Mario to Miami confirmed

chuck said:

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chuck said:

Gladstone said:

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theknowledge said:

CallMeBigErn said:

OreDawg said:

Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.

The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.

My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.

Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspective

CallMeBigErn said:

theknowledge said:

CallMeBigErn said:

OreDawg said:

Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.

The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.

It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.

This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.

CallMeBigErn said:

theknowledge said:

CallMeBigErn said:

OreDawg said:

Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.

The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.

Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.

What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet

CallMeBigErn said:

theknowledge said:

CallMeBigErn said:

OreDawg said:

Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.

The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.

He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.

Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.

Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErn

I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.

You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.

Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.

He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.

The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.

Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance.

He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.

Nike and PK recruits for Oregon. Who ever they get will recruit fine. The notion that MC is such an outstanding recruiter is a myth. I could recruit to Oregon just as well. Money talks.

It’s been pretty well documented by recruits, recruits’ parents (ie Hugh Breed Love Millen), and former staffers (ie Cooper Petagna) that Cristo cares more about recruiting than anything else and implores his staff to recruit like it’s the SEC.

So yeah, combined that effort and acumen with PK money and you have top-10 classes.

My point is Oregon’s floor with a dope like Helfrich is higher that UW’s ceiling as demonstrated by Petersen

Wanna pull up the NFL draft charts for those years?

NOGAF about the NFL.

His point isn't about the NFL. The best players go play there. Petersen sent more players to the NFL than Helf because he had better players...because he recruited better players.

Simple fact.

No. He developed them better. Simple fact. Unless you’re going the RANKINGS DON’T MATTER! route. Which is FS.

The rankings don't really matter when you only give them a cursory glance. They were rated slightly higher. The ranking difference is insignificant.

I sure as hell don't value rankings over actual performance. You're just reaching into the bag of doogish excuses to try supporting your point. Petersen's players were better, therefore he recruited better. When you're not a top 5 recruiting program, eval matters way more than rankings do. Petersen evaluated better and recruited better. Simple. You can argue otherwise but you can't support it with anything other than your customary cuntiness.

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PasadenaHuskyFan said:

Oregon is really going to finish 10-4 😂

2018 huskies without the conference title.

Or the Rose Bowl humiliation.

two mountain west humiliations.

Us losing you Utah and you hiring the Fresno guy?

Cringey, even for you.

Imagine spending all of 2021 taking shit about the mountain west and then hiring the mountain west, west runner up to lead your program.

Must be pretty hard to come to grips with.

Ugh, not really.

Power 5's pillage the mountain west, aac, whatever the fuck USF was in when Oregon got Tags, all the time.

Not the same thing as getting your ass kicked twice, second time your coach is actively trying to bail by half time because he knows his tuff guy schtick has been exposed.

Not entirely sure it'll happen yet, but there's a real possibility he just went from talking playoffs to actively recruiting your class away from you in a matter of weeks.

It's hilarious and you're upset. Might wanna go back to FishDuck 2.forever with truBeavlet and the other fucking idiots. Maybe Bob will show back up again to cry with you.

Writes 5 paragraphs, calls someone’s else upset.

backthepack said:

CallMeBigErn said:

chuck said:

MikeDamone said:

chuck said:

MikeDamone said:

chuck said:

MikeDamone said:

BleachedAnusDawg said:

MikeDamone said:

Beno4Life said:

MikeDamone said:

46XiJCAB said:

Swaye said:

CallMeBigErn said:

Ice_Holmvik said:

CallMeBigErn said:

chuck said:

Gladstone said:

CallMeBigErn said:

theknowledge said:

CallMeBigErn said:

OreDawg said:

Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.

The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.

My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.

Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspective

CallMeBigErn said:

theknowledge said:

CallMeBigErn said:

OreDawg said:

Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.

The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.

It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.

This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.

CallMeBigErn said:

theknowledge said:

CallMeBigErn said:

OreDawg said:

Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.

The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.

Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.

What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet

CallMeBigErn said:

theknowledge said:

CallMeBigErn said:

OreDawg said:

Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.

The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.

He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.

Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.

Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErn

I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.

You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.

Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.

He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.

The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.

Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance.

He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.

Nike and PK recruits for Oregon. Who ever they get will recruit fine. The notion that MC is such an outstanding recruiter is a myth. I could recruit to Oregon just as well. Money talks.

It’s been pretty well documented by recruits, recruits’ parents (ie Hugh Breed Love Millen), and former staffers (ie Cooper Petagna) that Cristo cares more about recruiting than anything else and implores his staff to recruit like it’s the SEC.

So yeah, combined that effort and acumen with PK money and you have top-10 classes.

My point is Oregon’s floor with a dope like Helfrich is higher that UW’s ceiling as demonstrated by Petersen

Wanna pull up the NFL draft charts for those years?

NOGAF about the NFL.

His point isn't about the NFL. The best players go play there. Petersen sent more players to the NFL than Helf because he had better players...because he recruited better players.

Simple fact.

No. He developed them better. Simple fact. Unless you’re going the RANKINGS DON’T MATTER! route. Which is FS.

The rankings don't really matter when you only give them a cursory glance. They were rated slightly higher. The ranking difference is insignificant.

I sure as hell don't value rankings over actual performance. You're just reaching into the bag of doogish excuses to try supporting your point. Petersen's players were better, therefore he recruited better. When you're not a top 5 recruiting program, eval matters way more than rankings do. Petersen evaluated better and recruited better. Simple. You can argue otherwise but you can't support it with anything other than your customary cuntiness.

Christ. The point still escapes you. Dumbfuck.

If you say so you simpleton cunt. There's something you're missing, and it pisses you off. I'm at peace with that.

This Oregon coaching position has really brought out the best in this board. Such vitriol. Such doggedness. Pretty fascinating stuff when you think about it.

No, you're just a fucking idiot that creates world salads of buzzwords and bullshit corny cliches.

BleachedAnusDawg said:

MikeDamone said:

Helfrich out recruited Petersen. HTH.

MikeDamone said:

The point here, for you dumb asses who can’t follow along, isn’t that Helfrich is a better recruiter than Petersen, it’s a discussion that Oregon recruits itself to a large extent because of Phil Knight/Nike. Cristobal did better than Helfrich because he’s better than Helfrich, but he gets to start on 2nd base Petersen didn’t blow the doors off a dumbshit like Helfrich because again, Helfrich starts on 2nd base.

The NFL shit is stupid. Petersen is a better coach and had better assistants. If Helfrich and Peterson have similar talent to work,with, of course Petersen is going to have better results.

First it was the Helfrich out-recruited Petersen. Then it was actually not Helfrich, but that Oregon recruits itself. Then, from 2016 - 2018 UW had higher per player recruiting rankings over Oregon which supposedly recruits itself (2016 - Helfrich, 2017 - Taggart, 2018 - Cristo) against a coach in Petersen who was notorious for not chasing star rankings and being very selective in offers.