Now I agree that Schneider and Pete should have been kicked to the curb too, as I think Schneider has been the biggest problem of the 3.
We will see what happens. If the rumors are true and they are going after Watson it could get interesting. Or it could not be interesting at all. Either way it will be interesting. -
So Cowherd said that Rusty got his panties in a bunch three years ago when the Hawks looked at Josh Allen pre draft
Being an annoying plastic fake person is fine when you win. Now it's just annoying plastic fake bullshit
IMO
When Jim Plunkett makes the HOF we can talk about Rusty. The consensus was that one SB win isn't enough for Stafford after this season
IMO
Wilson is the guy that when he gets popped for running a pedophile ring you aren't surprised.
Allegedly and IMO
Watson would be an upgrade. His secrets are out -
What if he had a "no sexual assault" clause in his contract?dnc said:
They aren’t going to bring Watson to Seattle. The city would riot.CuntWaffle said:Seahawks weren't winning with Russell Wilson on his current contract and certainly not the one he is going to get in a season or two. There is a difference between animosity and being realistic. He is the greatest Seahawks QB of all time, a hall of famer, and wish him the best. It was time to move on. Did you want another season of Russ constantly being in 3rd and long, running around aimlessly, only to "almost" come back in the 4th quarter? Then complaining about how he doesn't have any protection or weapons? Thats exactly what would have happened this season, same as last. Now I agree that Schneider and Pete should have been kicked to the curb too, as I think Schneider has been the biggest problem of the 3.
We will see what happens. If the rumors are true and they are going after Watson it could get interesting. Or it could not be interesting at all. Either way it will be interesting.
I am against sexual assault by the way. -
Corny Russ > Hollywood RussRaceBannon said:So Cowherd said that Rusty got his panties in a bunch three years ago when the Hawks looked at Josh Allen pre draft
Being an annoying plastic fake person is fine when you win. Now it's just annoying plastic fake bullshit
IMO
When Jim Plunkett makes the HOF we can talk about Rusty. The consensus was that one SB win isn't enough for Stafford after this season
IMO
Wilson is the guy that when he gets popped for running a pedophile ring you aren't surprised.
Allegedly and IMO
Watson would be an upgrade. His secrets are out -
Wagner has been the top LB since he entered the league. Wilson has barely been even a top 10 guy at his position. If you let him in you have let in Stafford, Ryan, Eli, Rivers and Palmer . None of those guys are HOF's. Wilson has never had an MVP vote and has been All Pro 1 time in 10 years. None of those things are going to change in Denver because he isn't that type of player like he thinks he is. He is an overrated, arrogant, selfish prick.dnc said:
They're both HOFers rather easilyKrunkJuice said:
He should. He actually is a Hall of Famer unlike Wilson who isn't.BleachedAnusDawg said:Does Bobby Wagner get his own thread?
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There's a few non super bowl winning QB in Canton.RaceBannon said:So Cowherd said that Rusty got his panties in a bunch three years ago when the Hawks looked at Josh Allen pre draft
Being an annoying plastic fake person is fine when you win. Now it's just annoying plastic fake bullshit
IMO
When Jim Plunkett makes the HOF we can talk about Rusty. The consensus was that one SB win isn't enough for Stafford after this season
IMO
Wilson is the guy that when he gets popped for running a pedophile ring you aren't surprised.
Allegedly and IMO
Watson would be an upgrade. His secrets are out
Foutsy, for instance, was a 6 time pro bowler. Wilson is a 9 time pro bowler which is as many at Marino and Franny each had.
My money is still on Rusty ending up in the HOF.
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My dog made the Pro Bowl one year when all the other dogs declined
You don't have to win a Super Bowl but as I pointed out winning 2 isn't a guarantee
Fran retired with all the records and Marino broke them all again
Russ isn't done but he's not in yet
It's not the hall of pretty good as the kids say -
Rusty also has a higher career passer rating than either Peyton Manning or Brees.RaceBannon said:My dog made the Pro Bowl one year when all the other dogs declined
You don't have to win a Super Bowl but as I pointed out winning 2 isn't a guarantee
Fran retired with all the records and Marino broke them all again
Russ isn't done but he's not in yet
It's not the hall of pretty good as the kids say
He seems to be doing pretty well in stats are for losers and has a ring.
I can't recall a similar body of work that didn't get in. -
Jim Plunkett
2 rings -
I sense he might be cunty even if they go 14-2. Oops, excuse me, 14-3HFNY said:They might want to trade Jamal Adams too, if the Hawks don't win enough over the next couple of years then he'll be cunty.
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Link?CuntWaffle said:
What if he had a "no sexual assault" clause in his contract?dnc said:
They aren’t going to bring Watson to Seattle. The city would riot.CuntWaffle said:Seahawks weren't winning with Russell Wilson on his current contract and certainly not the one he is going to get in a season or two. There is a difference between animosity and being realistic. He is the greatest Seahawks QB of all time, a hall of famer, and wish him the best. It was time to move on. Did you want another season of Russ constantly being in 3rd and long, running around aimlessly, only to "almost" come back in the 4th quarter? Then complaining about how he doesn't have any protection or weapons? Thats exactly what would have happened this season, same as last. Now I agree that Schneider and Pete should have been kicked to the curb too, as I think Schneider has been the biggest problem of the 3.
We will see what happens. If the rumors are true and they are going after Watson it could get interesting. Or it could not be interesting at all. Either way it will be interesting.
I am against sexual assault by the way. -
I would have bet $5,000 Jim Plunkett was in the HOFRaceBannon said:So Cowherd said that Rusty got his panties in a bunch three years ago when the Hawks looked at Josh Allen pre draft
Being an annoying plastic fake person is fine when you win. Now it's just annoying plastic fake bullshit
IMO
When Jim Plunkett makes the HOF we can talk about Rusty. The consensus was that one SB win isn't enough for Stafford after this season
IMO
Wilson is the guy that when he gets popped for running a pedophile ring you aren't surprised.
Allegedly and IMO
Watson would be an upgrade. His secrets are out -
I loved it on Monday Night Football when Dennis Miller turned to him and said, "What's with the beard, Grizzly Fouts?"YellowSnow said:
There's a few non super bowl winning QB in Canton.RaceBannon said:So Cowherd said that Rusty got his panties in a bunch three years ago when the Hawks looked at Josh Allen pre draft
Being an annoying plastic fake person is fine when you win. Now it's just annoying plastic fake bullshit
IMO
When Jim Plunkett makes the HOF we can talk about Rusty. The consensus was that one SB win isn't enough for Stafford after this season
IMO
Wilson is the guy that when he gets popped for running a pedophile ring you aren't surprised.
Allegedly and IMO
Watson would be an upgrade. His secrets are out
Foutsy, for instance, was a 6 time pro bowler. Wilson is a 9 time pro bowler which is as many at Marino and Franny each had.
My money is still on Rusty ending up in the HOF. -
Regarding Watson... If the Seahawk felt okay bringing Frank Clark here, they'll be okay bringing Watson here.
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FOHKrunkJuice said:
Wagner has been the top LB since he entered the league. Wilson has barely been even a top 10 guy at his position. If you let him in you have let in Stafford, Ryan, Eli, Rivers and Palmer . None of those guys are HOF's. Wilson has never had an MVP vote and has been All Pro 1 time in 10 years. None of those things are going to change in Denver because he isn't that type of player like he thinks he is. He is an overrated, arrogant, selfish prick.dnc said:
They're both HOFers rather easilyKrunkJuice said:
He should. He actually is a Hall of Famer unlike Wilson who isn't.BleachedAnusDawg said:Does Bobby Wagner get his own thread?
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All he needs is like two more decent seasons and it’s a sure thing.YellowSnow said:
There's a few non super bowl winning QB in Canton.RaceBannon said:So Cowherd said that Rusty got his panties in a bunch three years ago when the Hawks looked at Josh Allen pre draft
Being an annoying plastic fake person is fine when you win. Now it's just annoying plastic fake bullshit
IMO
When Jim Plunkett makes the HOF we can talk about Rusty. The consensus was that one SB win isn't enough for Stafford after this season
IMO
Wilson is the guy that when he gets popped for running a pedophile ring you aren't surprised.
Allegedly and IMO
Watson would be an upgrade. His secrets are out
Foutsy, for instance, was a 6 time pro bowler. Wilson is a 9 time pro bowler which is as many at Marino and Franny each had.
My money is still on Rusty ending up in the HOF. -
So I conferred yesterday with all of my college football hating, NFL loving douche canoe buddies and they all stated that Rusty is a lock for Canton.RaceBannon said:My dog made the Pro Bowl one year when all the other dogs declined
You don't have to win a Super Bowl but as I pointed out winning 2 isn't a guarantee
Fran retired with all the records and Marino broke them all again
Russ isn't done but he's not in yet
It's not the hall of pretty good as the kids say -
Too bad old fucks like me do the voting
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Never made a Probe OwlDerekJohnson said:
I would have bet $5,000 Jim Plunkett was in the HOFRaceBannon said:So Cowherd said that Rusty got his panties in a bunch three years ago when the Hawks looked at Josh Allen pre draft
Being an annoying plastic fake person is fine when you win. Now it's just annoying plastic fake bullshit
IMO
When Jim Plunkett makes the HOF we can talk about Rusty. The consensus was that one SB win isn't enough for Stafford after this season
IMO
Wilson is the guy that when he gets popped for running a pedophile ring you aren't surprised.
Allegedly and IMO
Watson would be an upgrade. His secrets are out -
The argument how good Russell is is pointless. It should be about whether or not the Seahawks could win a Super Bowl with him right now and they can't, not with their limited draft capital and salary cap. Every year they go into the off season with these grand plans to rebuild the O Line and defense and end up signing a few journeymen who are average at best and nothing significant changes. Same shit would have happened this year. So do you want 1-2 more years of mediocre football? Or tear it down and start the rebuild.
I am not fully aware of the Broncos roster but I assume they have a lot of young talent on small contracts and can afford Russells deal/future deal. I know they have a great stable of WRs but thats about it. Russ could do really well in Denver, doesn't mean what Seattle did was a bad deal. -
I agree, I think he gets in. I think Fouts and Marino were other-level guys and, at QB, you need that if you don't have a SB. Elway would have made the HOF w/o the Supers at the end of his career, where he was doing less and letting his teammates do more.YellowSnow said:
There's a few non super bowl winning QB in Canton.RaceBannon said:So Cowherd said that Rusty got his panties in a bunch three years ago when the Hawks looked at Josh Allen pre draft
Being an annoying plastic fake person is fine when you win. Now it's just annoying plastic fake bullshit
IMO
When Jim Plunkett makes the HOF we can talk about Rusty. The consensus was that one SB win isn't enough for Stafford after this season
IMO
Wilson is the guy that when he gets popped for running a pedophile ring you aren't surprised.
Allegedly and IMO
Watson would be an upgrade. His secrets are out
Foutsy, for instance, was a 6 time pro bowler. Wilson is a 9 time pro bowler which is as many at Marino and Franny each had.
My money is still on Rusty ending up in the HOF.
I don't think that Russ as a passer was on Marino's or Fouts' level. Those two guys had defense problems, and one of them had a running game problem and an average receivers problem to go with it. They were just fucking brilliant on their own and everybody understood why they didn't have rings. You take away Russ' ring, and I wonder how the conversation goes. I also wonder if he loses one or two of those pro bowl votes.
He was obviously a very good QB and probably makes the HOF. In today's game, his skin tone doesn't hurt his chances either. Let's just be honest about that. The NFL is still on the ropes relatively to minority hiring at the coach level, and everyone knows they had a race problem at QB for much of the league's history. They feel badly about that now.
But when you get to 9 pro bowls, you're very good, no doubt, although Pro Bowls can be a momentum thing and a popularity contest too. Said another way, when big names have good seasons, they get voted in while no names don't tend to get that benefit of the doubt.
You add All Pro and All Decade and league MVPs and now you're talking about a fucking elite player. -
If I had to bet I'd bet he gets in despite taking the contrarian view
I'm not 100 percent sold on Two Ring Manning the Younger either but his two rings came with memorable plays.
Once again Russ' getting the second ring brings the last minute drive and Kearse catch into legend status and its no question
Russ is better than Dilfer and healthier than McMahon - the three greatest defenses to win the Super Bowl. The second one would have been more Russ than the D that folded to Brady
Russ also has a lot of years left if healthy -
I'm taking baby steps towards more NFL hawt talk since I'm quitting on the college game.RaceBannon said:If I had to bet I'd bet he gets in despite taking the contrarian view
I'm not 100 percent sold on Two Ring Manning the Younger either but his two rings came with memorable plays.
Once again Russ' getting the second ring brings the last minute drive and Kearse catch into legend status and its no question
Russ is better than Dilfer and healthier than McMahon - the three greatest defenses to win the Super Bowl. The second one would have been more Russ than the D that folded to Brady
Russ also has a lot of years left if healthy -
Other teams don’t want that contract. He will never live up to it, but they have to find a way to make him a productive player. We are stuck with him. He’s a fine player in the right spot but you gotta be able to coverHFNY said:They might want to trade Jamal Adams too, if the Hawks don't win enough over the next couple of years then he'll be cunty.
Some of the RW hate is ridiculous. To not like him is fine. He has some personality flaws, but the guy is and has been a very good QB for a long time.dnc said:
FOHKrunkJuice said:
Wagner has been the top LB since he entered the league. Wilson has barely been even a top 10 guy at his position. If you let him in you have let in Stafford, Ryan, Eli, Rivers and Palmer . None of those guys are HOF's. Wilson has never had an MVP vote and has been All Pro 1 time in 10 years. None of those things are going to change in Denver because he isn't that type of player like he thinks he is. He is an overrated, arrogant, selfish prick.dnc said:
They're both HOFers rather easilyKrunkJuice said:
He should. He actually is a Hall of Famer unlike Wilson who isn't.BleachedAnusDawg said:Does Bobby Wagner get his own thread?
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Surprised you're surprisedDerekJohnson said:I can't believe the animosity toward Russ. Yes, he's weird and a bit sanctimonious, but he led Seattle to levels of success we'd never had before.
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The players top 100 isn't a perfect metric by any means but it at least tells you who the players think are the best. Russ has been eligible for the list 9 times. He's made it 9 times. His only ranking outside the top 25 overall was the rank after his rookie season (he was 51st). That's also the only time he's been lower than 8th out of QB's (he was 11th).RoadDawg55 said:
Other teams don’t want that contract. He will never live up to it, but they have to find a way to make him a productive player. We are stuck with him. He’s a fine player in the right spot but you gotta be able to coverHFNY said:They might want to trade Jamal Adams too, if the Hawks don't win enough over the next couple of years then he'll be cunty.
Some of the RW hate is ridiculous. To not like him is fine. He has some personality flaws, but the guy is and has been a very good QB for a long time.dnc said:
FOHKrunkJuice said:
Wagner has been the top LB since he entered the league. Wilson has barely been even a top 10 guy at his position. If you let him in you have let in Stafford, Ryan, Eli, Rivers and Palmer . None of those guys are HOF's. Wilson has never had an MVP vote and has been All Pro 1 time in 10 years. None of those things are going to change in Denver because he isn't that type of player like he thinks he is. He is an overrated, arrogant, selfish prick.dnc said:
They're both HOFers rather easilyKrunkJuice said:
He should. He actually is a Hall of Famer unlike Wilson who isn't.BleachedAnusDawg said:Does Bobby Wagner get his own thread?
You can’t possibly be dumb enough to believe that.
Out of QB's he's ranked 11, 5, 5, 5, 8, 7, 2, 5 for an average of 5.8.
"Barely even top 10 at his position".
BTW Russ has ranked ahead of Wagner every year of their careers except 2019. Bobby missed the list completely 3 times. He's been top 25 four times. Russ has been top 25 eight times.
Bobby Wagner is amazing.
Russ has easily been the more valuable and important player.
