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  • RealRhino
    RealRhino Member Posts: 615
    AtomicDawg said:

    Doogles said:

    Honest question, at what point as a mercenary recruiter does your message stop having an impact/easy to be picked apart?

    If Donte Williams comes here, everyone knows he'll be gone in 1.5 seasons to the next highest bidder.

    I'm not the greatest salesman on the planet but I'd probably bring a laminated chart of this going head to head with Dante for any recruits:



    Every move he has made was considered a move up. Until he becomes an actual dc it probably doesn’t make the most sense to move on.

    That said if he does leave oh well. You hire another secondary coach.
    No offense, but this sounds like excuse making bullshit. Every move was a move up? 2019, he’s at Oregon, they just won the pack 12 and the Rose Bowl. So he leaves for USC where everybody knows that Clay Helton is on his way out and the whole staff is going to get fired? That doesn’t sound like much of a move up to me.

    And leaving from Nebraska to Oregon? Nebraska had just hired one of the hottest coaching names in the country, Scott Frost. Oregon had just hired a complete unknown assistant coach, Mario Cristobal. A guy who had been fired from his only previous head-coaching job. At the time, if you were choosing which of those two was more likely to be successful long-term, it would’ve been Frost. That also doesn’t sound like a real step up to me.

    Finally, even if you excuse those decisions by saying he got paid more at each stop, the question remains: if he was so vital, why didn’t the previous staff’s or the new staffs offer him enough to keep him? Look at us. We’re talking about liking the job Adams has done so much we want to keep him. And we may have liked Malloe enough to offer him a chance to stay. When Lake was getting interest in better jobs we upped his $$, gave him a new job/title. Yet it seems none of these coaches thought Williams was worth matching the offer. Makes you wonder.
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  • backthepack
    backthepack Member Posts: 19,942
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  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,168
    RealRhino said:

    AtomicDawg said:

    Doogles said:

    Honest question, at what point as a mercenary recruiter does your message stop having an impact/easy to be picked apart?

    If Donte Williams comes here, everyone knows he'll be gone in 1.5 seasons to the next highest bidder.

    I'm not the greatest salesman on the planet but I'd probably bring a laminated chart of this going head to head with Dante for any recruits:



    Every move he has made was considered a move up. Until he becomes an actual dc it probably doesn’t make the most sense to move on.

    That said if he does leave oh well. You hire another secondary coach.
    No offense, but this sounds like excuse making bullshit. Every move was a move up? 2019, he’s at Oregon, they just won the pack 12 and the Rose Bowl. So he leaves for USC where everybody knows that Clay Helton is on his way out and the whole staff is going to get fired? That doesn’t sound like much of a move up to me.

    And leaving from Nebraska to Oregon? Nebraska had just hired one of the hottest coaching names in the country, Scott Frost. Oregon had just hired a complete unknown assistant coach, Mario Cristobal. A guy who had been fired from his only previous head-coaching job. At the time, if you were choosing which of those two was more likely to be successful long-term, it would’ve been Frost. That also doesn’t sound like a real step up to me.

    Finally, even if you excuse those decisions by saying he got paid more at each stop, the question remains: if he was so vital, why didn’t the previous staff’s or the new staffs offer him enough to keep him? Look at us. We’re talking about liking the job Adams has done so much we want to keep him. And we may have liked Malloe enough to offer him a chance to stay. When Lake was getting interest in better jobs we upped his $$, gave him a new job/title. Yet it seems none of these coaches thought Williams was worth matching the offer. Makes you wonder.
    Now ask yourself why
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,392 Standard Supporter
    Doogles said:

    Honest question, at what point as a mercenary recruiter does your message stop having an impact/easy to be picked apart?

    If Donte Williams comes here, everyone knows he'll be gone in 1.5 seasons to the next highest bidder.

    I'm not the greatest salesman on the planet but I'd probably bring a laminated chart of this going head to head with Dante for any recruits:



    There is a real argument that if you can’t develop, it doesn’t matter. I want him at UW, but am not as gung ho about it as many here.
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  • BeerThirty
    BeerThirty Member Posts: 2,465
    backthepack said:

    RealRhino said:

    Spoadie! Oh my god, I feel like the adults in "It" who had kinda forgot all about that demonic clown and suddenly it all comes rushing back!

    But also, who the fuck is Donte Williams? Has he ever actually coached anybody that could play? You'll pardon me if I don't doog out about becoming USC of the last 10 years, signing great recruits and watching them turn into 5th-round draft picks. I remember Bill Simmons's basketball book wherein he argued that if a guy considered great was really so great, why was he fucking traded? Same question: if having Donte Williams is so great, why can't he seem to stay on a staff for more than a year or two? Arizona, 1 year. Nebraska, 1 yr. Oregon, 2 yrs. All in the same role. USC, 2 years. And don't tell he left because he was getting better offers. If he was so great, the school would've paid what it took to keep him.

    Bill Parcells, the smartest man of our age, said it best: don't tell me about the labor, show me the baby.

    Ok. Would you rather have Will Harris or Bob Gregory on staff?
    Fuck off w/ respect of course
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  • Houhusky
    Houhusky Member Posts: 5,537
    RoadDawg55 said:

    Doogles said:

    Honest question, at what point as a mercenary recruiter does your message stop having an impact/easy to be picked apart?

    If Donte Williams comes here, everyone knows he'll be gone in 1.5 seasons to the next highest bidder.

    I'm not the greatest salesman on the planet but I'd probably bring a laminated chart of this going head to head with Dante for any recruits:



    There is a real argument that if you can’t develop, it doesn’t matter. I want him at UW, but am not as gung ho about it as many here.
    Its fine to have one or two recruiting specialists on your grumpy old man development focused coaching staff but if your staff is a bunch of mercenary recruiters you are just going to end up with a team of overhyped 4 star goo that sucks.

    Its far easier to build a support system so a great development coach can recruit than it is to turn a great recruiter into a good development coach.

    recruiting only matters if you can develop it.
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  • theknowledge
    theknowledge Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,835 Founders Club
    It all starts and finishes with the head coach. If DeBoer is a great coach he will squeeze every ounce of development out of the mercenaries and have enough developers to make sure the team isn’t a soft batch of goo. If Pete coaches Sarks staff from 2014-19 he’s getting more results from the same group of guys. Even Ivan and his explosive ACL training would have had a turnaround in results.
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