Save the Pac?
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The az market is actually valuable. It’s a fast growing state with a decent population. It will be included in something going forward.Kingdome_Urinals said:
I'm absolutely with you on this one, basically. The Pac and B1G actually have a great shared history and have a lot of legacy resources that can be pooled to make a prestigious league together. There used to be this game called the..uh... Rose Bowl that was a huge national game and anchor tradition for the sport.Tequilla said:Something worth considering:
PAC/Big10 merger creates a 20 or 24 school collective ...
This gets broken up into 4 pods of 5 or 6 schools (I'd try to cap this at 20 schools and 4 pods of 5)
Pods A + B = West
Pods C + D = East
You play everybody in your pod each year
You rotate pod opponents every year so that you're guaranteed to play everybody 1x over a 3 year time horizon.
Conference record consists of 9 games ... everybody in the division plays the same 9 teams
Pods winners get seeded 1-4 based on records and move to a semi and final format with semi's at the top 2 records and the final rotating between West/East (i.e. Rose/Vegas/Indy
Teams 2-5 in each respective pod play a similar format except it's all played at home and 2nd week games are winners vs winners and losers vs losers
That covers 11 of 12 or 13 games (teams can decide how many they want to play ... remainder of games can be used to play out of conference games, rivalry games left over (i.e. Notre Dame, UW playing Wazzu, etc.)
Does it look like a NFL format ... unfortunately it does.
But on the other side, both the PAC and Big 10 whether they believe it or not have to do something drastic to combat the SEC. Reason being is that the SEC footprint dominates where the recruits are. So for these schools to be able to lure top tier talent, they need to be able to play big games consistently, do so on large stages, and be able to put items on the table that the SEC can't do.
However, take a look at Kliavkoff. Is this guy going to trim WSU, OSU, and the AZ schools as the new Pac-12 Prez?
The question is where leadership is going to come from. -
If the Oklahoma/tejas thinng goes through. west coast football is dead
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No it's not. Lol.FireCohen said:If the Oklahoma/tejas thinng goes through. west coast football is dead
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I feel like this is a LIPO reference…PostGameOrangeSlices said:
We will see how it plays out.Kingdome_Urinals said:
This cannot be chinned enough. The CFP and players' rights has completely fucked this incredible sport.1to392831weretaken said:
In my opinion, college football was the greatest sport ever. Takes arguably the most exciting and complex team sport ever created and displays it at the perfect level: A high enough level that you're still watching freaks be freaks but not such a high level that you might as well be watching robots play. In college football, there is still big money and pressure on the line, but not so much that conservatism reigns. Every NFL team looks exactly like every other NFL team, to the point where a player can be traded and be starting for the new team a week later. Most football innovations start at the high school or college levels, usually out of necessity, as the playing field can be so tilted. There are years where OSU (west) or WSU are legit good, and that's amazing! Rivalries are regional and accessible. Players stay on the same team throughout their career--they choose their team just like the fan does, so they're more relatable and likeable than a pro mercenary.RatherBeBrewing said:
The problem is that nearly all of these reasons that college football is great have either already been thrown in the trash or are about to be. The transfer portal has already brought free agency. (Hell, all the hand-wringing here over the total cuckery of wishing Oregon well in repping the north was closing the barn door after the horse was already out: Just the prior season, UW cried in a corner while watching Georgia fuck their girl, then took their sloppy seconds and let him start at quarterback. All for 8-5.) Now NIL is bringing the mercenary nature of the players into the light of day.
And this imbalance is tilting the playing field so far toward the haves that even the ingenuity and variety that used to keep the game interesting is no longer sufficient. You're not going to beat Alabama's 40 5-stars no matter how clever your scheme and no matter how much you care about the kids and develop them. Besides--you're just developing some portion of them so they can transfer to a lower school if they're impatient for playing time or a higher school if they were using you as a stepping stone to greater exposure in the SEC.
And then the final nail in the coffin: Traveling 3000 miles to take on a "conference rival," because that's all a "lowly" program like the fucking University of Washington can do to have a prayer in the future of keeping a top-100 kid who lives five miles from campus from losing 20 pounds and moving to Columbus, Ohio to be closer to home.
I didn't realize how close I was to the edge, but I'm right there with @MikeDamone and @TommySQC: I already don't watch the NFL, and I can not watch college football as well if it's just going to be another NFL only without the parity.
CFB at its best has always been about the everyday fan, located in every corner of the country. Not in blowing the 100-200 players who, at any given time in their teens and 20s', actually have an NFL future.
Bama was dominating even before players can get paid. Who knows, maybe the cash will bring more distractions? -
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I turned to my wife and said, “Thank God we have Jen Cohen to lead us through these times.”
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Well it's a good thing for Oregon Phil Knight has 40 of them to work with.whatshouldicareabout said:
Sorry Ducks, B1G won't accept any university with less than $1bn in endowmentdnc said:
Mike says it's happening but with Colorado instead of UWgreenblood said:I’d prefer UW, UO, USC, and UCLA just rush to the Big 10.
Texas A&M, Okie St, Nebraska, and TCU aren’t saving this conference.
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10 years ago the thought was there would be 4 16 team superconferences and either the Pac would get OU/Texas or the Big12 would take SC/UCLA, and the winner of that was the 4th along with SEC/Big10/ACC
With SEC going Nuclear and grabbing them, at best you will have three with now both the Remaining B12 and P12 sol.
Now that it's come out SEC and OU/Texas have been talking between 6 months and year, it makes much more sense why Playoffs suddenly went from 4 to 12 teams (led in large part by SEC commish Mike Sankey).
A simple but telling way you will see that the SEC just cares more..... In all the different realignment scenarios for the Pac/B12 it's based on geography. In the SEC however they decide to group teams (quads/pods/divisions/etc) it will be done to spread out the dreck evenly so that they can maximize their chances to have as many teams as possible with high win totals and hence get in the playoffs. In essence you won't see Kentucky and Vandy in the same 4 team pod. -
CFP committee hasn't voted on 12 teams yet. Be interesting to see how they are digesting the recent info. They should torpedo the whole thing.godawgst said:10 years ago the thought was there would be 4 16 team superconferences and either the Pac would get OU/Texas or the Big12 would take SC/UCLA, and the winner of that was the 4th along with SEC/Big10/ACC
With SEC going Nuclear and grabbing them, at best you will have three with now both the Remaining B12 and P12 sol.
Now that it's come out SEC and OU/Texas have been talking between 6 months and year, it makes much more sense why Playoffs suddenly went from 4 to 12 teams (led in large part by SEC commish Mike Sankey).
A simple but telling way you will see that the SEC just cares more..... In all the different realignment scenarios for the Pac/B12 it's based on geography. In the SEC however they decide to group teams (quads/pods/divisions/etc) it will be done to spread out the dreck evenly so that they can maximize their chances to have as many teams as possible with high win totals and hence get in the playoffs. In essence you won't see Kentucky and Vandy in the same 4 team pod. -
It’s really the only bargaining chip that they have remainingKingdome_Urinals said:
CFP committee hasn't voted on 12 teams yet. Be interesting to see how they are digesting the recent info. They should torpedo the whole thing.godawgst said:10 years ago the thought was there would be 4 16 team superconferences and either the Pac would get OU/Texas or the Big12 would take SC/UCLA, and the winner of that was the 4th along with SEC/Big10/ACC
With SEC going Nuclear and grabbing them, at best you will have three with now both the Remaining B12 and P12 sol.
Now that it's come out SEC and OU/Texas have been talking between 6 months and year, it makes much more sense why Playoffs suddenly went from 4 to 12 teams (led in large part by SEC commish Mike Sankey).
A simple but telling way you will see that the SEC just cares more..... In all the different realignment scenarios for the Pac/B12 it's based on geography. In the SEC however they decide to group teams (quads/pods/divisions/etc) it will be done to spread out the dreck evenly so that they can maximize their chances to have as many teams as possible with high win totals and hence get in the playoffs. In essence you won't see Kentucky and Vandy in the same 4 team pod.
