Question of the day

puppylove_sugarsteel said:

PurpleJ said:

Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

PurpleJ said:

Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

PurpleJ said:

Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

but..but ESPN said the SEC is a NFL developmental league! It's so special! As if the rest of D1a isn't the same f****** thing

Why does the SEC bother you so much? Jealous?

They don't really play anybody out of conference, they play 8 games, they get an unbalanced amount of media hype etc. If everyone was held to the same standard it would be different. You've been on here on a regular basis. Surely you've read Puppy's and my reasoning.

They don't really play anyone out of conference, huh? Have you seen our non-conference schedule? We are in no position to talk, and everyone schedules cupcakes.

Tennessee plays at Oklahoma this year, South Carolina goes to Clemson, Georgia gets Clemson at home, LSU plays Wisconsin, Auburn goes to K State, I think Florida plays FSU every year.

Last year Florida played FSU and at Miami, Georgia went to Clemson, South Carolina hosted Clemson and went to UCF, LSU played TCU at a neutral site, Tennessee went to Oregon, Ole Miss went to Texas.

Then there's the fact that they won 7 BCS titles in a row, with 9 total. Guess how many the other conferences have combined? FIVE. The next best conferences, Big 12 and ACC, only have TWO. The SEC also has the best winning percentage out of all the major conferences in BCS bowls.

The hype is justified, and frankly, I'm sick and tired of hearing you and plss doog it up about it.

It says a lot that you are siding with plss on a football argument. Think about that for a bit.

Wow, six games out of 48? How many times do they play shitshows like McNeese St, Troy, Furman, Citadel, and other directional schools Sherlock? Great case you have there. They were playing shit o.o.c. schedules for a long time, started to get away with it after winning a couple NCs, and now (sadly) other conferences followed, and it's dragged down college football in the process. You need to go back beyond the late 2000s. I'm guessing you're one of the types who started following college football as a sophomore in college or something. There's nothing wrong with that, but this goes back a while.

I've never said they aren't good, but they are overrated. When you start out with seven or eight teams in the top 25, and 3-5 in the top 12, it's way easier to remain highly ranked.

Here's a scenario:

South Carolina starts out ranked 8th, goes 5-0, climbs up to 3rd, then loses a close one at no. 6 LSU. Media morons harp about how they shouldn't even drop a spot because the SEC is almost as good as the Jaguars etc., you're going to get beat up playing each other...maybe they should drop one spot, or two, but that's it! They're still in the NC hunt! They only lost one game! It's the SEC! What I wrote is only a slight embellishment. Listen to some of these morons sometime.

Oh for fuck's sake. I laid out the facts for you. You can go look up who's put more players into the NFL while you're at it. They have earned that media hype 100%. Head and shoulders above the rest of the nation over the last 15 years or so. Yeah, the media goes a bit overboard. Especially ESPN. But that doesn't change the facts and the justification for calling the SEC the best conference.

If I had a dime for every time a fucktard Pac-Twoolve fan spewed hatred for the SEC, I'd be a millionaire. It's pretty fucking stupid to argue that they don't play anyone, when they dominate in BCS bowls and title games. "They played a weak OOC schedule to get there, so they didn't deserve to be in the national title games that they won!!!!1" Great logic there. Overrated my ass!

Purple you are fucking ignant . Until the SEC proves it out of conference like the pac12, big10 and big12 does you can swallow the amount of players sent to the NFL. 4 teams send the majority of players. LSU sent 9 bitch, Alabama similar bla bla. Alabama is playing SC, LSU the badgers. Keep scheduling like that AND winning...and I'll respect the SEC. Oklahoma showed just how good all that talent at Alabama was. Fuck your dumbass painfully j!

They proved it out of conference when it counts.

BCS Title Game Records:
SEC 9-2 (one of those losses was the Bama/LSU game)
Big 12: 2-5
ACC: 2-2
Big East: 1-2
Big 10: 1-2
Pac-12: 1*-2 (would be 2-2 if not for USC vacating the 2005 title)

Overall BCS Bowl Game Records:
SEC: 17-10 (63%)
Pac-12: 12-8 (60%) - take out USC and it's 7-7 (50%)
Big East: 8-7 (53.3%)
Big 10: 13-15 (46.4%)
Big 12: 10-12 (45.5%)
ACC: 5-13 (27.8%)

The only stats that matter are championships and major bowl wins. It's not even close.

PurpleJ said:

Let's look at the OOC schedules of teams that played the SEC in the title game. Shall we?

2013 FSU: @Pitt, Nevada, Bethune-Cookman, Florida (SEC teams don't play anyone, though)
2012 Notre Dame: Independent school. Argument isn't valid here. Definitely earned their spot, but got raped by Bama.
2011: The infamous all-SEC title game... Bama played at Penn St. and LSU beat Oregon OOC
2010 Oregon: New Mexico, @Tennessee (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), Portland St.
2009 Texas: Louisiana-Monroe, @Wyoming, UTEP, Central Florida
2008: Chattanooga, Cincinnati, UW (0-12 baby!!!), TCU
2007 Ohio St: Youngstown St. Akron, @Washington , Kent St.
2006 Ohio St: Northern Illinois, @Texas, Cincinnati, Bowling Green
2003 Oklahoma: North Texas, @Alabama (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), UCLA
1998 FSU: Texas A/M, USC, @Miami, Florida (one loss team, but also played the toughest schedule on this list)

As you can see, most of the teams that "earned" their trip to the title game versus SEC opponents played cupcake schedules OOC, save for 1998 FSU, 2003 Oklahoma, and Notre Dame in 2012.

You're wasting your time with PLSS and Bill. I laid out last years OOC schedules and showed that the SEC played as tough or tougher of a schedule as anyone. They'll just ignore facts.

PLSS I understand. I don't know why Bill is such a retard about it though.

allpurpleallgold said:

PurpleJ said:

Let's look at the OOC schedules of teams that played the SEC in the title game. Shall we?

2013 FSU: @Pitt, Nevada, Bethune-Cookman, Florida (SEC teams don't play anyone, though)
2012 Notre Dame: Independent school. Argument isn't valid here. Definitely earned their spot, but got raped by Bama.
2011: The infamous all-SEC title game... Bama played at Penn St. and LSU beat Oregon OOC
2010 Oregon: New Mexico, @Tennessee (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), Portland St.
2009 Texas: Louisiana-Monroe, @Wyoming, UTEP, Central Florida
2008: Chattanooga, Cincinnati, UW (0-12 baby!!!), TCU
2007 Ohio St: Youngstown St. Akron, @Washington , Kent St.
2006 Ohio St: Northern Illinois, @Texas, Cincinnati, Bowling Green
2003 Oklahoma: North Texas, @Alabama (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), UCLA
1998 FSU: Texas A/M, USC, @Miami, Florida (one loss team, but also played the toughest schedule on this list)

As you can see, most of the teams that "earned" their trip to the title game versus SEC opponents played cupcake schedules OOC, save for 1998 FSU, 2003 Oklahoma, and Notre Dame in 2012.

You're wasting your time with PLSS and Bill. I laid out last years OOC schedules and showed that the SEC played as tough or tougher of a schedule as anyone. They'll just ignore facts.

PLSS I understand. I don't know why Bill is such a retard about it though.

That's one fucking year. You're completely missing the long term trend. This didn't start in 2012. Do I need to dredge out the OOC schedules from 2006, 2007, 2008 etc.? Like Puppy said, if every conference was treated equally every year, I wouldn't be bitching about it. That hasn't been the case though.

Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

allpurpleallgold said:

PurpleJ said:

Let's look at the OOC schedules of teams that played the SEC in the title game. Shall we?

2013 FSU: @Pitt, Nevada, Bethune-Cookman, Florida (SEC teams don't play anyone, though)
2012 Notre Dame: Independent school. Argument isn't valid here. Definitely earned their spot, but got raped by Bama.
2011: The infamous all-SEC title game... Bama played at Penn St. and LSU beat Oregon OOC
2010 Oregon: New Mexico, @Tennessee (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), Portland St.
2009 Texas: Louisiana-Monroe, @Wyoming, UTEP, Central Florida
2008: Chattanooga, Cincinnati, UW (0-12 baby!!!), TCU
2007 Ohio St: Youngstown St. Akron, @Washington , Kent St.
2006 Ohio St: Northern Illinois, @Texas, Cincinnati, Bowling Green
2003 Oklahoma: North Texas, @Alabama (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), UCLA
1998 FSU: Texas A/M, USC, @Miami, Florida (one loss team, but also played the toughest schedule on this list)

As you can see, most of the teams that "earned" their trip to the title game versus SEC opponents played cupcake schedules OOC, save for 1998 FSU, 2003 Oklahoma, and Notre Dame in 2012.

You're wasting your time with PLSS and Bill. I laid out last years OOC schedules and showed that the SEC played as tough or tougher of a schedule as anyone. They'll just ignore facts.

PLSS I understand. I don't know why Bill is such a retard about it though.

That's one fucking year. You're completely missing the long term trend. This didn't start in 2012. Do I need to dredge out the OOC schedules from 2006, 2007, 2008 etc.? Like Puppy said, if every conference was treated equally every year, I wouldn't be bitching about it. That hasn't been the case though.

Hey dumbfuck... Are you gonna give the ACC shit? Oh wait, they aren't winning championships. So you can't really be jealous of them like the SEC.

sports.yahoo.com/news/power-conference-schools-schedule-more-173800620--ncaaf.html

All of the conferences have been doing it for a while, save for the Pac. We came on late.

I also find it interesting how the SEC played more power conference OOC opponents than the Big 12, Big 10 and Pac 12 over the period between 2007-2012.

FCS opponents
ACC: 13 in 2012, 13 in 2011, 13 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 74.
SEC: 15 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 11 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 9 in 2007, for a total of 67.
Big Ten: 8 in 2012, 10 in 2011, 10 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 54.
Big 12: 9 in 2012, 6 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 10 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 50.
Big East: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 7 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 48.
Pac-12: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 7 in 2010, 4 in 2009, 2 in 2008 and 2 in 2007, for a total of 32.
National totals: 63 in 2012, 57 in 2011, 57 in 2010, 56 in 2009, 51 in 2008 and 41 in 2007.

Big Six nonconference opponents
ACC: 23 in 2012, 20 in 2011, 19 in 2010, 20 in 2009, 23 in 2008 and 22 in 2007, for a total of 127.
Big East: 16 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 15 in 2010, 16 in 2009, 16 in 2008 and 15 in 2007, for a total of 94.
SEC: 14 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 16 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 14 in 2007, for a total of 85.
Big Ten: 15 in 2012, 14 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 13 in 2008 and 13 in 2007, for a total of 81.
Pac-12: 11 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 14 in 2010, 15 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 81.
Big 12: 9 in 2012, 9 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 67.
National totals: 88 in 2012, 87 in 2011, 88 in 2010, 90 in 2009, 96 in 2008 and 86 in 2007.


Yeah, they don't play anyone.

PurpleJ said:

Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

allpurpleallgold said:

PurpleJ said:

Let's look at the OOC schedules of teams that played the SEC in the title game. Shall we?

2013 FSU: @Pitt, Nevada, Bethune-Cookman, Florida (SEC teams don't play anyone, though)
2012 Notre Dame: Independent school. Argument isn't valid here. Definitely earned their spot, but got raped by Bama.
2011: The infamous all-SEC title game... Bama played at Penn St. and LSU beat Oregon OOC
2010 Oregon: New Mexico, @Tennessee (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), Portland St.
2009 Texas: Louisiana-Monroe, @Wyoming, UTEP, Central Florida
2008: Chattanooga, Cincinnati, UW (0-12 baby!!!), TCU
2007 Ohio St: Youngstown St. Akron, @Washington , Kent St.
2006 Ohio St: Northern Illinois, @Texas, Cincinnati, Bowling Green
2003 Oklahoma: North Texas, @Alabama (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), UCLA
1998 FSU: Texas A/M, USC, @Miami, Florida (one loss team, but also played the toughest schedule on this list)

As you can see, most of the teams that "earned" their trip to the title game versus SEC opponents played cupcake schedules OOC, save for 1998 FSU, 2003 Oklahoma, and Notre Dame in 2012.

You're wasting your time with PLSS and Bill. I laid out last years OOC schedules and showed that the SEC played as tough or tougher of a schedule as anyone. They'll just ignore facts.

PLSS I understand. I don't know why Bill is such a retard about it though.

That's one fucking year. You're completely missing the long term trend. This didn't start in 2012. Do I need to dredge out the OOC schedules from 2006, 2007, 2008 etc.? Like Puppy said, if every conference was treated equally every year, I wouldn't be bitching about it. That hasn't been the case though.

Hey dumbfuck... Are you gonna give the ACC shit? Oh wait, they aren't winning championships. So you can't really be jealous of them like the SEC.

sports.yahoo.com/news/power-conference-schools-schedule-more-173800620--ncaaf.html

All of the conferences have been doing it for a while, save for the Pac. We came on late.

I also find it interesting how the SEC played more power conference OOC opponents than the Big 12, Big 10 and Pac 12 over the period between 2007-2012.

FCS opponents
ACC: 13 in 2012, 13 in 2011, 13 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 74.
SEC: 15 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 11 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 9 in 2007, for a total of 67.
Big Ten: 8 in 2012, 10 in 2011, 10 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 54.
Big 12: 9 in 2012, 6 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 10 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 50.
Big East: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 7 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 48.
Pac-12: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 7 in 2010, 4 in 2009, 2 in 2008 and 2 in 2007, for a total of 32.
National totals: 63 in 2012, 57 in 2011, 57 in 2010, 56 in 2009, 51 in 2008 and 41 in 2007.

Big Six nonconference opponents
ACC: 23 in 2012, 20 in 2011, 19 in 2010, 20 in 2009, 23 in 2008 and 22 in 2007, for a total of 127.
Big East: 16 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 15 in 2010, 16 in 2009, 16 in 2008 and 15 in 2007, for a total of 94.
SEC: 14 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 16 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 14 in 2007, for a total of 85.
Big Ten: 15 in 2012, 14 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 13 in 2008 and 13 in 2007, for a total of 81.
Pac-12: 11 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 14 in 2010, 15 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 81.
Big 12: 9 in 2012, 9 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 67.
National totals: 88 in 2012, 87 in 2011, 88 in 2010, 90 in 2009, 96 in 2008 and 86 in 2007.


Yeah, they don't play anyone.

In defense of the SEC haters, this data actually helps their argument, at least vis a vis the Pac12. Yes, the Pac played four less power opponents in those six cumulative years, but that's out of a significantly smaller pool of non conference games. The SEC had two more teams than the Pac the majority of those seasons (all but one IIRC) and plays four non conference games versus the Pac's three. So if the SEC played 85 games in that period, that's roughly 1.07 power conference non conference games per team per season, or about 26.5% of their non conference games.

The Pac's 81 non conference games with power conference opponents, OTOH, breaks down to roughly 1.3 per team per season. And the 81 was out of roughly 246 non conference games, for a rate of 32.9% of their games with power conference foes.

Whereas I was inclined to agree with APAG and yourself before this debate, your numbers actually have me leaning slightly more towards Bill's way of thinking. Good research.

dnc said:

PurpleJ said:

Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

allpurpleallgold said:

PurpleJ said:

Let's look at the OOC schedules of teams that played the SEC in the title game. Shall we?

2013 FSU: @Pitt, Nevada, Bethune-Cookman, Florida (SEC teams don't play anyone, though)
2012 Notre Dame: Independent school. Argument isn't valid here. Definitely earned their spot, but got raped by Bama.
2011: The infamous all-SEC title game... Bama played at Penn St. and LSU beat Oregon OOC
2010 Oregon: New Mexico, @Tennessee (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), Portland St.
2009 Texas: Louisiana-Monroe, @Wyoming, UTEP, Central Florida
2008: Chattanooga, Cincinnati, UW (0-12 baby!!!), TCU
2007 Ohio St: Youngstown St. Akron, @Washington , Kent St.
2006 Ohio St: Northern Illinois, @Texas, Cincinnati, Bowling Green
2003 Oklahoma: North Texas, @Alabama (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), UCLA
1998 FSU: Texas A/M, USC, @Miami, Florida (one loss team, but also played the toughest schedule on this list)

As you can see, most of the teams that "earned" their trip to the title game versus SEC opponents played cupcake schedules OOC, save for 1998 FSU, 2003 Oklahoma, and Notre Dame in 2012.

You're wasting your time with PLSS and Bill. I laid out last years OOC schedules and showed that the SEC played as tough or tougher of a schedule as anyone. They'll just ignore facts.

PLSS I understand. I don't know why Bill is such a retard about it though.

That's one fucking year. You're completely missing the long term trend. This didn't start in 2012. Do I need to dredge out the OOC schedules from 2006, 2007, 2008 etc.? Like Puppy said, if every conference was treated equally every year, I wouldn't be bitching about it. That hasn't been the case though.

Hey dumbfuck... Are you gonna give the ACC shit? Oh wait, they aren't winning championships. So you can't really be jealous of them like the SEC.

sports.yahoo.com/news/power-conference-schools-schedule-more-173800620--ncaaf.html

All of the conferences have been doing it for a while, save for the Pac. We came on late.

I also find it interesting how the SEC played more power conference OOC opponents than the Big 12, Big 10 and Pac 12 over the period between 2007-2012.

FCS opponents
ACC: 13 in 2012, 13 in 2011, 13 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 74.
SEC: 15 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 11 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 9 in 2007, for a total of 67.
Big Ten: 8 in 2012, 10 in 2011, 10 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 54.
Big 12: 9 in 2012, 6 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 10 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 50.
Big East: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 7 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 48.
Pac-12: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 7 in 2010, 4 in 2009, 2 in 2008 and 2 in 2007, for a total of 32.
National totals: 63 in 2012, 57 in 2011, 57 in 2010, 56 in 2009, 51 in 2008 and 41 in 2007.

Big Six nonconference opponents
ACC: 23 in 2012, 20 in 2011, 19 in 2010, 20 in 2009, 23 in 2008 and 22 in 2007, for a total of 127.
Big East: 16 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 15 in 2010, 16 in 2009, 16 in 2008 and 15 in 2007, for a total of 94.
SEC: 14 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 16 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 14 in 2007, for a total of 85.
Big Ten: 15 in 2012, 14 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 13 in 2008 and 13 in 2007, for a total of 81.
Pac-12: 11 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 14 in 2010, 15 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 81.
Big 12: 9 in 2012, 9 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 67.
National totals: 88 in 2012, 87 in 2011, 88 in 2010, 90 in 2009, 96 in 2008 and 86 in 2007.


Yeah, they don't play anyone.

In defense of the SEC haters, this data actually helps their argument, at least vis a vis the Pac12. Yes, the Pac played four less power opponents in those six cumulative years, but that's out of a significantly smaller pool of non conference games. The SEC had two more teams than the Pac the majority of those seasons (all but one IIRC) and plays four non conference games versus the Pac's three. So if the SEC played 85 games in that period, that's roughly 1.07 power conference non conference games per team per season, or about 26.5% of their non conference games.

The Pac's 81 non conference games with power conference opponents, OTOH, breaks down to roughly 1.3 per team per season. And the 81 was out of roughly 246 non conference games, for a rate of 32.9% of their games with power conference foes.

Whereas I was inclined to agree with APAG and yourself before this debate, your numbers actually have me leaning slightly more towards Bill's way of thinking. Good research.

Respond to my post regarding BCS records, and then pop off!

PurpleJ said:

Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

allpurpleallgold said:

PurpleJ said:

Let's look at the OOC schedules of teams that played the SEC in the title game. Shall we?

2013 FSU: @Pitt, Nevada, Bethune-Cookman, Florida (SEC teams don't play anyone, though)
2012 Notre Dame: Independent school. Argument isn't valid here. Definitely earned their spot, but got raped by Bama.
2011: The infamous all-SEC title game... Bama played at Penn St. and LSU beat Oregon OOC
2010 Oregon: New Mexico, @Tennessee (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), Portland St.
2009 Texas: Louisiana-Monroe, @Wyoming, UTEP, Central Florida
2008: Chattanooga, Cincinnati, UW (0-12 baby!!!), TCU
2007 Ohio St: Youngstown St. Akron, @Washington , Kent St.
2006 Ohio St: Northern Illinois, @Texas, Cincinnati, Bowling Green
2003 Oklahoma: North Texas, @Alabama (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), UCLA
1998 FSU: Texas A/M, USC, @Miami, Florida (one loss team, but also played the toughest schedule on this list)

As you can see, most of the teams that "earned" their trip to the title game versus SEC opponents played cupcake schedules OOC, save for 1998 FSU, 2003 Oklahoma, and Notre Dame in 2012.

You're wasting your time with PLSS and Bill. I laid out last years OOC schedules and showed that the SEC played as tough or tougher of a schedule as anyone. They'll just ignore facts.

PLSS I understand. I don't know why Bill is such a retard about it though.

That's one fucking year. You're completely missing the long term trend. This didn't start in 2012. Do I need to dredge out the OOC schedules from 2006, 2007, 2008 etc.? Like Puppy said, if every conference was treated equally every year, I wouldn't be bitching about it. That hasn't been the case though.

Hey dumbfuck... Are you gonna give the ACC shit? Oh wait, they aren't winning championships. So you can't really be jealous of them like the SEC.

sports.yahoo.com/news/power-conference-schools-schedule-more-173800620--ncaaf.html

All of the conferences have been doing it for a while, save for the Pac. We came on late.

I also find it interesting how the SEC played more power conference OOC opponents than the Big 12, Big 10 and Pac 12 over the period between 2007-2012.

FCS opponents
ACC: 13 in 2012, 13 in 2011, 13 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 74.
SEC: 15 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 11 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 9 in 2007, for a total of 67.
Big Ten: 8 in 2012, 10 in 2011, 10 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 54.
Big 12: 9 in 2012, 6 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 10 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 50.
Big East: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 7 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 48.
Pac-12: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 7 in 2010, 4 in 2009, 2 in 2008 and 2 in 2007, for a total of 32.
National totals: 63 in 2012, 57 in 2011, 57 in 2010, 56 in 2009, 51 in 2008 and 41 in 2007.

Big Six nonconference opponents
ACC: 23 in 2012, 20 in 2011, 19 in 2010, 20 in 2009, 23 in 2008 and 22 in 2007, for a total of 127.
Big East: 16 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 15 in 2010, 16 in 2009, 16 in 2008 and 15 in 2007, for a total of 94.
SEC: 14 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 16 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 14 in 2007, for a total of 85.
Big Ten: 15 in 2012, 14 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 13 in 2008 and 13 in 2007, for a total of 81.
Pac-12: 11 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 14 in 2010, 15 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 81.
Big 12: 9 in 2012, 9 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 67.
National totals: 88 in 2012, 87 in 2011, 88 in 2010, 90 in 2009, 96 in 2008 and 86 in 2007.


Yeah, they don't play anyone.

LOL, you're ignoring the fact they have more teams and play more out of conference games. Try again.

Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

PurpleJ said:

Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

allpurpleallgold said:

PurpleJ said:

Let's look at the OOC schedules of teams that played the SEC in the title game. Shall we?

2013 FSU: @Pitt, Nevada, Bethune-Cookman, Florida (SEC teams don't play anyone, though)
2012 Notre Dame: Independent school. Argument isn't valid here. Definitely earned their spot, but got raped by Bama.
2011: The infamous all-SEC title game... Bama played at Penn St. and LSU beat Oregon OOC
2010 Oregon: New Mexico, @Tennessee (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), Portland St.
2009 Texas: Louisiana-Monroe, @Wyoming, UTEP, Central Florida
2008: Chattanooga, Cincinnati, UW (0-12 baby!!!), TCU
2007 Ohio St: Youngstown St. Akron, @Washington , Kent St.
2006 Ohio St: Northern Illinois, @Texas, Cincinnati, Bowling Green
2003 Oklahoma: North Texas, @Alabama (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), UCLA
1998 FSU: Texas A/M, USC, @Miami, Florida (one loss team, but also played the toughest schedule on this list)

As you can see, most of the teams that "earned" their trip to the title game versus SEC opponents played cupcake schedules OOC, save for 1998 FSU, 2003 Oklahoma, and Notre Dame in 2012.

You're wasting your time with PLSS and Bill. I laid out last years OOC schedules and showed that the SEC played as tough or tougher of a schedule as anyone. They'll just ignore facts.

PLSS I understand. I don't know why Bill is such a retard about it though.

That's one fucking year. You're completely missing the long term trend. This didn't start in 2012. Do I need to dredge out the OOC schedules from 2006, 2007, 2008 etc.? Like Puppy said, if every conference was treated equally every year, I wouldn't be bitching about it. That hasn't been the case though.

Hey dumbfuck... Are you gonna give the ACC shit? Oh wait, they aren't winning championships. So you can't really be jealous of them like the SEC.

sports.yahoo.com/news/power-conference-schools-schedule-more-173800620--ncaaf.html

All of the conferences have been doing it for a while, save for the Pac. We came on late.

I also find it interesting how the SEC played more power conference OOC opponents than the Big 12, Big 10 and Pac 12 over the period between 2007-2012.

FCS opponents
ACC: 13 in 2012, 13 in 2011, 13 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 74.
SEC: 15 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 11 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 9 in 2007, for a total of 67.
Big Ten: 8 in 2012, 10 in 2011, 10 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 54.
Big 12: 9 in 2012, 6 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 10 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 50.
Big East: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 7 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 48.
Pac-12: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 7 in 2010, 4 in 2009, 2 in 2008 and 2 in 2007, for a total of 32.
National totals: 63 in 2012, 57 in 2011, 57 in 2010, 56 in 2009, 51 in 2008 and 41 in 2007.

Big Six nonconference opponents
ACC: 23 in 2012, 20 in 2011, 19 in 2010, 20 in 2009, 23 in 2008 and 22 in 2007, for a total of 127.
Big East: 16 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 15 in 2010, 16 in 2009, 16 in 2008 and 15 in 2007, for a total of 94.
SEC: 14 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 16 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 14 in 2007, for a total of 85.
Big Ten: 15 in 2012, 14 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 13 in 2008 and 13 in 2007, for a total of 81.
Pac-12: 11 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 14 in 2010, 15 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 81.
Big 12: 9 in 2012, 9 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 67.
National totals: 88 in 2012, 87 in 2011, 88 in 2010, 90 in 2009, 96 in 2008 and 86 in 2007.


Yeah, they don't play anyone.

LOL, you're ignoring the fact they have more teams and play more out of conference games. Try again.

You could make the same argument for the amount of FCS games they play. More OOC games means they play less FCS teams per school.

puppylove_sugarsteel said:

Fuck your tide, they have 12 returning starters, a 6-5 statue in Cocker who hasn't tickled a centers balls and everyone (ESPN, the owner of the college football ripoff) is projecting them #1. Don't let Georgia, SC or Auburn get in the way.

Nobody is getting out of the pac12 alive (Unless your Oregon with a Nike schedule). Someone will get out of the SEC undefeated because it's only 6-deep. Then a second SEC team will get in over a 1 - loss pac12 team because of the ESPN lobby. Just watch. Again, fuck your tide!

My Crimson Tide have 3 of the last 5 national championships. Doog.

allpurpleallgold said:

dnc said:

PurpleJ said:

Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

allpurpleallgold said:

PurpleJ said:

Let's look at the OOC schedules of teams that played the SEC in the title game. Shall we?

2013 FSU: @Pitt, Nevada, Bethune-Cookman, Florida (SEC teams don't play anyone, though)
2012 Notre Dame: Independent school. Argument isn't valid here. Definitely earned their spot, but got raped by Bama.
2011: The infamous all-SEC title game... Bama played at Penn St. and LSU beat Oregon OOC
2010 Oregon: New Mexico, @Tennessee (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), Portland St.
2009 Texas: Louisiana-Monroe, @Wyoming, UTEP, Central Florida
2008: Chattanooga, Cincinnati, UW (0-12 baby!!!), TCU
2007 Ohio St: Youngstown St. Akron, @Washington , Kent St.
2006 Ohio St: Northern Illinois, @Texas, Cincinnati, Bowling Green
2003 Oklahoma: North Texas, @Alabama (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), UCLA
1998 FSU: Texas A/M, USC, @Miami, Florida (one loss team, but also played the toughest schedule on this list)

As you can see, most of the teams that "earned" their trip to the title game versus SEC opponents played cupcake schedules OOC, save for 1998 FSU, 2003 Oklahoma, and Notre Dame in 2012.

You're wasting your time with PLSS and Bill. I laid out last years OOC schedules and showed that the SEC played as tough or tougher of a schedule as anyone. They'll just ignore facts.

PLSS I understand. I don't know why Bill is such a retard about it though.

That's one fucking year. You're completely missing the long term trend. This didn't start in 2012. Do I need to dredge out the OOC schedules from 2006, 2007, 2008 etc.? Like Puppy said, if every conference was treated equally every year, I wouldn't be bitching about it. That hasn't been the case though.

Hey dumbfuck... Are you gonna give the ACC shit? Oh wait, they aren't winning championships. So you can't really be jealous of them like the SEC.

sports.yahoo.com/news/power-conference-schools-schedule-more-173800620--ncaaf.html

All of the conferences have been doing it for a while, save for the Pac. We came on late.

I also find it interesting how the SEC played more power conference OOC opponents than the Big 12, Big 10 and Pac 12 over the period between 2007-2012.

FCS opponents
ACC: 13 in 2012, 13 in 2011, 13 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 74.
SEC: 15 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 11 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 9 in 2007, for a total of 67.
Big Ten: 8 in 2012, 10 in 2011, 10 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 54.
Big 12: 9 in 2012, 6 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 10 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 50.
Big East: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 7 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 48.
Pac-12: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 7 in 2010, 4 in 2009, 2 in 2008 and 2 in 2007, for a total of 32.
National totals: 63 in 2012, 57 in 2011, 57 in 2010, 56 in 2009, 51 in 2008 and 41 in 2007.

Big Six nonconference opponents
ACC: 23 in 2012, 20 in 2011, 19 in 2010, 20 in 2009, 23 in 2008 and 22 in 2007, for a total of 127.
Big East: 16 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 15 in 2010, 16 in 2009, 16 in 2008 and 15 in 2007, for a total of 94.
SEC: 14 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 16 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 14 in 2007, for a total of 85.
Big Ten: 15 in 2012, 14 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 13 in 2008 and 13 in 2007, for a total of 81.
Pac-12: 11 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 14 in 2010, 15 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 81.
Big 12: 9 in 2012, 9 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 67.
National totals: 88 in 2012, 87 in 2011, 88 in 2010, 90 in 2009, 96 in 2008 and 86 in 2007.


Yeah, they don't play anyone.

In defense of the SEC haters, this data actually helps their argument, at least vis a vis the Pac12. Yes, the Pac played four less power opponents in those six cumulative years, but that's out of a significantly smaller pool of non conference games. The SEC had two more teams than the Pac the majority of those seasons (all but one IIRC) and plays four non conference games versus the Pac's three. So if the SEC played 85 games in that period, that's roughly 1.07 power conference non conference games per team per season, or about 26.5% of their non conference games.

The Pac's 81 non conference games with power conference opponents, OTOH, breaks down to roughly 1.3 per team per season. And the 81 was out of roughly 246 non conference games, for a rate of 32.9% of their games with power conference foes.

Whereas I was inclined to agree with APAG and yourself before this debate, your numbers actually have me leaning slightly more towards Bill's way of thinking. Good research.

Really the only question should be "do they play one good school ooc?". The ABC scheduling is nonsense. There's no real difference between scheduling an Indiana or a d-2, or whatever it's called now, school. If most teams, in most years, have a game scheduled with a team that is traditionally good then it's fine with me. The SEC does not shy away from playing one big time school ooc.

Why is that the standard? IMO if you play four non conference games and two of them are against D/F level d-2 dreck, you should probably have two non conference games that you could potentially lose. That 4th non conference game is instead of a 9th conference game, and while not every conference game is against a top tier opponent there's always the potential of losing (as Harbaugh showed Pete Carroll or Ole Miss showed Tebow, etc).

Playing three non conference opponents that have no chance of beating you is not respectable scheduling IMO.





















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Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

PurpleJ said:

Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

PurpleJ said:

Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

allpurpleallgold said:

PurpleJ said:

Let's look at the OOC schedules of teams that played the SEC in the title game. Shall we?

2013 FSU: @Pitt, Nevada, Bethune-Cookman, Florida (SEC teams don't play anyone, though)
2012 Notre Dame: Independent school. Argument isn't valid here. Definitely earned their spot, but got raped by Bama.
2011: The infamous all-SEC title game... Bama played at Penn St. and LSU beat Oregon OOC
2010 Oregon: New Mexico, @Tennessee (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), Portland St.
2009 Texas: Louisiana-Monroe, @Wyoming, UTEP, Central Florida
2008: Chattanooga, Cincinnati, UW (0-12 baby!!!), TCU
2007 Ohio St: Youngstown St. Akron, @Washington , Kent St.
2006 Ohio St: Northern Illinois, @Texas, Cincinnati, Bowling Green
2003 Oklahoma: North Texas, @Alabama (SEC teams don't play anyone, though), UCLA
1998 FSU: Texas A/M, USC, @Miami, Florida (one loss team, but also played the toughest schedule on this list)

As you can see, most of the teams that "earned" their trip to the title game versus SEC opponents played cupcake schedules OOC, save for 1998 FSU, 2003 Oklahoma, and Notre Dame in 2012.

You're wasting your time with PLSS and Bill. I laid out last years OOC schedules and showed that the SEC played as tough or tougher of a schedule as anyone. They'll just ignore facts.

PLSS I understand. I don't know why Bill is such a retard about it though.

That's one fucking year. You're completely missing the long term trend. This didn't start in 2012. Do I need to dredge out the OOC schedules from 2006, 2007, 2008 etc.? Like Puppy said, if every conference was treated equally every year, I wouldn't be bitching about it. That hasn't been the case though.

Hey dumbfuck... Are you gonna give the ACC shit? Oh wait, they aren't winning championships. So you can't really be jealous of them like the SEC.

sports.yahoo.com/news/power-conference-schools-schedule-more-173800620--ncaaf.html

All of the conferences have been doing it for a while, save for the Pac. We came on late.

I also find it interesting how the SEC played more power conference OOC opponents than the Big 12, Big 10 and Pac 12 over the period between 2007-2012.

FCS opponents
ACC: 13 in 2012, 13 in 2011, 13 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 74.
SEC: 15 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 11 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 9 in 2007, for a total of 67.
Big Ten: 8 in 2012, 10 in 2011, 10 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 9 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 54.
Big 12: 9 in 2012, 6 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 10 in 2008 and 8 in 2007, for a total of 50.
Big East: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 8 in 2010, 9 in 2009, 7 in 2008 and 7 in 2007, for a total of 48.
Pac-12: 9 in 2012, 8 in 2011, 7 in 2010, 4 in 2009, 2 in 2008 and 2 in 2007, for a total of 32.
National totals: 63 in 2012, 57 in 2011, 57 in 2010, 56 in 2009, 51 in 2008 and 41 in 2007.

Big Six nonconference opponents
ACC: 23 in 2012, 20 in 2011, 19 in 2010, 20 in 2009, 23 in 2008 and 22 in 2007, for a total of 127.
Big East: 16 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 15 in 2010, 16 in 2009, 16 in 2008 and 15 in 2007, for a total of 94.
SEC: 14 in 2012, 12 in 2011, 16 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 14 in 2007, for a total of 85.
Big Ten: 15 in 2012, 14 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 14 in 2009, 13 in 2008 and 13 in 2007, for a total of 81.
Pac-12: 11 in 2012, 16 in 2011, 14 in 2010, 15 in 2009, 14 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 81.
Big 12: 9 in 2012, 9 in 2011, 12 in 2010, 11 in 2009, 15 in 2008 and 11 in 2007, for a total of 67.
National totals: 88 in 2012, 87 in 2011, 88 in 2010, 90 in 2009, 96 in 2008 and 86 in 2007.


Yeah, they don't play anyone.

LOL, you're ignoring the fact they have more teams and play more out of conference games. Try again.

You could make the same argument for the amount of FCS games they play. More OOC games means they play less FCS teams per school.

They're still playing a lot per school. 1.07 per school in 2012. DNC said that... I think...

Just kneel down and kiss the rings bitch. You can't argue with their record in big games.


I'll make sure to bump this thread after the SEC tears it up again this year. Roll Tide!!!!