Debunking the Mariota "injury"
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Yeah, on a similar number of rushes, Mariota is good for about 2.5 YPC than Thomas. Both are productive running threats though.dnc said:
I don't really give a shit, but I had the impression Mariota was a much better runner in addition to being a slightly better passer?AZDuck said:OBK has a poont here.
2010: 222/361 61.5% 2881 yards 30 TDs 9 INTs QBR: 151.0
2011: 211/339 62.2% 2761 yards 33 TDs 7 INTs QBR: 158.7
Thomas was a very good college QB.
Mariota:
2012: 230/336 68.5% 2677 yards 32 TDs 6 INTs QBR: 163.2
2013: 245/386 63.5% 3665 yards 31 TDs 4 INTs QBR: 167.7
MM turned it up a notch, but most any team in the Pac-12 would have been thrilled to have Thomas under center.
Thomas ran our offense and did so very well. Maybe he reached his peak at Oregon, but that's no reason to bash the guy.
My point is that OBK actually has one - a lot of people in the Quook camp really teed off on Thomas when he left early without knowing why he left - and in terms of the trophy case he's probably the best QB in school history. -
So, according to the always fascinating thought process of Mosster47, saying the team suffered in play because of Mariota's knee is an excuse made by "Quooks," but saying the team suffered because of bad coaching is a fact and inarguable.
You're an absolute loon. So many words, and all you've proven is you subscribe to the idiot fallback of "I'm right, you're wrong, so there!" -
Who is bashing Thomas? He's not as good as Mariota, but saying that isn't bashing him. The Pac 10 was awful in 2010, and Chip and the Ducks didn't let a great opportunity go to waste. Last year's team loses 2 more games with Thomas at QB.AZDuck said:OBK has a poont here.
2010: 222/361 61.5% 2881 yards 30 TDs 9 INTs QBR: 151.0
2011: 211/339 62.2% 2761 yards 33 TDs 7 INTs QBR: 158.7
Thomas was a very good college QB.
Mariota:
2012: 230/336 68.5% 2677 yards 32 TDs 6 INTs QBR: 163.2
2013: 245/386 63.5% 3665 yards 31 TDs 4 INTs QBR: 167.7
MM turned it up a notch, but most any team in the Pac-12 would have been thrilled to have Thomas under center.
Thomas ran our offense and did so very well. Maybe he reached his peak at Oregon, but that's no reason to bash the guy.
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Darron Thomas ran for a total of 692 yards in his two years as a starter. Mariota ran for 752 yards in 2012, and 715 yards last year.AZDuck said:
Yeah, on a similar number of rushes, Mariota is good for about 2.5 YPC than Thomas. Both are productive running threats though.
My point is that OBK actually has one - a lot of people in the Quook camp really teed off on Thomas when he left early without knowing why he left - and in terms of the trophy case he's probably the best QB in school history.
Thomas was nowhere near the running threat that Marcus is, Flabby.
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I know why Thomas left. He didn't want to be a backup to Mariota his senior year. You also have to factor how Mariota would have been under Kelly vs. Helfrich. It's completely relevant that there is a huge difference.AZDuck said:
Yeah, on a similar number of rushes, Mariota is good for about 2.5 YPC than Thomas. Both are productive running threats though.dnc said:
I don't really give a shit, but I had the impression Mariota was a much better runner in addition to being a slightly better passer?AZDuck said:OBK has a poont here.
2010: 222/361 61.5% 2881 yards 30 TDs 9 INTs QBR: 151.0
2011: 211/339 62.2% 2761 yards 33 TDs 7 INTs QBR: 158.7
Thomas was a very good college QB.
Mariota:
2012: 230/336 68.5% 2677 yards 32 TDs 6 INTs QBR: 163.2
2013: 245/386 63.5% 3665 yards 31 TDs 4 INTs QBR: 167.7
MM turned it up a notch, but most any team in the Pac-12 would have been thrilled to have Thomas under center.
Thomas ran our offense and did so very well. Maybe he reached his peak at Oregon, but that's no reason to bash the guy.
My point is that OBK actually has one - a lot of people in the Quook camp really teed off on Thomas when he left early without knowing why he left - and in terms of the trophy case he's probably the best QB in school history. -
Fair enough. In my mind Thomas was a B+ QB and Kelly used him pretty much to his full potential. Mariota is an A+ QB and to date he hasn't reached his full potential.greenblood said:
I know why Thomas left. He didn't want to be a backup to Mariota his senior year. You also have to factor how Mariota would have been under Kelly vs. Helfrich. It's completely relevant that there is a huge difference.AZDuck said:
Yeah, on a similar number of rushes, Mariota is good for about 2.5 YPC than Thomas. Both are productive running threats though.dnc said:
I don't really give a shit, but I had the impression Mariota was a much better runner in addition to being a slightly better passer?AZDuck said:OBK has a poont here.
2010: 222/361 61.5% 2881 yards 30 TDs 9 INTs QBR: 151.0
2011: 211/339 62.2% 2761 yards 33 TDs 7 INTs QBR: 158.7
Thomas was a very good college QB.
Mariota:
2012: 230/336 68.5% 2677 yards 32 TDs 6 INTs QBR: 163.2
2013: 245/386 63.5% 3665 yards 31 TDs 4 INTs QBR: 167.7
MM turned it up a notch, but most any team in the Pac-12 would have been thrilled to have Thomas under center.
Thomas ran our offense and did so very well. Maybe he reached his peak at Oregon, but that's no reason to bash the guy.
My point is that OBK actually has one - a lot of people in the Quook camp really teed off on Thomas when he left early without knowing why he left - and in terms of the trophy case he's probably the best QB in school history.
This could be the year, but I'm LIFPO and you, Moss, and OBK have already buried Helfrich.
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I'll admit it if I end up being wrong. Helfrich in my opinion is a much more aggressive recruiter than Kelly, but his X's and O's and in-game adjustments are below average at best. Unless Helfrich recruits 4* and 5* players everywhere, he will not even get close to Kelly's success. I don't care how aggressive you are, how hot your cheerleaders are, and how cool your buildings are, you are not getting consistent top-tier talent across the board to Eugene . At best we can get above average talent. But to win a "Natty" with just above average talent across the board, you need a GREAT not OK coach.AZDuck said:
Fair enough. In my mind Thomas was a B+ QB and Kelly used him pretty much to his full potential. Mariota is an A+ QB and to date he hasn't reached his full potential.greenblood said:
I know why Thomas left. He didn't want to be a backup to Mariota his senior year. You also have to factor how Mariota would have been under Kelly vs. Helfrich. It's completely relevant that there is a huge difference.AZDuck said:
Yeah, on a similar number of rushes, Mariota is good for about 2.5 YPC than Thomas. Both are productive running threats though.dnc said:
I don't really give a shit, but I had the impression Mariota was a much better runner in addition to being a slightly better passer?AZDuck said:OBK has a poont here.
2010: 222/361 61.5% 2881 yards 30 TDs 9 INTs QBR: 151.0
2011: 211/339 62.2% 2761 yards 33 TDs 7 INTs QBR: 158.7
Thomas was a very good college QB.
Mariota:
2012: 230/336 68.5% 2677 yards 32 TDs 6 INTs QBR: 163.2
2013: 245/386 63.5% 3665 yards 31 TDs 4 INTs QBR: 167.7
MM turned it up a notch, but most any team in the Pac-12 would have been thrilled to have Thomas under center.
Thomas ran our offense and did so very well. Maybe he reached his peak at Oregon, but that's no reason to bash the guy.
My point is that OBK actually has one - a lot of people in the Quook camp really teed off on Thomas when he left early without knowing why he left - and in terms of the trophy case he's probably the best QB in school history.
This could be the year, but I'm LIFPO and you, Moss, and OBK have already buried Helfrich. -
Mariota played under Chip in 2012. He ran for 500 more yards than Thomas did the year before. He even won a Fiesta Bowl.greenblood said:
I know why Thomas left. He didn't want to be a backup to Mariota his senior year. You also have to factor how Mariota would have been under Kelly vs. Helfrich. It's completely relevant that there is a huge difference. -
Absolutely, and imagine the maturation that would have taken place in year two.PDXDuckFan said:
Mariota played under Chip in 2012. He ran for 500 more yards than Thomas did the year before. He even won a Fiesta Bowl.greenblood said:
I know why Thomas left. He didn't want to be a backup to Mariota his senior year. You also have to factor how Mariota would have been under Kelly vs. Helfrich. It's completely relevant that there is a huge difference. -
He had a better year in 2013. Almost 1000 more yards passing (2666 to 3665 ), almost as many rushing (752 to 715), better QB rating (163 to 167), better QBR (86 to 88), more TDs (37 to 40), and he did it with a hobbled De Anthony Thomas for the second half of the season.greenblood said:
Absolutely, and imagine the maturation that would have taken place in year two.
Yep, Helfrich and Frost sure ruined him! Idiots -
They didn't ruin him, but they lowered his college ceiling a few feet. It is going to be fun to watch the implosion happen when we lose Mariota next year, and we'll actually have to rely on Helfrich's coaching. But no worries, quooks will throw out the "We lost Mariota excuse" during the 8-5 season. Then when we go 7-6 the next year, we'll get the "wait till the new guy developes card". Finally after going 7-6 again the next year, Helfrich gets canned, and the idiots will claim they new Helfrich was a fraud from the beginning. Boy that sounds familiar......PDXDuckFan said:
He had a better year in 2013. Almost 1000 more yards passing (3665 to 2666), almost as many rushing (752 to 715), better QB rating (163 to 167), better QBR (86 to 88), more TDs (37 to 40), and he did it with a hobbled De Anthony Thomas for the second half of the season.greenblood said:
Absolutely, and imagine the maturation that would have taken place in year two.
Yep, Helfrich and Frost sure ruined him! Idiots -
Why is it going to be fun watching the Ducks implode? What fan thinks that's a good thing?greenblood said:It is going to be fun to watch the implosion happen when we lose Mariota next year, and we'll actually have to rely on Helfrich's coaching. But no worries, quooks will throw out the "We lost Mariota excuse" during the 8-5 season. Then when we go 7-6 the next year, we'll get the "wait till the new guy developes card". Finally after going 7-6 again the next year, Helfrich gets canned, and the idiots will claim they new Helfrich was a fraud from the beginning. Boy that sounds familiar......
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What I don't understand is why Quackholes can't just enjoy a football season. It's like your self-worth is on the line if the Ducks lose a game. That laxduck guy on eDuck hasn't been right since he took a big road trip to the Arizona game.
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sar·casm [sahr-kaz-uhm] Show IPAPDXDuckFan said:
Why is it going to be fun watching the Ducks implode? What fan thinks that's a good thing?greenblood said:It is going to be fun to watch the implosion happen when we lose Mariota next year, and we'll actually have to rely on Helfrich's coaching. But no worries, quooks will throw out the "We lost Mariota excuse" during the 8-5 season. Then when we go 7-6 the next year, we'll get the "wait till the new guy developes card". Finally after going 7-6 again the next year, Helfrich gets canned, and the idiots will claim they new Helfrich was a fraud from the beginning. Boy that sounds familiar......
noun
1.
harsh or bitter derision or irony.
2.
a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark: a review full of sarcasms.
Origin:
1570–80; < Late Latin sarcasmus < Greek sarkasmós, derivative of sarkázein to rend (flesh), sneer; see sarco-
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What you said wasn't sarcasm, though. Ironic, perhaps...greenblood said:
sar·casm [sahr-kaz-uhm] Show IPAPDXDuckFan said:
Why is it going to be fun watching the Ducks implode? What fan thinks that's a good thing?greenblood said:It is going to be fun to watch the implosion happen when we lose Mariota next year, and we'll actually have to rely on Helfrich's coaching. But no worries, quooks will throw out the "We lost Mariota excuse" during the 8-5 season. Then when we go 7-6 the next year, we'll get the "wait till the new guy developes card". Finally after going 7-6 again the next year, Helfrich gets canned, and the idiots will claim they new Helfrich was a fraud from the beginning. Boy that sounds familiar......
noun
1.
harsh or bitter derision or irony.
2.
a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark: a review full of sarcasms.
Origin:
1570–80; < Late Latin sarcasmus < Greek sarkasmós, derivative of sarkázein to rend (flesh), sneer; see sarco-
Related forms
su·per·sar·casm, noun
Synonyms
1. sardonicism, bitterness, ridicule. See irony1 . 2. jeer. -
I'm sorry school failed youPDXDuckFan said:
What you said wasn't sarcasm, though. Ironic, perhaps...greenblood said:
sar·casm [sahr-kaz-uhm] Show IPAPDXDuckFan said:
Why is it going to be fun watching the Ducks implode? What fan thinks that's a good thing?greenblood said:It is going to be fun to watch the implosion happen when we lose Mariota next year, and we'll actually have to rely on Helfrich's coaching. But no worries, quooks will throw out the "We lost Mariota excuse" during the 8-5 season. Then when we go 7-6 the next year, we'll get the "wait till the new guy developes card". Finally after going 7-6 again the next year, Helfrich gets canned, and the idiots will claim they new Helfrich was a fraud from the beginning. Boy that sounds familiar......
noun
1.
harsh or bitter derision or irony.
2.
a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark: a review full of sarcasms.
Origin:
1570–80; < Late Latin sarcasmus < Greek sarkasmós, derivative of sarkázein to rend (flesh), sneer; see sarco-
Related forms
su·per·sar·casm, noun
Synonyms
1. sardonicism, bitterness, ridicule. See irony1 . 2. jeer. -
Said the person who thought they used sarcasm, yet didn't.greenblood said:
I'm sorry school failed you
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Why do you hate forcing Aliotti door.ass.out into retirement?TierbsHsotBoobs said:I know old man Phil is slipping when Oregon's offense only scores 16 points in a fucking dreckfest win over Texas and no one gets fired.
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Mind you, Sven believes that coordinators don't matter, but the post-season rearrangement of the deckchairs in Eugene convinced me to LIFPO this season
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Didn't Rodrigues transfer?
Mariota needs to run less read option, he doesn't have a big frame and Oregon's WRs aren't that good so he may need to take off running on called passes. If he goes out, they'll be even easier to defend (Addison is out for awhile, if not the whole year, with an ACL tear and Huff is gone). -
Brown and Mundt will need to be more involved in the passing game, Lowe will be the top possession receiver, and both Devon Allen and Darren Carrington looked great in the spring game. Allen won MVP for the game. He's a beast.HFNY said:Didn't Rodrigues transfer?
Mariota needs to run less read option, he doesn't have a big frame and Oregon's WRs aren't that good so he may need to take off running on called passes. If he goes out, they'll be even easier to defend (Addison is out for awhile, if not the whole year, with an ACL tear and Huff is gone).
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Yep, we have Jake Lockie as the #2 QB... after that we have a true freshman (highly rated but true frosh) Morgan Mahalak
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Mariota under Kelly choked against Stanford. HTH. However he did choke more grievously against Stanford under Helfrich.greenblood said:
I know why Thomas left. He didn't want to be a backup to Mariota his senior year. You also have to factor how Mariota would have been under Kelly vs. Helfrich. It's completely relevant that there is a huge difference.AZDuck said:
Yeah, on a similar number of rushes, Mariota is good for about 2.5 YPC than Thomas. Both are productive running threats though.dnc said:
I don't really give a shit, but I had the impression Mariota was a much better runner in addition to being a slightly better passer?AZDuck said:OBK has a poont here.
2010: 222/361 61.5% 2881 yards 30 TDs 9 INTs QBR: 151.0
2011: 211/339 62.2% 2761 yards 33 TDs 7 INTs QBR: 158.7
Thomas was a very good college QB.
Mariota:
2012: 230/336 68.5% 2677 yards 32 TDs 6 INTs QBR: 163.2
2013: 245/386 63.5% 3665 yards 31 TDs 4 INTs QBR: 167.7
MM turned it up a notch, but most any team in the Pac-12 would have been thrilled to have Thomas under center.
Thomas ran our offense and did so very well. Maybe he reached his peak at Oregon, but that's no reason to bash the guy.
My point is that OBK actually has one - a lot of people in the Quook camp really teed off on Thomas when he left early without knowing why he left - and in terms of the trophy case he's probably the best QB in school history. -
No it won't be fun, but for a guy like you, maybe it will.greenblood said:
They didn't ruin him, but they lowered his college ceiling a few feet. It is going to be fun to watch the implosion happen when we lose Mariota next year, and we'll actually have to rely on Helfrich's coaching. But no worries, quooks will throw out the "We lost Mariota excuse" during the 8-5 season. Then when we go 7-6 the next year, we'll get the "wait till the new guy developes card". Finally after going 7-6 again the next year, Helfrich gets canned, and the idiots will claim they new Helfrich was a fraud from the beginning. Boy that sounds familiar......PDXDuckFan said:
He had a better year in 2013. Almost 1000 more yards passing (3665 to 2666), almost as many rushing (752 to 715), better QB rating (163 to 167), better QBR (86 to 88), more TDs (37 to 40), and he did it with a hobbled De Anthony Thomas for the second half of the season.greenblood said:
Absolutely, and imagine the maturation that would have taken place in year two.
Yep, Helfrich and Frost sure ruined him! Idiots -
Your first and only good poast.PDXDuckFan said:
Why is it going to be fun watching the Ducks implode? What fan thinks that's a good thing?greenblood said:It is going to be fun to watch the implosion happen when we lose Mariota next year, and we'll actually have to rely on Helfrich's coaching. But no worries, quooks will throw out the "We lost Mariota excuse" during the 8-5 season. Then when we go 7-6 the next year, we'll get the "wait till the new guy developes card". Finally after going 7-6 again the next year, Helfrich gets canned, and the idiots will claim they new Helfrich was a fraud from the beginning. Boy that sounds familiar......
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For a guy like me it will be fanfuckingtastic.oregonblitzkrieg said:
No it won't be fun, but for a guy like you, maybe it will.greenblood said:
They didn't ruin him, but they lowered his college ceiling a few feet. It is going to be fun to watch the implosion happen when we lose Mariota next year, and we'll actually have to rely on Helfrich's coaching. But no worries, quooks will throw out the "We lost Mariota excuse" during the 8-5 season. Then when we go 7-6 the next year, we'll get the "wait till the new guy developes card". Finally after going 7-6 again the next year, Helfrich gets canned, and the idiots will claim they new Helfrich was a fraud from the beginning. Boy that sounds familiar......PDXDuckFan said:
He had a better year in 2013. Almost 1000 more yards passing (3665 to 2666), almost as many rushing (752 to 715), better QB rating (163 to 167), better QBR (86 to 88), more TDs (37 to 40), and he did it with a hobbled De Anthony Thomas for the second half of the season.greenblood said:
Absolutely, and imagine the maturation that would have taken place in year two.
Yep, Helfrich and Frost sure ruined him! Idiots
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You'll still have to deal with 11 years after this season.dnc said:
For a guy like me it will be fanfuckingtastic.oregonblitzkrieg said:
No it won't be fun, but for a guy like you, maybe it will.greenblood said:
They didn't ruin him, but they lowered his college ceiling a few feet. It is going to be fun to watch the implosion happen when we lose Mariota next year, and we'll actually have to rely on Helfrich's coaching. But no worries, quooks will throw out the "We lost Mariota excuse" during the 8-5 season. Then when we go 7-6 the next year, we'll get the "wait till the new guy developes card". Finally after going 7-6 again the next year, Helfrich gets canned, and the idiots will claim they new Helfrich was a fraud from the beginning. Boy that sounds familiar......PDXDuckFan said:
He had a better year in 2013. Almost 1000 more yards passing (3665 to 2666), almost as many rushing (752 to 715), better QB rating (163 to 167), better QBR (86 to 88), more TDs (37 to 40), and he did it with a hobbled De Anthony Thomas for the second half of the season.greenblood said:
Absolutely, and imagine the maturation that would have taken place in year two.
Yep, Helfrich and Frost sure ruined him! Idiots -
huh?oregonblitzkrieg said:
You'll still have to deal with 11 years after this season.dnc said:
For a guy like me it will be fanfuckingtastic.oregonblitzkrieg said:
No it won't be fun, but for a guy like you, maybe it will.greenblood said:
They didn't ruin him, but they lowered his college ceiling a few feet. It is going to be fun to watch the implosion happen when we lose Mariota next year, and we'll actually have to rely on Helfrich's coaching. But no worries, quooks will throw out the "We lost Mariota excuse" during the 8-5 season. Then when we go 7-6 the next year, we'll get the "wait till the new guy developes card". Finally after going 7-6 again the next year, Helfrich gets canned, and the idiots will claim they new Helfrich was a fraud from the beginning. Boy that sounds familiar......PDXDuckFan said:
He had a better year in 2013. Almost 1000 more yards passing (3665 to 2666), almost as many rushing (752 to 715), better QB rating (163 to 167), better QBR (86 to 88), more TDs (37 to 40), and he did it with a hobbled De Anthony Thomas for the second half of the season.greenblood said:
Absolutely, and imagine the maturation that would have taken place in year two.
Yep, Helfrich and Frost sure ruined him! Idiots
