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  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,921 Standard Supporter

    I don't even disagree with a lot of the liberal agenda. I just can't fucking stand them.

    What part of the liberal agenda do you not disagree with? Serious question. For me, I'd vote for limited abortion - say 20 weeks. To me that is a centrist position, not a liberal position, but whatever. After that?
    I would like healthcare to be divorced from employment.

    That's the main one. Just take a list of countries and put a graph of service quality vs cost to the individual and pick the one that comes out on top and go with it. No need to reinvent the wheel.

    My company is a manufacturer and distributor of braces and shit. We buy a back brace from China for like 25 bucks, sell it for 80. Then the doctors charge insurance 1200.
    And they have to charge that since they on average get like 30 percent.

    It's a fucking joke
    Generally would agree. But providing for a free market in health care is not a liberal idea. Total government control of health care will lower health care costs by rationing care and the quality of care. That is not improving quality of service. Let the insurance companies deal with the cost of the back brace. If they are being gouged, then get them involved. Or let the consumer use his HSA and go shopping for a back brace. Trump was imposing some price transparency on the US medical industry and they hated it. The left got Biden to immediately end the price transparency policy. Both Lasik eye surgery and plastic surgery have gotten better AND cheaper, not better and more expensive like most insured medical procedures like joint replacement. There is a huge market for Medicare Part C Advantage Plans and the insurers spend hundreds of millions in advertising for their supplemental medicare insurance policies. When you see that type of marketing for individual insurance policies then you will know the market is working. Car insurance is a small fraction of the health insurance market and you hardly see any individual insurance marketing but Geico, Progressive, State Farm, Allstate, the General, Liberty Biperty et al are omnipresent.
  • theknowledge
    theknowledge Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,864 Founders Club

    I don't even disagree with a lot of the liberal agenda. I just can't fucking stand them.

    What part of the liberal agenda do you not disagree with? Serious question. For me, I'd vote for limited abortion - say 20 weeks. To me that is a centrist position, not a liberal position, but whatever. After that?
    I would like healthcare to be divorced from employment.

    That's the main one. Just take a list of countries and put a graph of service quality vs cost to the individual and pick the one that comes out on top and go with it. No need to reinvent the wheel.

    My company is a manufacturer and distributor of braces and shit. We buy a back brace from China for like 25 bucks, sell it for 80. Then the doctors charge insurance 1200.
    And they have to charge that since they on average get like 30 percent.

    It's a fucking joke
    Also to add onto this one of the things were going to be facing super hard is elderly care

    No one has really come up with a solution or even admitted it's about to be a huge problem

    My parents are older than most in my generation but for example my mom is fine but my dad lost it all to this bitch and I dont really have an answer beyond sending 20 percent of my paycheck to him.

    People are living longer and the healthcare they rack up is insane
    I sold my house, bought my mother’s house and I’m building a tiny house on my property for my mother to live in. My wife and I had no idea what to do about my mom and this was the best we could come up with. Parents living with or near children is how this will play out moving forward and Americans need to start mentally planning for this reality moving forward.
  • RoadTrip
    RoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,253 Founders Club

    I don't even disagree with a lot of the liberal agenda. I just can't fucking stand them.

    The problem is the people who enact the policies have no interest in actually helping people.
  • RoadTrip
    RoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,253 Founders Club

    I don't even disagree with a lot of the liberal agenda. I just can't fucking stand them.

    What part of the liberal agenda do you not disagree with? Serious question. For me, I'd vote for limited abortion - say 20 weeks. To me that is a centrist position, not a liberal position, but whatever. After that?
    I would like healthcare to be divorced from employment.

    That's the main one. Just take a list of countries and put a graph of service quality vs cost to the individual and pick the one that comes out on top and go with it. No need to reinvent the wheel.

    My company is a manufacturer and distributor of braces and shit. We buy a back brace from China for like 25 bucks, sell it for 80. Then the doctors charge insurance 1200.
    And they have to charge that since they on average get like 30 percent.

    It's a fucking joke
    Also to add onto this one of the things were going to be facing super hard is elderly care

    No one has really come up with a solution or even admitted it's about to be a huge problem

    My parents are older than most in my generation but for example my mom is fine but my dad lost it all to this bitch and I dont really have an answer beyond sending 20 percent of my paycheck to him.

    People are living longer and the healthcare they rack up is insane
    I sold my house, bought my mother’s house and I’m building a tiny house on my property for my mother to live in. My wife and I had no idea what to do about my mom and this was the best we could come up with. Parents living with or near children is how this will play out moving forward and Americans need to start mentally planning for this reality moving forward.
    Man, you really seem like an amazing person.
  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,921 Standard Supporter
    RoadTrip said:

    I don't even disagree with a lot of the liberal agenda. I just can't fucking stand them.

    The problem is the people who enact the policies have no interest in actually helping people.
    I agree, public education policies are incredibly expensive and at best inefficient and as functioning results in negative education. The Green nude eel is not about global warming but global control and wealth transfer.
  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,284 Founders Club

    I don't even disagree with a lot of the liberal agenda. I just can't fucking stand them.

    What part of the liberal agenda do you not disagree with? Serious question. For me, I'd vote for limited abortion - say 20 weeks. To me that is a centrist position, not a liberal position, but whatever. After that?
    I would like healthcare to be divorced from employment.

    That's the main one. Just take a list of countries and put a graph of service quality vs cost to the individual and pick the one that comes out on top and go with it. No need to reinvent the wheel.

    My company is a manufacturer and distributor of braces and shit. We buy a back brace from China for like 25 bucks, sell it for 80. Then the doctors charge insurance 1200.
    And they have to charge that since they on average get like 30 percent.

    It's a fucking joke
    Also to add onto this one of the things were going to be facing super hard is elderly care

    No one has really come up with a solution or even admitted it's about to be a huge problem

    My parents are older than most in my generation but for example my mom is fine but my dad lost it all to this bitch and I dont really have an answer beyond sending 20 percent of my paycheck to him.

    People are living longer and the healthcare they rack up is insane
    Take 2020 out of the data and we’ve plateaued starting in about 2010. What happened in that year to cause that?


  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,681

    RoadTrip said:

    I don't even disagree with a lot of the liberal agenda. I just can't fucking stand them.

    The problem is the people who enact the policies have no interest in actually helping people.
    I agree, public education policies are incredibly expensive and at best inefficient and as functioning results in negative education. The Green nude eel is not about global warming but global control and wealth transfer.
    I was super lucky that I grew up in a nice area where good public schools were the norm.

    When I moved to the east coast my friends were legit shocked that I went to public school.

    I legitimately didn't realize that in many parts of the country if you went to public school you were like a ghetto kid.

    Damn private school is expensive. That's like a 20 percent pay cut.
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,681
    edited January 2022

    I don't even disagree with a lot of the liberal agenda. I just can't fucking stand them.

    What part of the liberal agenda do you not disagree with? Serious question. For me, I'd vote for limited abortion - say 20 weeks. To me that is a centrist position, not a liberal position, but whatever. After that?
    I would like healthcare to be divorced from employment.

    That's the main one. Just take a list of countries and put a graph of service quality vs cost to the individual and pick the one that comes out on top and go with it. No need to reinvent the wheel.

    My company is a manufacturer and distributor of braces and shit. We buy a back brace from China for like 25 bucks, sell it for 80. Then the doctors charge insurance 1200.
    And they have to charge that since they on average get like 30 percent.

    It's a fucking joke
    Also to add onto this one of the things were going to be facing super hard is elderly care

    No one has really come up with a solution or even admitted it's about to be a huge problem

    My parents are older than most in my generation but for example my mom is fine but my dad lost it all to this bitch and I dont really have an answer beyond sending 20 percent of my paycheck to him.

    People are living longer and the healthcare they rack up is insane
    I sold my house, bought my mother’s house and I’m building a tiny house on my property for my mother to live in. My wife and I had no idea what to do about my mom and this was the best we could come up with. Parents living with or near children is how this will play out moving forward and Americans need to start mentally planning for this reality moving forward.
    Yep. There like is no answer. It's really nuts.

    But I said I have older parents than most millennials but it's gonna hit really hard in the next 10 years


    It kinda reminds me of being stuck at the airport in random city. A total feeling of helplessness
  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,921 Standard Supporter

    RoadTrip said:

    I don't even disagree with a lot of the liberal agenda. I just can't fucking stand them.

    The problem is the people who enact the policies have no interest in actually helping people.
    I agree, public education policies are incredibly expensive and at best inefficient and as functioning results in negative education. The Green nude eel is not about global warming but global control and wealth transfer.
    I was super lucky that I grew up in a nice area where good public schools were the norm.

    When I moved to the east coast my friends were legit shocked that I went to public school.

    I legitimately didn't realize that in many parts of the country if you went to public school you were like a ghetto kid.

    Damn private school is expensive. That's like a 20 percent pay cut.
    Major US cities spend $27,000 per student on public education. That would cover a lot of private schools. In West Linn they spend $16,000 per student. That would cover a private Catholic school education. It's not the money, it is the waste.
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,681

    RoadTrip said:

    I don't even disagree with a lot of the liberal agenda. I just can't fucking stand them.

    The problem is the people who enact the policies have no interest in actually helping people.
    I agree, public education policies are incredibly expensive and at best inefficient and as functioning results in negative education. The Green nude eel is not about global warming but global control and wealth transfer.
    I was super lucky that I grew up in a nice area where good public schools were the norm.

    When I moved to the east coast my friends were legit shocked that I went to public school.

    I legitimately didn't realize that in many parts of the country if you went to public school you were like a ghetto kid.

    Damn private school is expensive. That's like a 20 percent pay cut.
    Major US cities spend $27,000 per student on public education. That would cover a lot of private schools. In West Linn they spend $16,000 per student. That would cover a private Catholic school education. It's not the money, it is the waste.
    But it shouldn't even have to be a thing