IMHO black eye for oregon


Hunt, a Democrat, voted for the 2011 bill that he is charged under.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/breaking-former-oregon-democrat-house-majority-speaker-arrested-human-sex-trafficking/
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I feel sorry for his brother Mike
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How many roses?
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Sex work is work.
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No wonder they want the police abolished
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Figures you’d make a joke out of sex slavery.
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People exactly like him were the main reason I quit the Governors office and got out of politics as a profession. Too many slime balls in OR and WA politics. If you aren't as slimy as them you get disillusioned real quick. The only good person I knew in Salem was the Governor himself.
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Neil “the child molester” Goldschmidt?
Dr. John “this state is ungovernable” Kitzhaber?
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Its was already black
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@PurpleBazeYellowSnow said: -
Legalize prostitution and this goes away...
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@pawzFire_Marshall_Bill said: -
Sadly I don’t think it does.Goduckies said:Legalize prostitution and this goes away...
https://harvardcrcl.org/to-protect-women-legalize-prostitution/
https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/
“It’s true that current efforts by various European countries to legalize prostitution have been far from perfect. In the Netherlands, certain components of the legislation, such as requiring sex workers to register and setting the minimum age for prostitution at 21, could drive more sex workers to illegal markets. Not only that, but studies indicate that legalizing prostitution can increase human trafficking. However, even those who are critical about legalizing prostitution can recognize the benefits that legislation can have on working conditions for sex workers.”
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Seams pretty safe in Nevada
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A lot of freedom loving patriots such as myself like to draw a straight line between legalizing/decriminalizing and a reduction in the harmful impacts of whatever was legalized. E.g. marijuana - state legalizes it, cartels and street dealers are driven out of business. Win-win.Doog_de_Jour said:
Sadly I don’t think it does.Goduckies said:Legalize prostitution and this goes away...
https://harvardcrcl.org/to-protect-women-legalize-prostitution/
https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/
“It’s true that current efforts by various European countries to legalize prostitution have been far from perfect. In the Netherlands, certain components of the legislation, such as requiring sex workers to register and setting the minimum age for prostitution at 21, could drive more sex workers to illegal markets. Not only that, but studies indicate that legalizing prostitution can increase human trafficking. However, even those who are critical about legalizing prostitution can recognize the benefits that legislation can have on working conditions for sex workers.”
Admittedly, that doesn't appear to always hold up, and prostitution is a good example. Legalizing it just provides that much more cover for cheap sources of labor, i.e. sex slaves, and I don't know if there's a way around that without heavy government involvement in the trade. And I'm guessing a government bureau of sex workers whose job it is to verify the identities of sex workers is a political non-starter. -
It's not. They're a top 10 state in terms of instances of human trafficking.Goduckies said:Seams pretty safe in Nevada
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That probably has more to do with all the drunk women making easier targets for abduction than the legality of sex work. Either way, I don’t think legalizing it is the answer.GreenRiverGatorz said:
It's not. They're a top 10 state in terms of instances of human trafficking.Goduckies said:Seams pretty safe in Nevada
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Uh no not entirely. Pot stores create an entire crime wave around them. They stack cash and get robbed, kidnapped, family kidnapped etc. Also they export their pot to illegal locals where they can sell it for much higher prices. you've just moved production into our country instead of it coming from Mexico and Canada.GreenRiverGatorz said:
A lot of freedom loving patriots such as myself like to draw a straight line between legalizing/decriminalizing and a reduction in the harmful impacts of whatever was legalized. E.g. marijuana - state legalizes it, cartels and street dealers are driven out of business. Win-win.Doog_de_Jour said:
Sadly I don’t think it does.Goduckies said:Legalize prostitution and this goes away...
https://harvardcrcl.org/to-protect-women-legalize-prostitution/
https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/
“It’s true that current efforts by various European countries to legalize prostitution have been far from perfect. In the Netherlands, certain components of the legislation, such as requiring sex workers to register and setting the minimum age for prostitution at 21, could drive more sex workers to illegal markets. Not only that, but studies indicate that legalizing prostitution can increase human trafficking. However, even those who are critical about legalizing prostitution can recognize the benefits that legislation can have on working conditions for sex workers.”
Admittedly, that doesn't appear to always hold up, and prostitution is a good example. Legalizing it just provides that much more cover for cheap sources of labor, i.e. sex slaves, and I don't know if there's a way around that without heavy government involvement in the trade. And I'm guessing a government bureau of sex workers whose job it is to verify the identities of sex workers is a political non-starter. -
All that was happening before pot legalization.Sledog said:
Uh no not entirely. Pot stores create an entire crime wave around them. They stack cash and get robbed, kidnapped, family kidnapped etc. Also they export their pot to illegal locals where they can sell it for much higher prices. you've just moved production into our country instead of it coming from Mexico and Canada.GreenRiverGatorz said:
A lot of freedom loving patriots such as myself like to draw a straight line between legalizing/decriminalizing and a reduction in the harmful impacts of whatever was legalized. E.g. marijuana - state legalizes it, cartels and street dealers are driven out of business. Win-win.Doog_de_Jour said:
Sadly I don’t think it does.Goduckies said:Legalize prostitution and this goes away...
https://harvardcrcl.org/to-protect-women-legalize-prostitution/
https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/
“It’s true that current efforts by various European countries to legalize prostitution have been far from perfect. In the Netherlands, certain components of the legislation, such as requiring sex workers to register and setting the minimum age for prostitution at 21, could drive more sex workers to illegal markets. Not only that, but studies indicate that legalizing prostitution can increase human trafficking. However, even those who are critical about legalizing prostitution can recognize the benefits that legislation can have on working conditions for sex workers.”
Admittedly, that doesn't appear to always hold up, and prostitution is a good example. Legalizing it just provides that much more cover for cheap sources of labor, i.e. sex slaves, and I don't know if there's a way around that without heavy government involvement in the trade. And I'm guessing a government bureau of sex workers whose job it is to verify the identities of sex workers is a political non-starter. -
Not even sure where to start on this one. This is a @Sledog all-timer of bad policy understanding.Sledog said:
Uh no not entirely. Pot stores create an entire crime wave around them. They stack cash and get robbed, kidnapped, family kidnapped etc. Also they export their pot to illegal locals where they can sell it for much higher prices. you've just moved production into our country instead of it coming from Mexico and Canada.GreenRiverGatorz said:
A lot of freedom loving patriots such as myself like to draw a straight line between legalizing/decriminalizing and a reduction in the harmful impacts of whatever was legalized. E.g. marijuana - state legalizes it, cartels and street dealers are driven out of business. Win-win.Doog_de_Jour said:
Sadly I don’t think it does.Goduckies said:Legalize prostitution and this goes away...
https://harvardcrcl.org/to-protect-women-legalize-prostitution/
https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/
“It’s true that current efforts by various European countries to legalize prostitution have been far from perfect. In the Netherlands, certain components of the legislation, such as requiring sex workers to register and setting the minimum age for prostitution at 21, could drive more sex workers to illegal markets. Not only that, but studies indicate that legalizing prostitution can increase human trafficking. However, even those who are critical about legalizing prostitution can recognize the benefits that legislation can have on working conditions for sex workers.”
Admittedly, that doesn't appear to always hold up, and prostitution is a good example. Legalizing it just provides that much more cover for cheap sources of labor, i.e. sex slaves, and I don't know if there's a way around that without heavy government involvement in the trade. And I'm guessing a government bureau of sex workers whose job it is to verify the identities of sex workers is a political non-starter.
Anyways, huge belly laughs in the media room at the idea that armed robberies of cash-carrying marijuana retailers are a problem that even begins to approach the levels of crime that are involved when marijuana is a black market. Also all the more reasons for the federal government to remove it from schedule 1 so banks and CC processors no longer balk at providing services to these retailers and they can stop carrying absurd amounts of cash.
And moving production to our country is kind of the whole fucking point. Retail marijuana is grown by licensed growers who have to meet quality and safety standards. And then Uncle Sam gets his taste. Contrast that with weed that's produced by cartel-owned growers south of the border, who often use their own version of slave labor, and is used to finance huge swaths of atrocities. -
I know a grower or two. Their biggest problems were borne from chinconsistent laws between state and federal. To wit, no banking in the first few years. However, that got squared away in Washington a while back.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Not even sure where to start on this one. This is a @Sledog all-timer of bad policy understanding.Sledog said:
Uh no not entirely. Pot stores create an entire crime wave around them. They stack cash and get robbed, kidnapped, family kidnapped etc. Also they export their pot to illegal locals where they can sell it for much higher prices. you've just moved production into our country instead of it coming from Mexico and Canada.GreenRiverGatorz said:
A lot of freedom loving patriots such as myself like to draw a straight line between legalizing/decriminalizing and a reduction in the harmful impacts of whatever was legalized. E.g. marijuana - state legalizes it, cartels and street dealers are driven out of business. Win-win.Doog_de_Jour said:
Sadly I don’t think it does.Goduckies said:Legalize prostitution and this goes away...
https://harvardcrcl.org/to-protect-women-legalize-prostitution/
https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/
“It’s true that current efforts by various European countries to legalize prostitution have been far from perfect. In the Netherlands, certain components of the legislation, such as requiring sex workers to register and setting the minimum age for prostitution at 21, could drive more sex workers to illegal markets. Not only that, but studies indicate that legalizing prostitution can increase human trafficking. However, even those who are critical about legalizing prostitution can recognize the benefits that legislation can have on working conditions for sex workers.”
Admittedly, that doesn't appear to always hold up, and prostitution is a good example. Legalizing it just provides that much more cover for cheap sources of labor, i.e. sex slaves, and I don't know if there's a way around that without heavy government involvement in the trade. And I'm guessing a government bureau of sex workers whose job it is to verify the identities of sex workers is a political non-starter.
Anyways, huge belly laughs in the media room at the idea that armed robberies of cash-carrying marijuana retailers are a problem that even begins to approach the levels of crime that are involved when marijuana is a black market. Also all the more reasons for the federal government to remove it from schedule 1 so banks and CC processors no longer balk at providing services to these retailers and they can stop carrying absurd amounts of cash.
And moving production to our country is kind of the whole fucking point. Retail marijuana is grown by licensed growers who have to meet quality and safety standards. And then Uncle Sam gets his taste. Contrast that with weed that's produced by cartel-owned growers south of the border, who often use their own version of slave labor, and is used to finance huge swaths of atrocities.
Anyhow, Sled is a Statist. -
Let's legalize murder should solve lot's of problems.WestlinnDuck said:
All that was happening before pot legalization.Sledog said:
Uh no not entirely. Pot stores create an entire crime wave around them. They stack cash and get robbed, kidnapped, family kidnapped etc. Also they export their pot to illegal locals where they can sell it for much higher prices. you've just moved production into our country instead of it coming from Mexico and Canada.GreenRiverGatorz said:
A lot of freedom loving patriots such as myself like to draw a straight line between legalizing/decriminalizing and a reduction in the harmful impacts of whatever was legalized. E.g. marijuana - state legalizes it, cartels and street dealers are driven out of business. Win-win.Doog_de_Jour said:
Sadly I don’t think it does.Goduckies said:Legalize prostitution and this goes away...
https://harvardcrcl.org/to-protect-women-legalize-prostitution/
https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/
“It’s true that current efforts by various European countries to legalize prostitution have been far from perfect. In the Netherlands, certain components of the legislation, such as requiring sex workers to register and setting the minimum age for prostitution at 21, could drive more sex workers to illegal markets. Not only that, but studies indicate that legalizing prostitution can increase human trafficking. However, even those who are critical about legalizing prostitution can recognize the benefits that legislation can have on working conditions for sex workers.”
Admittedly, that doesn't appear to always hold up, and prostitution is a good example. Legalizing it just provides that much more cover for cheap sources of labor, i.e. sex slaves, and I don't know if there's a way around that without heavy government involvement in the trade. And I'm guessing a government bureau of sex workers whose job it is to verify the identities of sex workers is a political non-starter. -
That's one of the things I love about you Sled. It's clear you have a few screws loose, and you're often not actually following what is being said in a conversation. But god dammit if that doesn't stop you from diving in headfirst with a scorching hot take with 100% confidence and bravado. You can't teach that kind of self-surety.Sledog said:
Let's legalize murder should solve lot's of problems.WestlinnDuck said:
All that was happening before pot legalization.Sledog said:
Uh no not entirely. Pot stores create an entire crime wave around them. They stack cash and get robbed, kidnapped, family kidnapped etc. Also they export their pot to illegal locals where they can sell it for much higher prices. you've just moved production into our country instead of it coming from Mexico and Canada.GreenRiverGatorz said:
A lot of freedom loving patriots such as myself like to draw a straight line between legalizing/decriminalizing and a reduction in the harmful impacts of whatever was legalized. E.g. marijuana - state legalizes it, cartels and street dealers are driven out of business. Win-win.Doog_de_Jour said:
Sadly I don’t think it does.Goduckies said:Legalize prostitution and this goes away...
https://harvardcrcl.org/to-protect-women-legalize-prostitution/
https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/
“It’s true that current efforts by various European countries to legalize prostitution have been far from perfect. In the Netherlands, certain components of the legislation, such as requiring sex workers to register and setting the minimum age for prostitution at 21, could drive more sex workers to illegal markets. Not only that, but studies indicate that legalizing prostitution can increase human trafficking. However, even those who are critical about legalizing prostitution can recognize the benefits that legislation can have on working conditions for sex workers.”
Admittedly, that doesn't appear to always hold up, and prostitution is a good example. Legalizing it just provides that much more cover for cheap sources of labor, i.e. sex slaves, and I don't know if there's a way around that without heavy government involvement in the trade. And I'm guessing a government bureau of sex workers whose job it is to verify the identities of sex workers is a political non-starter. -
The difference is I know and you don't. But hell that's obvious in every thread you post in. I have opinions as do you. You assume you're right. Your only born one way. It's a physical thing. Making a different choice is mental. I blame parents for almost all of this. normally an overbearing mother. But hell I haven't actually seen any of this craziness like you have. I haven't been to their suicides or family quarrels a zillion times. I'm sure you have more experience you read about in school somewhere. Please enlighten me.GreenRiverGatorz said:
That's one of the things I love about you Sled. It's clear you have a few screws loose, and you're often not actually following what is being said in a conversation. But god dammit if that doesn't stop you from diving in headfirst with a scorching hot take with 100% confidence and bravado. You can't teach that kind of self-surety.Sledog said:
Let's legalize murder should solve lot's of problems.WestlinnDuck said:
All that was happening before pot legalization.Sledog said:
Uh no not entirely. Pot stores create an entire crime wave around them. They stack cash and get robbed, kidnapped, family kidnapped etc. Also they export their pot to illegal locals where they can sell it for much higher prices. you've just moved production into our country instead of it coming from Mexico and Canada.GreenRiverGatorz said:
A lot of freedom loving patriots such as myself like to draw a straight line between legalizing/decriminalizing and a reduction in the harmful impacts of whatever was legalized. E.g. marijuana - state legalizes it, cartels and street dealers are driven out of business. Win-win.Doog_de_Jour said:
Sadly I don’t think it does.Goduckies said:Legalize prostitution and this goes away...
https://harvardcrcl.org/to-protect-women-legalize-prostitution/
https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/
“It’s true that current efforts by various European countries to legalize prostitution have been far from perfect. In the Netherlands, certain components of the legislation, such as requiring sex workers to register and setting the minimum age for prostitution at 21, could drive more sex workers to illegal markets. Not only that, but studies indicate that legalizing prostitution can increase human trafficking. However, even those who are critical about legalizing prostitution can recognize the benefits that legislation can have on working conditions for sex workers.”
Admittedly, that doesn't appear to always hold up, and prostitution is a good example. Legalizing it just provides that much more cover for cheap sources of labor, i.e. sex slaves, and I don't know if there's a way around that without heavy government involvement in the trade. And I'm guessing a government bureau of sex workers whose job it is to verify the identities of sex workers is a political non-starter. -
Its one of the easier problems to solveGreenRiverGatorz said:
Not even sure where to start on this one. This is a @Sledog all-timer of bad policy understanding.Sledog said:
Uh no not entirely. Pot stores create an entire crime wave around them. They stack cash and get robbed, kidnapped, family kidnapped etc. Also they export their pot to illegal locals where they can sell it for much higher prices. you've just moved production into our country instead of it coming from Mexico and Canada.GreenRiverGatorz said:
A lot of freedom loving patriots such as myself like to draw a straight line between legalizing/decriminalizing and a reduction in the harmful impacts of whatever was legalized. E.g. marijuana - state legalizes it, cartels and street dealers are driven out of business. Win-win.Doog_de_Jour said:
Sadly I don’t think it does.Goduckies said:Legalize prostitution and this goes away...
https://harvardcrcl.org/to-protect-women-legalize-prostitution/
https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/
“It’s true that current efforts by various European countries to legalize prostitution have been far from perfect. In the Netherlands, certain components of the legislation, such as requiring sex workers to register and setting the minimum age for prostitution at 21, could drive more sex workers to illegal markets. Not only that, but studies indicate that legalizing prostitution can increase human trafficking. However, even those who are critical about legalizing prostitution can recognize the benefits that legislation can have on working conditions for sex workers.”
Admittedly, that doesn't appear to always hold up, and prostitution is a good example. Legalizing it just provides that much more cover for cheap sources of labor, i.e. sex slaves, and I don't know if there's a way around that without heavy government involvement in the trade. And I'm guessing a government bureau of sex workers whose job it is to verify the identities of sex workers is a political non-starter.
Anyways, huge belly laughs in the media room at the idea that armed robberies of cash-carrying marijuana retailers are a problem that even begins to approach the levels of crime that are involved when marijuana is a black market. Also all the more reasons for the federal government to remove it from schedule 1 so banks and CC processors no longer balk at providing services to these retailers and they can stop carrying absurd amounts of cash.
And moving production to our country is kind of the whole fucking point. Retail marijuana is grown by licensed growers who have to meet quality and safety standards. And then Uncle Sam gets his taste. Contrast that with weed that's produced by cartel-owned growers south of the border, who often use their own version of slave labor, and is used to finance huge swaths of atrocities.
I hate having to load up on cash at the ATM to go buy weed. And they hate having all that cash -
Weed does not equal murder. Banning alcohol during prohibition caused lots of murders. IMO, weed causes less problems than alcohol. I never claimed that weed doesn't cause problems.Sledog said:
Let's legalize murder should solve lot's of problems.WestlinnDuck said:
All that was happening before pot legalization.Sledog said:
Uh no not entirely. Pot stores create an entire crime wave around them. They stack cash and get robbed, kidnapped, family kidnapped etc. Also they export their pot to illegal locals where they can sell it for much higher prices. you've just moved production into our country instead of it coming from Mexico and Canada.GreenRiverGatorz said:
A lot of freedom loving patriots such as myself like to draw a straight line between legalizing/decriminalizing and a reduction in the harmful impacts of whatever was legalized. E.g. marijuana - state legalizes it, cartels and street dealers are driven out of business. Win-win.Doog_de_Jour said:
Sadly I don’t think it does.Goduckies said:Legalize prostitution and this goes away...
https://harvardcrcl.org/to-protect-women-legalize-prostitution/
https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/
“It’s true that current efforts by various European countries to legalize prostitution have been far from perfect. In the Netherlands, certain components of the legislation, such as requiring sex workers to register and setting the minimum age for prostitution at 21, could drive more sex workers to illegal markets. Not only that, but studies indicate that legalizing prostitution can increase human trafficking. However, even those who are critical about legalizing prostitution can recognize the benefits that legislation can have on working conditions for sex workers.”
Admittedly, that doesn't appear to always hold up, and prostitution is a good example. Legalizing it just provides that much more cover for cheap sources of labor, i.e. sex slaves, and I don't know if there's a way around that without heavy government involvement in the trade. And I'm guessing a government bureau of sex workers whose job it is to verify the identities of sex workers is a political non-starter. -
What I love about the Tug. A thread that starts out about a guy who gets busted in a prostitution sting turns into a thread about how weed doesn't equal murder.
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New criminal laws, despite the best of intentions, have unintended consequences.
Unfortunately, police officers have to deal with these.
Without legalizing marijuana federally, passing medical marijuana laws and legalizing marijuana state by state has been a clusterfuck.
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I'm open to hearing how it's been a clusterfuck relative to the prior status quo of it being criminalized in all 50 states. Obviously legalizing it federally would be the ideal solution, but here we are.trublue said:New criminal laws, despite the best of intentions, have unintended consequences.
Unfortunately, police officers have to deal with these.
Without legalizing marijuana federally, passing medical marijuana laws and legalizing marijuana state by state has been a clusterfuck.