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RaceBannon
RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,887 Founders Club
It's 2019 and our DAWGS just went 8-5 and Pete is 2-4 against Oregon and can't beat Cal and Stanford, the three teams we have to beat. Do you fire him?

OK Athletics Directors 35 votes

Yes
31%
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No
68%
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  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,227 Standard Supporter
    Yes
    Yes, I checked out on him the final two years. Did not have the killer instinct needed, played guys based on seniority over talent in several instances which cost them games, and you could see he was burned out. The legacy of Pete is highlighted by some funny gifs. Playoff loss to Bama was a fun year.
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,416 Founders Club
    Yes
    From afar I could tell he was burned out, (and I took some ridicule here for saying so). So if I was the AD I would have absolutely seen it, and I probably would have known it was time to move on while we still had momentum.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    No

    No, for 2 reasons:

    1) He's still won the Pac .333% of the time, so meeting Don James metric.

    2) The replacement is more likely to be a downgrade.

    See what 2020 looks like and reassess.

    Not to mention 3 years prior were 3 NY6 games including trip to CFP

    Your point 2 is spot on
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    No

    From afar I could tell he was burned out, (and I took some ridicule here for saying so). So if I was the AD I would have absolutely seen it, and I probably would have known it was time to move on while we still had momentum.

    Agree that the burnout was evident and definitely a discussion point

    Discussion point doesn’t = firing though
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,887 Founders Club
    Yes
    Found the fraud
  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,227 Standard Supporter
    Yes
    Tequilla said:

    No, for 2 reasons:

    1) He's still won the Pac .333% of the time, so meeting Don James metric.

    2) The replacement is more likely to be a downgrade.

    See what 2020 looks like and reassess.

    Not to mention 3 years prior were 3 NY6 games including trip to CFP

    Your point 2 is spot on
    Lost all of them. Downward trajectory his final two seasons. Do you wait until the ship has taken on so much water that it takes 5 years to bail out? Of course, we know that Jenn would never have fired Petersen unless he had 2-3 years of .500 or worse. They're all too chummy in the AD.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,887 Founders Club
    Yes

    Tequilla said:

    No, for 2 reasons:

    1) He's still won the Pac .333% of the time, so meeting Don James metric.

    2) The replacement is more likely to be a downgrade.

    See what 2020 looks like and reassess.

    Not to mention 3 years prior were 3 NY6 games including trip to CFP

    Your point 2 is spot on
    Lost all of them. Downward trajectory his final two seasons. Do you wait until the ship has taken on so much water that it takes 5 years to bail out? Of course, we know that Jenn would never have fired Petersen unless he had 2-3 years of .500 or worse. They're all too chummy in the AD.
    That's the argument Teq uses to fire Jimmy after 4 games


  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,227 Standard Supporter
    Yes

    Tequilla said:

    No, for 2 reasons:

    1) He's still won the Pac .333% of the time, so meeting Don James metric.

    2) The replacement is more likely to be a downgrade.

    See what 2020 looks like and reassess.

    Not to mention 3 years prior were 3 NY6 games including trip to CFP

    Your point 2 is spot on
    Lost all of them. Downward trajectory his final two seasons. Do you wait until the ship has taken on so much water that it takes 5 years to bail out? Of course, we know that Jenn would never have fired Petersen unless he had 2-3 years of .500 or worse. They're all too chummy in the AD.
    That's the argument Teq uses to fire Jimmy after 4 games


    Clearly Teq is racist.
  • Canadawg
    Canadawg Member Posts: 5,317
    No
    The hindsight psychological evaluation of CP is impressive. Maybe I just lost my screenshots of people saying he would be quitting soon
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,271 Founders Club
    No

    Tequilla said:

    No, for 2 reasons:

    1) He's still won the Pac .333% of the time, so meeting Don James metric.

    2) The replacement is more likely to be a downgrade.

    See what 2020 looks like and reassess.

    Not to mention 3 years prior were 3 NY6 games including trip to CFP

    Your point 2 is spot on
    Lost all of them. Downward trajectory his final two seasons. Do you wait until the ship has taken on so much water that it takes 5 years to bail out? Of course, we know that Jenn would never have fired Petersen unless he had 2-3 years of .500 or worse. They're all too chummy in the AD.
    That's the argument Teq uses to fire Jimmy after 4 games


    I'm very much mentally prepared to fire Jimmy after this season. But there remains the prickly matter of playing the actual games. And for better or worse, Jimmy and this band of lackluster assistants, have all the stars aligned to win the Pac- i.e., gritty QB, lots of NFL talents across the roster and Oregon at home.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,887 Founders Club
    edited August 2021
    Yes
    My reputation was assaulted here and that cannot stand

    It really isn't hindsight for me. Petersen pissed me off when he punted on 4th and 1 on the 40 against Oregon. Sure the three year run was nice if not quite as filling as we hoped but 2019 was a disaster. If people want to get on me about not being the fire the coach guy you have always loved then you have to answer why you didn't want Petersen fired with me.

    I've said or a year now that the best thing about Jimmy is that he isn't Petersen. Unknown better than known

    And easier to fire if or when he does fail

    The talking points are fine but assistants and recruiting and the opinions about them are just that - opinions. We can always do better and get better guys. Its really inexact out west.

    We are about to get some hard evidence. Play ball

    I hope. Delta Dawn
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,887 Founders Club
    Yes
    Swaye said:

    I pretty much want to fire every Coach we have no matter who they are in any year they do not win a NY6 game. Not kidding. Some people say I have unrealistic expectations. Those people are also known as losers. So fuck them. NOGAF what losers think.

    #stillaminionforlife

    #theminionhasbecometheteacher
  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    Yes
    You know what cures burnouts, is fucking winning. He was not winning
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,137
    No
    Somewhere along the line, success was considered a sure thing and progress would always be linear.

    It’s why I felt the, “It’s year 6” stuff was bullshit. If Pete had the heart, there was no reason he couldn’t reach new heights in future years. Not saying he would, but it was one shitty season. It wasn’t multiple shitty seasons.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,271 Founders Club
    No

    My reputation was assaulted here and that cannot stand

    It really isn't hindsight for me. Petersen pissed me off when he punted on 4th and 1 on the 40 against Oregon. Sure the three year run was nice if not quite as filling as we hoped but 2019 was a disaster. If people want to get on me about not being the fire the coach guy you have always loved then you have to answer why you didn't want Petersen fired with me.

    I've said or a year now that the best thing about Jimmy is that he isn't Petersen. Unknown better than known

    And easier to fire if or when he does fail

    The talking points are fine but assistants and recruiting and the opinions about them are just that - opinions. We can always do better and get better guys. Its really inexact out west.

    We are about to get some hard evidence. Play ball

    I hope. Delta Dawn

    I'm happy to be an ungrateful and disobedient minion on any number of issues. But I stand with Race on this one. Jimmy gets fired based on Wins and Losses, not sizzle and off-season natties.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,887 Founders Club
    Yes

    Somewhere along the line, success was considered a sure thing and progress would always be linear.

    It’s why I felt the, “It’s year 6” stuff was bullshit. If Pete had the heart, there was no reason he couldn’t reach new heights in future years. Not saying he would, but it was one shitty season. It wasn’t multiple shitty seasons.

    Most normal but great coaches ebb and flow a bit. That's behind the I would have fired Don James. Builds the program and wins the Rose Bowl in year three. Over the next 7 years two more Rose Bowls and an Orange Bowl and natty, allegedly

    85, 86, 87. and 88 especially blew chunks. 89 was disappointing but we could see it and it ended with a bowl win over Florida and the SEC SEC SEC

    I don't care. I was done with Petersen and how a fan feels about a coach matters

    And I really seriously would have fired James in 88
  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,679 Swaye's Wigwam
    I abstain. I can't remove hindsight from my decision process.

    I didn't and don't see 2019 as a disaster. It was a shitty season that pointed at some needed changes. I just thought, and think, that he needed to make them.

    He was unwilling, so he quit, therefore he should have been fired. Thing is, though, that I didn't know he was unwilling until he announced it.
  • PostGameOrangeSlices
    PostGameOrangeSlices Member Posts: 27,209
    No
    Anyone voting yes is doing it for message board street cred

    Which is fine, just admit it
  • Neighbor2972
    Neighbor2972 Member Posts: 4,330
    No
    Pete is a great program builder. His biggest weaknesses were his offensive coaching and his loyalty to his friends on the staff. If he was willing to turn over his offense to someone from outside his system, and let go the dead weight on staff we would have been in a great position.

    And I think he knew that's what he would have to do, and he didn't have it in him to make those hard decisions, so he quit. So its hard to say, but give me a new OC and lets see what happens.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,887 Founders Club
    Yes
    Petersen didn't really have a bad year at Boise until his last when he went 8-4 and left for UW
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,271 Founders Club
    No

    Anyone voting yes is doing it for message board street cred

    Which is fine, just admit it

    Lotta "we knew Pete was burned out" edge lords here.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    No

    Tequilla said:

    No, for 2 reasons:

    1) He's still won the Pac .333% of the time, so meeting Don James metric.

    2) The replacement is more likely to be a downgrade.

    See what 2020 looks like and reassess.

    Not to mention 3 years prior were 3 NY6 games including trip to CFP

    Your point 2 is spot on
    Lost all of them. Downward trajectory his final two seasons. Do you wait until the ship has taken on so much water that it takes 5 years to bail out? Of course, we know that Jenn would never have fired Petersen unless he had 2-3 years of .500 or worse. They're all too chummy in the AD.
    Let's be honest on his last 2 seasons here:

    2018: Won the P12 and lost in the Rose Bowl

    2019: 7-5

    Not sitting here and saying that losing all of the NY6/CFP games is a great thing ... but it's not a fireable offense

    By this logic Don James would have been fired by you multiple times and in particular somewhere between 1986 and 1988
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    No

    Tequilla said:

    No, for 2 reasons:

    1) He's still won the Pac .333% of the time, so meeting Don James metric.

    2) The replacement is more likely to be a downgrade.

    See what 2020 looks like and reassess.

    Not to mention 3 years prior were 3 NY6 games including trip to CFP

    Your point 2 is spot on
    Lost all of them. Downward trajectory his final two seasons. Do you wait until the ship has taken on so much water that it takes 5 years to bail out? Of course, we know that Jenn would never have fired Petersen unless he had 2-3 years of .500 or worse. They're all too chummy in the AD.
    That's the argument Teq uses to fire Jimmy after 4 games


    Find a single post where I've said that Jimmy should be fired after 4 games

    What I've said is the trajectory isn't good and he's making mistakes that are not indicative of a successful coach over the long term

    You can't fire someone until they've earned it ... and in fairness, Jimmy hasn't earned a firing at this point