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Harvard breakthrough infections

jecornel
jecornel Member Posts: 9,737
edited September 2021 in Tug Tavern
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,102
    Never was about stopping cases

    One big mistake was this fixation on cases … it’s distorted what success looks like
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  • 46XiJCAB
    46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    Make everyone go virtual, cases decline, everyone comes back, cases spike, everyone back to virtual.

    What’s the takeaway? Vaccinated infect the vaccinated.
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  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    Tequilla said:

    Never was about stopping cases

    One big mistake was this fixation on cases … it’s distorted what success looks like

    Please describe the success in the jab then. Because as one that chose to get it. I feel hoodwinked and bamboozled.
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  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    As soon as we get to 98% of EVERYONE vaccinated, we can go back to normal.
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,861 Standard Supporter
    Israel is the most vaxed country on the planet. Covid rages! It's a feature!
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,102
    Kaepsknee said:

    Tequilla said:

    Never was about stopping cases

    One big mistake was this fixation on cases … it’s distorted what success looks like

    Please describe the success in the jab then. Because as one that chose to get it. I feel hoodwinked and bamboozled.
    The goal posts have been moved way too much … living on the West Coast anybody that thought things were opening up were foolish

    The reason to get vaccinated to me resides in the data around positive cases that head to hospitalizations, ICUs, and worse.

    Anybody that thinks that COVID is just going to vanish is likely fooling themselves
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  • 46XiJCAB
    46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    When this whole thing started I would check out the Oregon Health Authority Covid tracker dashboard. It was obvious from the beginning who was at risk. Anyone with a functioning brain could read the data and figure out who we needed to protect. But that wasn't the goal. Don't think for a minute this was about public health. If any of you read the Spartacus PDF that poasted here, it's plain as day.
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  • jecornel
    jecornel Member Posts: 9,737
    None of this was about public health. Simply a power and control grab.

    A close friend lost two people in their extended 70's with comorbidities. Hospital refused to treat with Vitamin C drip and Ivermectin based on internal protocol. Both died alone. Would not allow spouse visitation. The hospital did honor one request of the family and that was not to treat with Remdesivir which kills people. Fauci of course pushes Remdesivir.

    Here is a trial Remdisivir was used for Ebola. It was pulled halfway through the study.
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31022-9/fulltext

    Remdesivir study on Covid. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.15.20209817v1
    HCQ is in there but they later learned the dosing was incorrect. HCQ is an effective treatment.






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  • 46XiJCAB
    46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    Why treat with cheap effective HCQ when the gov't will pay for $3000 worthless Foo Chee juice?
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,102
    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    Never was about stopping cases

    One big mistake was this fixation on cases … it’s distorted what success looks like

    It wasn't a mistake
    And that’s why there is in part a lot of distrust in the government
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  • 46XiJCAB
    46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    I encourage people to ask their Doc what is their COVID protocol for treatment. I did. Basically go home, do the usual flu routine and if it gets bad, head to the hospital and they'll treat with their COVID protocol. I was dismayed to say the least. Why hasn't the CDC established guidelines for Primary Care? They have established guidelines for everything. No money for the hospitals if you're treated early and effectively.
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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,124 Standard Supporter
    Is it a call for genocide if there's a desire the entire Ivy League gets consumed in a massive tidal surge wiping out most of the eastern seaboard?



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  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,633 Standard Supporter
    46XiJCAB said:

    I encourage people to ask their Doc what is their COVID protocol for treatment. I did. Basically go home, do the usual flu routine and if it gets bad, head to the hospital and they'll treat with their COVID protocol. I was dismayed to say the least. Why hasn't the CDC established guidelines for Primary Care? They have established guidelines for everything. No money for the hospitals if you're treated early and effectively.

    Shows how cowed the supposed medical experts (MDs) dedicated to science and treatment are in a modern leftard environment. Assuming that the number of covid deaths is accurate (it isn't) literally a hundred thousand+ Americans are dead because of the protocol not to treat the chicom crud until you need to be hospitalized.
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  • jecornel
    jecornel Member Posts: 9,737
    People are left to searching out particular supplements to boost the immune system because people don't trust the medical system for proper treatment. Unless of course, you take the "silver bullet" jab. I believe even before covid 250,000 people die a year due to malpractice in the hospital. One life goal I have is to avoid the hospital as much humanely possible.

    And the government tells the vaccinated to live life but oh wait you can die. Many older vaccinated people are dying.
    https://nypost.com/2021/09/28/vaccinated-michigan-couple-die-of-covid-19-holding-hands/

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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,102
    jecornel said:

    People are left to searching out particular supplements to boost the immune system because people don't trust the medical system for proper treatment. Unless of course, you take the "silver bullet" jab. I believe even before covid 250,000 people die a year due to malpractice in the hospital. One life goal I have is to avoid the hospital as much humanely possible.

    And the government tells the vaccinated to live life but oh wait you can die. Many older vaccinated people are dying.
    https://nypost.com/2021/09/28/vaccinated-michigan-couple-die-of-covid-19-holding-hands/

    Yep

    Lots of people are all about how does one get the most medication in them as possible when needed … I know people when they get sick immediately go get treatment immediately vs taking the sickness for what it is and your body telling you that it needs some rest

    I leverage a single daily pill and I don’t like that I do that … but big picture I pretty much have no choice in the matter

    Less is more
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  • 46XiJCAB
    46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    PurpleThrobber said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    Never was about stopping cases

    One big mistake was this fixation on cases … it’s distorted what success looks like

    It wasn't a mistake
    And that’s why there is in part a lot of distrust in the government
    In part?

    I've not trusted the government since 1968 1963


    FTFY
    Visited this past April with the family. Had not stopped to see on previous trips but felt it was important for the kids to experience. Survived our weeklong whirlwind trip to Dallas/FW, Waco (shithole), SA and Houston. Did a lot of the things visitors do in each of these cities. Spent a lot of time around non-family members. We like Texas.

    Yup went directly into the den of the unvaxxed/unmasked and all I got was a damn cold. Even got tested for the Vid just to be sure. Negatory. Mask usage about 50/50. Didn't ask any strangers for their vaxxxx status. I'm not a Nazi.

    Apologies and condolences to anyone living in Waco poasting or just reading. You know I speak the truth.
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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,124 Standard Supporter
    46XiJCAB said:

    PurpleThrobber said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    Never was about stopping cases

    One big mistake was this fixation on cases … it’s distorted what success looks like

    It wasn't a mistake
    And that’s why there is in part a lot of distrust in the government
    In part?

    I've not trusted the government since 1968 1963


    FTFY
    Visited this past April with the family. Had not stopped to see on previous trips but felt it was important for the kids to experience. Survived our weeklong whirlwind trip to Dallas/FW, Waco (shithole), SA and Houston. Did a lot of the things visitors do in each of these cities. Spent a lot of time around non-family members. We like Texas.

    Yup went directly into the den of the unvaxxed/unmasked and all I got was a damn cold. Even got tested for the Vid just to be sure. Negatory. Mask usage about 50/50. Didn't ask any strangers for their vaxxxx status. I'm not a Nazi.

    Apologies and condolences to anyone living in Waco poasting or just reading. You know I speak the truth.
    Waco is a motherfucking dump. Drove however the fuck long from Austin to Chip and Joanna’s Magnolia place. Same crap one can buy at Target.

    That town makes Moses Lake look downright cosmopolitan.

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  • 46XiJCAB
    46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    PurpleThrobber said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    PurpleThrobber said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    Never was about stopping cases

    One big mistake was this fixation on cases … it’s distorted what success looks like

    It wasn't a mistake
    And that’s why there is in part a lot of distrust in the government
    In part?

    I've not trusted the government since 1968 1963


    FTFY
    Visited this past April with the family. Had not stopped to see on previous trips but felt it was important for the kids to experience. Survived our weeklong whirlwind trip to Dallas/FW, Waco (shithole), SA and Houston. Did a lot of the things visitors do in each of these cities. Spent a lot of time around non-family members. We like Texas.

    Yup went directly into the den of the unvaxxed/unmasked and all I got was a damn cold. Even got tested for the Vid just to be sure. Negatory. Mask usage about 50/50. Didn't ask any strangers for their vaxxxx status. I'm not a Nazi.

    Apologies and condolences to anyone living in Waco poasting or just reading. You know I speak the truth.
    Waco is a motherfucking dump. Drove however the fuck long from Austin to Chip and Joanna’s Magnolia place. Same crap one can buy at Target.

    That town makes Moses Lake look downright cosmopolitan.

    Only went there to visit a family member. Mag P was the obvious rendezvous. Fam got mad I called it a shithole. Would not apologize. Then fam member confirmed it was. Good times! Target price X5. That old joke, what's worse than spending a Friday night in Waco? Saturday. So true. Baylor is a dump.
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,102
    46XiJCAB said:

    PurpleThrobber said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    Never was about stopping cases

    One big mistake was this fixation on cases … it’s distorted what success looks like

    It wasn't a mistake
    And that’s why there is in part a lot of distrust in the government
    In part?

    I've not trusted the government since 1968 1963


    FTFY
    Visited this past April with the family. Had not stopped to see on previous trips but felt it was important for the kids to experience. Survived our weeklong whirlwind trip to Dallas/FW, Waco (shithole), SA and Houston. Did a lot of the things visitors do in each of these cities. Spent a lot of time around non-family members. We like Texas.

    Yup went directly into the den of the unvaxxed/unmasked and all I got was a damn cold. Even got tested for the Vid just to be sure. Negatory. Mask usage about 50/50. Didn't ask any strangers for their vaxxxx status. I'm not a Nazi.

    Apologies and condolences to anyone living in Waco poasting or just reading. You know I speak the truth.
    Waco fucking sucks … there’s no way to spin it otherwise
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  • UW_Doog_Bot
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    jecornel said:

    None of this was about public health. Simply a power and control grab.

    A close friend lost two people in their extended 70's with comorbidities. Hospital refused to treat with Vitamin C drip and Ivermectin based on internal protocol. Both died alone. Would not allow spouse visitation. The hospital did honor one request of the family and that was not to treat with Remdesivir which kills people. Fauci of course pushes Remdesivir.

    Here is a trial Remdisivir was used for Ebola. It was pulled halfway through the study.
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31022-9/fulltext

    Remdesivir study on Covid. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.15.20209817v1
    HCQ is in there but they later learned the dosing was incorrect. HCQ is an effective treatment.






    Isn't this what @BearsWiin was pushing?
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  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    edited September 2021
    Tequilla said:

    Kaepsknee said:

    Tequilla said:

    Never was about stopping cases

    One big mistake was this fixation on cases … it’s distorted what success looks like

    Please describe the success in the jab then. Because as one that chose to get it. I feel hoodwinked and bamboozled.
    The goal posts have been moved way too much … living on the West Coast anybody that thought things were opening up were foolish

    The reason to get vaccinated to me resides in the data around positive cases that head to hospitalizations, ICUs, and worse.

    Anybody that thinks that COVID is just going to vanish is likely fooling themselves
    There is little to no data on the amount of cases amongst the vaxxed and unvaxxed that DONT lead to Hospitalization. Only breakdowns of those that were hospitalized. And many if not most hospitals test any admitted patients. And if they are admitted for something unrelated to covid but test positive for covid, they are a Covid Hospitalization.

    Doesn’t it seem funny to you that we are able to ramrod a vaccine through but here 19 months later, there is few APPROVED effective therapies?

    When there is study after study that prove cheap off label therapies are incredibly effective in early stages?
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,102
    Kaepsknee said:

    Tequilla said:

    Kaepsknee said:

    Tequilla said:

    Never was about stopping cases

    One big mistake was this fixation on cases … it’s distorted what success looks like

    Please describe the success in the jab then. Because as one that chose to get it. I feel hoodwinked and bamboozled.
    The goal posts have been moved way too much … living on the West Coast anybody that thought things were opening up were foolish

    The reason to get vaccinated to me resides in the data around positive cases that head to hospitalizations, ICUs, and worse.

    Anybody that thinks that COVID is just going to vanish is likely fooling themselves
    There is little to no data on the amount of cases amongst the vaxxed and unvaxxed that DONT lead to Hospitalization. Only breakdowns of those that were hospitalized. And many if not most hospitals test any admitted patients. And if they are admitted for something unrelated to covid but test positive for covid, they are a Covid Hospitalization.

    Doesn’t it seem funny to you that we are able to ramrod a vaccine through but here 19 months later, there is few APPROVED effective therapies?

    When there is study after study that prove cheap off label therapies are incredibly effective in early stages?
    This is the stuff that bothers me but I realize I’m inclined to think logically and constantly ask why

    The genie is out of the bottle with COVID … it ain’t going to just flat vanish regardless of vaccination … there’s just not data out there that I’ve seen that suggests that

    So to me all the focus should be tied to 1) how do you minimize symptoms and 2) how do you treat bad symptoms to avoid the worst of the outcomes

    This to me in various forms is a substitution of the flu but more contagious with potentially worse outcomes … it just is what it is
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