Pau Gasol
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True, but Hollinger himself will tell you that PER greatly underrates Marc's defensive superiority. Once you include defense he's been a significantly better player than Pau the last two seasons, and was better in 2011-2012 as well.Boobs_Or_Harv said:Don't have a horse in this race(actually I do but I know if I comment I can spend all night on here) for what it's worth Marc Gasol has only had a better PER than his brother Pau in one season which was 2013.
I agree with Chest that Pau tended to be underappreciated by Lakers fans and was a lightning rod for when things went south.
This truly was your win-win for both franchises. I don't think the Lakers win with Marc due to the fact by the team he got good their franchise role guys broke down(Odom, Fisher) while Kobe was no longer the best player in the game.
While on Memphis Pau couldn't even win a single playoff game, they were in rebuild mode so he was being wasted. While with Marc he could grow with his team. -
Good point about defense. I'd take Marc over Pau last three years myself.
Pau had a higher win shares, PER than Kobe in 2010 season and playoffs. Kobe stans tend to shit on Gasol, like Jordan Stan's with Pippen and Lebron Stan's with Bosh. -
Bosh deserves it though. 0 points in game 7 two years ago.Boobs_Or_Harv said:Good point about defense. I'd take Marc over Pau last three years myself.
Pau had a higher win shares, PER than Kobe in 2010 season and playoffs. Kobe stans tend to shit on Gasol, like Jordan Stan's with Pippen and Lebron Stan's with Bosh. -
There's only one Stan worthy of respectBoobs_Or_Harv said:Good point about defense. I'd take Marc over Pau last three years myself.
Pau had a higher win shares, PER than Kobe in 2010 season and playoffs. Kobe stans tend to shit on Gasol, like Jordan Stan's with Pippen and Lebron Stan's with Bosh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR18Pzbf-nY
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I still can't believe this happened to this day. Greatest troll job/incompetence ever.dnc said:
There's only one Stan worthy of respectBoobs_Or_Harv said:Good point about defense. I'd take Marc over Pau last three years myself.
Pau had a higher win shares, PER than Kobe in 2010 season and playoffs. Kobe stans tend to shit on Gasol, like Jordan Stan's with Pippen and Lebron Stan's with Bosh.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR18Pzbf-nY -
Who was Dirk's strong number 2 when they beat the Heat? Tyson Chandler? He was important, but no secondary star. Jet? Um, no. Kidd was over the hill by then. Maybe the Magic Mavs were just an oddity and Dirk played one of the most amazing Finals ever? Need people who know basketball to weigh in...dnc said:
Upon further review, I'll probably agree with this. Assuming Kobe doesn't blow out his achilles in this alternate universe 2013 would have been real interesting, but otherwise you're probably right.RoadDawg55 said:
DNC, Marc Gasol hasn't been te difference for the Lakers the past 4 years. What year are they winning a championship with him?dnc said:
Mark has been better than Pau for three years, at least. He was significantly better the last two years. If you really don't think Mark passed Pau as best Gasol until this year you haven't been paying attention. Jake Almighty, Mark had Pau 11.5 win shares to 3.5 in 2012-13. They weren't even comparable players.RoadDawg55 said:
Not buying it with Marc. Good player, but until this year it was probably a stretch to say he's better than Pau. Bynum was probably better 3 years ago as well until his knees shit out. He was getting 18 and 12 in 11-12. They also had Dwight Howard for a year. Marc doesn't fit a well with Bynum/Howard as Pau.dnc said:
The problem with the "Pau saved Kobe" argument is it assumes Mark wouldn't have become a great player in LA. LA doesn't win those two titles without Pau, but they could have easily won at least that many since then, and be a real contender for this year's if they had Mark.RoadDawg55 said:I think Kobe is great, but Chest makes some good points. He's absolutely right that Gasol saved Kobe's legacy. The two championships obviously would never have happened without Gasol. They needed a second star and luckily, they were gifted Gasol. The trade turned out to be a good one for both sides because Marc Gasol has been very good for Memphis, but at the time it was a wtf deal. Popovich even complained to the NBA about the legitimacy of the deal because Memphis received so little for Gasol.
Kobe had even demanded a trade in the season leading up to the Lakers getting Gasol at the deadline. He had ceased off those demands once the Lakers started out well. They were already starting to improve internally, with Bynum progressing rapidly, and Derek Fisher back instead of Smush Parker at PG. They weren't winning the West without Gasol though. Who knows what the situation would have been if the Lakers got bounced early that season.
Gasol gets shit because he's a European, finesse big guy. It's hard to say he's soft when he averaged over 10 rebounds, but he does sometimes get pushed around. He also flops and whines a lot on the court. He's not the toughest player around. Pau is a stereotypical, European big man, albeit a very good one. It's funny because brother isn't as long, athletic, or skilled (he's skilled, but not at Pau's level), but he's a banger and would never be called soft.
It also acts like every great player didn't need great teammates. MJ needed Pippen, Bird needed McHale, Magic needed Kareem, etc. Shaq needed Kobe and Wade too, btw.
Yes, Kobe needed another very good player on his team, but I'd argue Pau was inferior to any of those other "Robins".
There are too man variables to really know, but I don't see how they would have won multiple titles with Marc. He wasn't the difference maker for a title the past 4 years.
And Mark fits fine with a post up big. He plays the high post for Memphis with Z Bo on the low block.
#GrizzliesSuperiorityGuy
They'd be a hell of a contender this year with Marc though. But yeah, that trade worked out best for both teams.
The bigger poont that no great player wins a title without a strong #2 stands though. -
Great example with #YourMavs. Can't really argue. Definitely seems to be an outlier though. Duncan has Parker/Ginobili, LeBron had Wade/Bosh, etc.Swaye said:
Who was Dirk's strong number 2 when they beat the Heat? Tyson Chandler? He was important, but no secondary star. Jet? Um, no. Kidd was over the hill by then. Maybe the Magic Mavs were just an oddity and Dirk played one of the most amazing Finals ever? Need people who know basketball to weigh in...dnc said:
Upon further review, I'll probably agree with this. Assuming Kobe doesn't blow out his achilles in this alternate universe 2013 would have been real interesting, but otherwise you're probably right.RoadDawg55 said:
DNC, Marc Gasol hasn't been te difference for the Lakers the past 4 years. What year are they winning a championship with him?dnc said:
Mark has been better than Pau for three years, at least. He was significantly better the last two years. If you really don't think Mark passed Pau as best Gasol until this year you haven't been paying attention. Jake Almighty, Mark had Pau 11.5 win shares to 3.5 in 2012-13. They weren't even comparable players.RoadDawg55 said:
Not buying it with Marc. Good player, but until this year it was probably a stretch to say he's better than Pau. Bynum was probably better 3 years ago as well until his knees shit out. He was getting 18 and 12 in 11-12. They also had Dwight Howard for a year. Marc doesn't fit a well with Bynum/Howard as Pau.dnc said:
The problem with the "Pau saved Kobe" argument is it assumes Mark wouldn't have become a great player in LA. LA doesn't win those two titles without Pau, but they could have easily won at least that many since then, and be a real contender for this year's if they had Mark.RoadDawg55 said:I think Kobe is great, but Chest makes some good points. He's absolutely right that Gasol saved Kobe's legacy. The two championships obviously would never have happened without Gasol. They needed a second star and luckily, they were gifted Gasol. The trade turned out to be a good one for both sides because Marc Gasol has been very good for Memphis, but at the time it was a wtf deal. Popovich even complained to the NBA about the legitimacy of the deal because Memphis received so little for Gasol.
Kobe had even demanded a trade in the season leading up to the Lakers getting Gasol at the deadline. He had ceased off those demands once the Lakers started out well. They were already starting to improve internally, with Bynum progressing rapidly, and Derek Fisher back instead of Smush Parker at PG. They weren't winning the West without Gasol though. Who knows what the situation would have been if the Lakers got bounced early that season.
Gasol gets shit because he's a European, finesse big guy. It's hard to say he's soft when he averaged over 10 rebounds, but he does sometimes get pushed around. He also flops and whines a lot on the court. He's not the toughest player around. Pau is a stereotypical, European big man, albeit a very good one. It's funny because brother isn't as long, athletic, or skilled (he's skilled, but not at Pau's level), but he's a banger and would never be called soft.
It also acts like every great player didn't need great teammates. MJ needed Pippen, Bird needed McHale, Magic needed Kareem, etc. Shaq needed Kobe and Wade too, btw.
Yes, Kobe needed another very good player on his team, but I'd argue Pau was inferior to any of those other "Robins".
There are too man variables to really know, but I don't see how they would have won multiple titles with Marc. He wasn't the difference maker for a title the past 4 years.
And Mark fits fine with a post up big. He plays the high post for Memphis with Z Bo on the low block.
#GrizzliesSuperiorityGuy
They'd be a hell of a contender this year with Marc though. But yeah, that trade worked out best for both teams.
The bigger poont that no great player wins a title without a strong #2 stands though.
The one real run I'm not sure of was the Bad Boys dynasty. Obviously IT1.0 was great, just not sure if anybody else on that team was that good. Was Dumars? I guess they had Rodman but not sure if I'd count him in that category, though he's certainly HOF worthy. Interesting team. -
Was a huge outlier, which is why it has always amazed me that they won. Shaq/Kobe. Duncan/Manu. Jordan/Pippen. Lebron/Wade. Seems as if there is always a star 1 & 2 needed to win. Mavs were different.dnc said:
Great example with #YourMavs. Can't really argue. Definitely seems to be an outlier though. Duncan has Parker/Ginobili, LeBron had Wade/Bosh, etc.Swaye said:
Who was Dirk's strong number 2 when they beat the Heat? Tyson Chandler? He was important, but no secondary star. Jet? Um, no. Kidd was over the hill by then. Maybe the Magic Mavs were just an oddity and Dirk played one of the most amazing Finals ever? Need people who know basketball to weigh in...dnc said:
Upon further review, I'll probably agree with this. Assuming Kobe doesn't blow out his achilles in this alternate universe 2013 would have been real interesting, but otherwise you're probably right.RoadDawg55 said:
DNC, Marc Gasol hasn't been te difference for the Lakers the past 4 years. What year are they winning a championship with him?dnc said:
Mark has been better than Pau for three years, at least. He was significantly better the last two years. If you really don't think Mark passed Pau as best Gasol until this year you haven't been paying attention. Jake Almighty, Mark had Pau 11.5 win shares to 3.5 in 2012-13. They weren't even comparable players.RoadDawg55 said:
Not buying it with Marc. Good player, but until this year it was probably a stretch to say he's better than Pau. Bynum was probably better 3 years ago as well until his knees shit out. He was getting 18 and 12 in 11-12. They also had Dwight Howard for a year. Marc doesn't fit a well with Bynum/Howard as Pau.dnc said:
The problem with the "Pau saved Kobe" argument is it assumes Mark wouldn't have become a great player in LA. LA doesn't win those two titles without Pau, but they could have easily won at least that many since then, and be a real contender for this year's if they had Mark.RoadDawg55 said:I think Kobe is great, but Chest makes some good points. He's absolutely right that Gasol saved Kobe's legacy. The two championships obviously would never have happened without Gasol. They needed a second star and luckily, they were gifted Gasol. The trade turned out to be a good one for both sides because Marc Gasol has been very good for Memphis, but at the time it was a wtf deal. Popovich even complained to the NBA about the legitimacy of the deal because Memphis received so little for Gasol.
Kobe had even demanded a trade in the season leading up to the Lakers getting Gasol at the deadline. He had ceased off those demands once the Lakers started out well. They were already starting to improve internally, with Bynum progressing rapidly, and Derek Fisher back instead of Smush Parker at PG. They weren't winning the West without Gasol though. Who knows what the situation would have been if the Lakers got bounced early that season.
Gasol gets shit because he's a European, finesse big guy. It's hard to say he's soft when he averaged over 10 rebounds, but he does sometimes get pushed around. He also flops and whines a lot on the court. He's not the toughest player around. Pau is a stereotypical, European big man, albeit a very good one. It's funny because brother isn't as long, athletic, or skilled (he's skilled, but not at Pau's level), but he's a banger and would never be called soft.
It also acts like every great player didn't need great teammates. MJ needed Pippen, Bird needed McHale, Magic needed Kareem, etc. Shaq needed Kobe and Wade too, btw.
Yes, Kobe needed another very good player on his team, but I'd argue Pau was inferior to any of those other "Robins".
There are too man variables to really know, but I don't see how they would have won multiple titles with Marc. He wasn't the difference maker for a title the past 4 years.
And Mark fits fine with a post up big. He plays the high post for Memphis with Z Bo on the low block.
#GrizzliesSuperiorityGuy
They'd be a hell of a contender this year with Marc though. But yeah, that trade worked out best for both teams.
The bigger poont that no great player wins a title without a strong #2 stands though.
The one real run I'm not sure of was the Bad Boys dynasty. Obviously IT1.0 was great, just not sure if anybody else on that team was that good. Was Dumars? I guess they had Rodman but not sure if I'd count him in that category, though he's certainly HOF worthy. Interesting team.
I don't know enough about the Pistons to comment. -
The Pistons team that beat Shaq and Kobe. That team didn't even have one great player. But as general rule, yeah, you need two.
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Patrick Femerling disagrees.allpurpleallgold said:The Pistons team that beat Shaq and Kobe. That team didn't even have one great player. But as general rule, yeah, you need two.
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I can't even watch that.
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One of the most painful sports memories for me for sure. The CBS feed in NC finally switched to the game with under a minute left. When Watts hit that jumper to give us the lead I jumped and came down on a glass, almost broke my ankle. And then Hamilton Ripped out my heart.allpurpleallgold said:I can't even watch that.
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Yeah, very good thing. I probably would have lost my shit and gone on some message bored and insulted one of the players grandparents if I ever had to deal with something that horrible again.dnc said:
One of the most painful sports memories for me for sure. The CBS feed in NC finally switched to the game with under a minute left. When Watts hit that jumper to give us the lead I jumped and came down on a glass, almost broke my ankle. And then Hamilton Ripped out my heart.allpurpleallgold said:I can't even watch that.
Good thing we never had to go through anything like that again. -
@DNC next time can you just pour gasoline on me instead of posting that video.
Seattle has a lot of shitty sports moments. Some of which I can see again, this play isn't one of them. I hate how every march madness without fail that play is shown.
A few years back through a mutual friend was hanging out with Todd Macculough and I didn't even bring it up. However, Todd did and he still bugs him to this day. I've always wondered how with a 7'1" Macculough and 7'4" Femberling did we not get one fucking rebound?!!
Ugh and I won't even attempt to get started on that bullshit in 2006.
Fuck UCONN! -
That's probably the most painful single play I can remember, in any sport. It was like The Double, only if I was a Yankees fan. And if the Yankees were never any good. Which, I suppose, back when it happened they weren't.Boobs_Or_Harv said:@DNC next time can you just pour gasoline on me instead of posting that video.
Seattle has a lot of shitty sports moments. Some of which I can see again, this play isn't one of them. I hate how every march madness without fail that play is shown.
A few years back through a mutual friend was hanging out with Todd Macculough and I didn't even bring it up. However, Todd did and he still bugs him to this day. I've always wondered how with a 7'1" Macculough and 7'4" Femberling did we not get one fucking rebound?!!
Ugh and I won't even attempt to get started on that bullshit in 2006.
Fuck UCONN!
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Yankees would win world series next four of five years so I'm sure they got over the double rather quickly.dnc said:
That's probably the most painful single play I can remember, in any sport. It was like The Double, only if I was a Yankees fan. And if the Yankees were never any good. Which, I suppose, back when it happened they weren't.Boobs_Or_Harv said:@DNC next time can you just pour gasoline on me instead of posting that video.
Seattle has a lot of shitty sports moments. Some of which I can see again, this play isn't one of them. I hate how every march madness without fail that play is shown.
A few years back through a mutual friend was hanging out with Todd Macculough and I didn't even bring it up. However, Todd did and he still bugs him to this day. I've always wondered how with a 7'1" Macculough and 7'4" Femberling did we not get one fucking rebound?!!
Ugh and I won't even attempt to get started on that bullshit in 2006.
Fuck UCONN!
While for UW? Well we weren't in that position again until UCONN in 2006(I know 2005 but we got spanked) and history repeated itself. Then we haven't realistically been in that position again despite at the time Romar just went back to back sweet 16's and signed the 3rd rated class in the nation.
The UCONN game was a missed moment for sure for Bender era and it's probably the missed moment of the Romar era. Just shitty UCONN game is where both programs peaked, crashed and burned on a buzzer beater.
I think that's why the second UCONN loss hurt so damn much because it was UCONN. It would have hurt regardless of the opponent but it was setting up for UW to avenge that loss. Instead just makes it so much more painful. -
Yeah, Yankees fans probably barely even remember the double.Boobs_Or_Harv said:
Yankees would win world series next four of five years so I'm sure they got over the double rather quickly.dnc said:
That's probably the most painful single play I can remember, in any sport. It was like The Double, only if I was a Yankees fan. And if the Yankees were never any good. Which, I suppose, back when it happened they weren't.Boobs_Or_Harv said:@DNC next time can you just pour gasoline on me instead of posting that video.
Seattle has a lot of shitty sports moments. Some of which I can see again, this play isn't one of them. I hate how every march madness without fail that play is shown.
A few years back through a mutual friend was hanging out with Todd Macculough and I didn't even bring it up. However, Todd did and he still bugs him to this day. I've always wondered how with a 7'1" Macculough and 7'4" Femberling did we not get one fucking rebound?!!
Ugh and I won't even attempt to get started on that bullshit in 2006.
Fuck UCONN!
While for UW? Well we weren't in that position again until UCONN in 2006(I know 2005 but we got spanked) and history repeated itself. Then we haven't realistically been in that position again despite at the time Romar just went back to back sweet 16's and signed the 3rd rated class in the nation.
The UCONN game was a missed moment for sure for Bender era and it's probably the missed moment of the Romar era. Just shitty UCONN game is where both programs peaked, crashed and burned on a buzzer beater.
I think that's why the second UCONN loss hurt so damn much because it was UCONN. It would have hurt regardless of the opponent but it was setting up for UW to avenge that loss. Instead just makes it so much more painful.
The second UConn loss was more painful for me because that team really could have had a shot had we won, and because it was the last game for my favorite player ever. The first loss just had the more painful moment as we went from winning to losing on one shot. The second loss the heartbreak was more drawn out - the Jensen foul, the onions three, the Appleby brick, the missed goaltending on the Roy shot in OT, Dentmon fouling out because Williams tripped over his own feet, Roy fouling out because fuck the refs, Smith making the terrible pass, Burmeister airballing the three at the end. It was just an all around clusterfuck of a stomach punch.
And to top it all off WhiskeyDawg popped my citrus cherry right after the game with a hidden link that was supposed to go to an ESPN recap. And then apag was banninated.
Fuck that night. -
Agree on all that. The moment was more painful on the first loss but the second loss was a back breaker. Like you said the NCAA's were wide open that year(no #1 seeds made final four) and we had the recipe for a title. We had the best player who happened to be a senior who was a wing player. That wasn't a great team as the depth kind of sucked which is why we'd get swept to WSU but that team could rise up(beat Gonzaga, swept UCLA which UW never does).dnc said:
Yeah, Yankees fans probably barely even remember the double.Boobs_Or_Harv said:
Yankees would win world series next four of five years so I'm sure they got over the double rather quickly.dnc said:
That's probably the most painful single play I can remember, in any sport. It was like The Double, only if I was a Yankees fan. And if the Yankees were never any good. Which, I suppose, back when it happened they weren't.Boobs_Or_Harv said:@DNC next time can you just pour gasoline on me instead of posting that video.
Seattle has a lot of shitty sports moments. Some of which I can see again, this play isn't one of them. I hate how every march madness without fail that play is shown.
A few years back through a mutual friend was hanging out with Todd Macculough and I didn't even bring it up. However, Todd did and he still bugs him to this day. I've always wondered how with a 7'1" Macculough and 7'4" Femberling did we not get one fucking rebound?!!
Ugh and I won't even attempt to get started on that bullshit in 2006.
Fuck UCONN!
While for UW? Well we weren't in that position again until UCONN in 2006(I know 2005 but we got spanked) and history repeated itself. Then we haven't realistically been in that position again despite at the time Romar just went back to back sweet 16's and signed the 3rd rated class in the nation.
The UCONN game was a missed moment for sure for Bender era and it's probably the missed moment of the Romar era. Just shitty UCONN game is where both programs peaked, crashed and burned on a buzzer beater.
I think that's why the second UCONN loss hurt so damn much because it was UCONN. It would have hurt regardless of the opponent but it was setting up for UW to avenge that loss. Instead just makes it so much more painful.
The second UConn loss was more painful for me because that team really could have had a shot had we won, and because it was the last game for my favorite player ever. The first loss just had the more painful moment as we went from winning to losing on one shot. The second loss the heartbreak was more drawn out - the Jensen foul, the onions three, the Appleby brick, the missed goaltending on the Roy shot in OT, Dentmon fouling out because Williams tripped over his own feet, Roy fouling out because fuck the refs, Smith making the terrible pass, Burmeister airballing the three at the end. It was just an all around clusterfuck of a stomach punch.
And to top it all off WhiskeyDawg popped my citrus cherry right after the game with a hidden link that was supposed to go to an ESPN recap. And then apag was banninated.
Fuck that night.
Up four points, Williams launches a three I'm like "NOOOOOOOOOOO OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" just celebrating like crazy cause a good free throw shooting, veteran team isn't blowing a 7 point lead with like a minute left.
I remember I called my dad after that as I wanted to be on the phone with him when this program got over the hump. We were like just avoid the three we are good, guy drives the lane we are like sweet! Then makes lay up and then Jensen just closes lines him. Then we were both like uh oh. Up three we both agreed FOUL! Instead they make the three, I remember we both were like I'm sick I'll call you if we win.
Then like you said in overtime the refs continued to fuck us(weak card used by Doogs but this game it applies). Then Appleby steals the ball when our season appeared over, passes up an open look. Passes to Joel Smith(Why the fuck was he out there?!! So terrible that year. Huge regression from freshman year) who made a sloppy pass to Roy which was picked off and Roy ran him down to stop the fast break shot. Unfortunately he fouled out and the greatest UW player in my lifetime career ended like that.
Such a sad depressing game, was down in Portland visiting some friends. So what do young guys in their early 20's do when depressed? You go to the fucking Acrop! Even titties and ass in my face couldn't change my mood.
One of those games where you remember the entire night like it happened yesterday. -
That was my second biggest blow up ever after a game with Arizona 1992 being the worst.
I had friends that played with Roy when he was mediocre and recounted how in a single year he went from mediocre to D1 material. I knew one of the coaches who helped develop Roy and he introduced me to him his senior year of high school. It was a Friday night at a gym and he was working on his game. Seemed like a real humble dude. I asked the coach how good he was and why go to UW. He said he thought Roy had a chance to be the best ever to come out of the state. He said they felt Brandon would be good enough to make the NBA even if he went to UW. And had Roy not had knee problems he easily would have been one of the best ever.
Anyway I felt such a strong connection to that team. Roy was the best player from my class to come out of Seattle and everyone wanted it for him. Even the announcers during the tourney like Bilas and Raftery knew he was the best player in CBB. You could tell Raftery felt UW deserved it, pointing out the shit calls and how special of a player Roy was throughout the game.
I remember metricssuperiorityguy pointing out that a missed goaltend is the worst call or non call in basketball. At least on a foul call no points are scored and the player has to make free throws. But a blown goaltend call? Thats 2 fucking points off the board.
Just fucking horseshit. And then Jim Calhoun was bitching at the refs the whole game. What a huge fucking asshole.
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Boobs_Or_Harv said:
Agree on all that. The moment was more painful on the first loss but the second loss was a back breaker. Like you said the NCAA's were wide open that year(no #1 seeds made final four) and we had the recipe for a title. We had the best player who happened to be a senior who was a wing player. That wasn't a great team as the depth kind of sucked which is why we'd get swept to WSU but that team could rise up(beat Gonzaga, swept UCLA which UW never does).dnc said:
Yeah, Yankees fans probably barely even remember the double.Boobs_Or_Harv said:
Yankees would win world series next four of five years so I'm sure they got over the double rather quickly.dnc said:
That's probably the most painful single play I can remember, in any sport. It was like The Double, only if I was a Yankees fan. And if the Yankees were never any good. Which, I suppose, back when it happened they weren't.Boobs_Or_Harv said:@DNC next time can you just pour gasoline on me instead of posting that video.
Seattle has a lot of shitty sports moments. Some of which I can see again, this play isn't one of them. I hate how every march madness without fail that play is shown.
A few years back through a mutual friend was hanging out with Todd Macculough and I didn't even bring it up. However, Todd did and he still bugs him to this day. I've always wondered how with a 7'1" Macculough and 7'4" Femberling did we not get one fucking rebound?!!
Ugh and I won't even attempt to get started on that bullshit in 2006.
Fuck UCONN!
While for UW? Well we weren't in that position again until UCONN in 2006(I know 2005 but we got spanked) and history repeated itself. Then we haven't realistically been in that position again despite at the time Romar just went back to back sweet 16's and signed the 3rd rated class in the nation.
The UCONN game was a missed moment for sure for Bender era and it's probably the missed moment of the Romar era. Just shitty UCONN game is where both programs peaked, crashed and burned on a buzzer beater.
I think that's why the second UCONN loss hurt so damn much because it was UCONN. It would have hurt regardless of the opponent but it was setting up for UW to avenge that loss. Instead just makes it so much more painful.
The second UConn loss was more painful for me because that team really could have had a shot had we won, and because it was the last game for my favorite player ever. The first loss just had the more painful moment as we went from winning to losing on one shot. The second loss the heartbreak was more drawn out - the Jensen foul, the onions three, the Appleby brick, the missed goaltending on the Roy shot in OT, Dentmon fouling out because Williams tripped over his own feet, Roy fouling out because fuck the refs, Smith making the terrible pass, Burmeister airballing the three at the end. It was just an all around clusterfuck of a stomach punch.
And to top it all off WhiskeyDawg popped my citrus cherry right after the game with a hidden link that was supposed to go to an ESPN recap. And then apag was banninated.
Fuck that night.
Up four points, Williams launches a three I'm like "NOOOOOOOOOOO OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" just celebrating like crazy cause a good free throw shooting, veteran team isn't blowing a 7 point lead with like a minute left.
I remember I called my dad after that as I wanted to be on the phone with him when this program got over the hump. We were like just avoid the three we are good, guy drives the lane we are like sweet! Then makes lay up and then Jensen just closes lines him. Then we were both like uh oh. Up three we both agreed FOUL! Instead they make the three, I remember we both were like I'm sick I'll call you if we win.
Then like you said in overtime the refs continued to fuck us(weak card used by Doogs but this game it applies). Then Appleby steals the ball when our season appeared over, passes up an open look. Passes to Joel Smith(Why the fuck was he out there?!! So terrible that year. Huge regression from freshman year) who made a sloppy pass to Roy which was picked off and Roy ran him down to stop the fast break shot. Unfortunately he fouled out and the greatest UW player in my lifetime career ended like that.
Such a sad depressing game, was down in Portland visiting some friends. So what do young guys in their early 20's do when depressed? You go to the fucking Acrop! Even titties and ass in my face couldn't change my mood.
One of those games where you remember the entire night like it happened yesterday.
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Bulls got Gasol. They are going to be good, although how good depends on Rose coming back at a level somewhat close to when he was MVP. Noah and Gasol are both really good passers for big men. I think they will compliment each other well. Mirotic should be good too. If he's really good, they are a title contender. I've been looking forward to him coming over since he was drafted.
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Best team in the East if Rose is 90% of above, even if Cleveland gets Love. I think Mirotic will be pretty good from day one.RoadDawg55 said:Bulls got Gasol. They are going to be good, although how good depends on Rose coming back at a level somewhat close to when he was MVP. Noah and Gasol are both really good passers for big men. I think they will compliment each other well. Mirotic should be good too. If he's really good, they are a title contender. I've been looking forward to him coming over since he was drafted.
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I went to the 2006 UConn-UW game. SO SO pissed. It still pisses me off. Probably worst loss I have ever seen in person. Only one I can come up with is the Redskins blowing a 99% win probability to the fucking Cowboys:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199909120was.htm
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Hi therewhlinder said:I went to the 2006 UConn-UW game. SO SO pissed. It still pisses me off. Probably worst loss I have ever seen in person. Only one I can come up with is the Redskins blowing a 99% win probability to the fucking Cowboys:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199909120was.htm
Considering this was a playoff game, this was definitely worse than that Cowboys-R Word (lol!) game
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199301030buf.htm
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I was only going on games I had attended in person.dnc said:
Hi therewhlinder said:I went to the 2006 UConn-UW game. SO SO pissed. It still pisses me off. Probably worst loss I have ever seen in person. Only one I can come up with is the Redskins blowing a 99% win probability to the fucking Cowboys:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199909120was.htm
Considering this was a playoff game, this was definitely worse than that Cowboys-R Word (lol!) game
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199301030buf.htm
1- losing to UConn in s16
2- losing to Dallas up 21 in 4th -
Why do I hate reading?whlinder said:
I was only going on games I had attended in person.dnc said:
Hi therewhlinder said:I went to the 2006 UConn-UW game. SO SO pissed. It still pisses me off. Probably worst loss I have ever seen in person. Only one I can come up with is the Redskins blowing a 99% win probability to the fucking Cowboys:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199909120was.htm
Considering this was a playoff game, this was definitely worse than that Cowboys-R Word (lol!) game
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199301030buf.htm
1- losing to UConn in s16
2- losing to Dallas up 21 in 4th
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I cannot even read the posts about 2006 UCONN. 8 years later and it still haunts me.
