Another Stellar Incoming OLine Class
1) Dane Crane - Center - Supposed to be really good
2) Andrew Kirkland - Guard - General consensus is he will have to get A LOT better to contribute to a D-1 team
The last minute, garbage time, desperation offer guy (OT Coleman Shelton) is not on the incoming roster
Lather, Rinse, Repeat
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Yikes! I actually thought Coleman Shelton looked good for being so lowly rated. The OL issues are pathetic. 2010 was a good year, and that's it. The 2012 class signed 4 guys and they were all plan B/C guys except for Dean (already gone).
Lather, Rinse, Repeat is correct. Even if Kim is right about the OL being good in 2014, we will suck again once all the guys from 2010 graduate. -
Good news on Kirkland: Great kid, smart, big and strong
Not so good news: Oregon didn't offer this instate talent (they did sign his high school teammate, center Doug Brenner) because he's slow afoot. Will that hurt him in Sark's new hurry-up offense? TBD. -
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PurpleJ spends a lot of time on his analysis and he deserves our respect.PurpleJ said:FUCK
My analysis is done. -
We're lucky he still posts here
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scouting report on Kirkland, didn't recieve an offer from wsu conclusion: he's crap
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Spoke with YaleDawg recently and he said that he posted on Dawgman that Kirkland sucked (I recall it). Kirkland, a subscriber got pissed and Kim deleted the post. I heard that the way Sark & Nansen recruit most guys (non 4-5* guys) is akin to trying to pick up chicks at 1:55am at the bar. We know that OL is the most difficult position to recruit because its all about player development more so than talent. It takes careful and thorough evaluation. No surprise at the current situation, given what I heard. Mind you, this is only what I'm hearing.
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No worries. Bumper crop next year.
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I wouldn't if I were him.RaceBannon said:We're lucky he still posts here
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I highly doubt Kirkland subscribes to Dawgman. That being said, I know that Yale's opinion of him is that he was not a Division 1 level football player. The Oregon board all had a good laugh when we took his commitment because Chip wouldn't touch him with a ten-foot poleHeretoBeatmyChest said:Spoke with YaleDawg recently and he said that he posted on Dawgman that Kirkland sucked (I recall it). Kirkland, a subscriber got pissed and Kim deleted the post. I heard that the way Sark & Nansen recruit most guys (non 4-5* guys) is akin to trying to pick up chicks at 1:55am at the bar. We know that OL is the most difficult position to recruit because its all about player development more so than talent. It takes careful and thorough evaluation. No surprise at the current situation, given what I heard. Mind you, this is only what I'm hearing.
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bananasnblondes said:
I highly doubt Kirkland subscribes to Dawgman. That being said, I know that Yale's opinion of him is that he was not a Division 1 level football player. The Oregon board all had a good laugh when we took his commitment because Chip wouldn't touch him with a ten-foot poleHeretoBeatmyChest said:Spoke with YaleDawg recently and he said that he posted on Dawgman that Kirkland sucked (I recall it). Kirkland, a subscriber got pissed and Kim deleted the post. I heard that the way Sark & Nansen recruit most guys (non 4-5* guys) is akin to trying to pick up chicks at 1:55am at the bar. We know that OL is the most difficult position to recruit because its all about player development more so than talent. It takes careful and thorough evaluation. No surprise at the current situation, given what I heard. Mind you, this is only what I'm hearing.
UW recruits do often subscribe to Dawgman. You think these kids don't like reading about themselves and seeing what the fans say about them?
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So do current players. That is why they don't play well - why would they reward our mockery with success?RoadDawg55 said:bananasnblondes said:
I highly doubt Kirkland subscribes to Dawgman. That being said, I know that Yale's opinion of him is that he was not a Division 1 level football player. The Oregon board all had a good laugh when we took his commitment because Chip wouldn't touch him with a ten-foot poleHeretoBeatmyChest said:Spoke with YaleDawg recently and he said that he posted on Dawgman that Kirkland sucked (I recall it). Kirkland, a subscriber got pissed and Kim deleted the post. I heard that the way Sark & Nansen recruit most guys (non 4-5* guys) is akin to trying to pick up chicks at 1:55am at the bar. We know that OL is the most difficult position to recruit because its all about player development more so than talent. It takes careful and thorough evaluation. No surprise at the current situation, given what I heard. Mind you, this is only what I'm hearing.
UW recruits do often subscribe to Dawgman. You think these kids don't like reading about themselves and seeing what the fans say about them? -
Parents and recruits read this board. Clean it up.
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I'm sick of this shit.bananasnblondes said:Sark met his quota again by getting 2 offensive linemen
1) Dane Crane - Center - Supposed to be really good
2) Andrew Kirkland - Guard - General consensus is he will have to get A LOT better to contribute to a D-1 team
The last minute, garbage time, desperation offer guy (OT Coleman Shelton) is not on the incoming roster
Lather, Rinse, Repeat
Here is a video of cozzetto arriving at a recruit's house in his car: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jt4TjhPdyW8 -
Our starting 5 look great:
LT - Zach Banner
LG - Nick Rowland
C- Hroniss Grasu
RG - Josh Garnett
RT - Stephane Nembot
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Wouldn't that be something?IrishDawg22 said:Our starting 5 look great:
LT - Zach Banner
LG - Nick Rowland
C- Hroniss Grasu
RG - Josh Garnett
RT - Stephane Nembot
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I hate to be a wdwha guy, but I have seen Banner play 4 times from his sophomore to senior year, and he sucks. I will be surprised if he ever does shit at USC. He gave up sacks to shitty teams. The excuse the dawgman guys gave was that he was too big to block a 6'0" 210 DE and when he blocked players closer to his size he would do well. It was the worst analysis I ever heard, not that it was all that surprising.IrishDawg22 said:Our starting 5 look great:
LT - Zach Banner
LG - Nick Rowland
C- Hroniss Grasu
RG - Josh Garnett
RT - Stephane Nembot
Oops!!!
I guess beggars can't be choosers, but Banner was very overrated. Greg Biggins said the same thing as well. He should have stuck to basketball IMO.
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Ok, you can replace Banner with:RoadDawg55 said:
I hate to be a wdwha guy, but I have seen Banner play 4 times from his sophomore to senior year, and he sucks. I will be surprised if he ever does shit at USC. He gave up sacks to shitty teams. The excuse the dawgman guys gave was that he was too big to block a 6'0" 210 DE and when he blocked players closer to his size he would do well. It was the worst analysis I ever heard, not that it was all that surprising.IrishDawg22 said:Our starting 5 look great:
LT - Zach Banner
LG - Nick Rowland
C- Hroniss Grasu
RG - Josh Garnett
RT - Stephane Nembot
Oops!!!
I guess beggars can't be choosers, but Banner was very overrated. Greg Biggins said the same thing as well. He should have stuck to basketball IMO.
Jeremiah Poutasi
Nico Falah
Poasi Moala
Grant Enger (moved to G)
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OL is low priority for Sark even though he would never admit it. And fundamentally he made his first mistake by hiring Dan Cozzetto when his first choice from Cal reversed and turned Sark down. Cozzetto is a mean-spirited screamer who cannot teach. None of these talented OL prospects want to play for him, since word of his style has got out. Of course other teams use Cozzetto against us in recruiting. But Sark has kept Cozzetto despite the most inept years of OL recruiting and development in UW football history.
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The Cal OL coach got up here, quickly saw that Sark's staff had a frat house mentality, and wanted no part of it when others wanted his services.
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Yeah. Banner was way overrated because he was so big as a 9th grader. I used to work out at the same place as him and watched him struggle to bench 225. This was after he had already committed to USC. The sad thing is he will probably transfer to UW in a year after not sniffing the field at USC and the doogs will say "who says Sark can't pull in big time O Linemen?"RoadDawg55 said:
I hate to be a wdwha guy, but I have seen Banner play 4 times from his sophomore to senior year, and he sucks. I will be surprised if he ever does shit at USC. He gave up sacks to shitty teams. The excuse the dawgman guys gave was that he was too big to block a 6'0" 210 DE and when he blocked players closer to his size he would do well. It was the worst analysis I ever heard, not that it was all that surprising.IrishDawg22 said:Our starting 5 look great:
LT - Zach Banner
LG - Nick Rowland
C- Hroniss Grasu
RG - Josh Garnett
RT - Stephane Nembot
Oops!!!
I guess beggars can't be choosers, but Banner was very overrated. Greg Biggins said the same thing as well. He should have stuck to basketball IMO. -
I'm not even kidding someone actually said we have a bumper crop of in state talent in 2015 and I go gee where have I heard that before. Then I was met with "Why are you always so negative about Sark?"MikeDamone said:No worries. Bumper crop next year.
Apparently being honest= being negative.
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Mostly agree, though as bad as the O-line has been under Sark, it was even worse under Tyrone, and I recall you specifically preaching for "continuity" when Tyrone was the coach. I remember you railing against the "coaching carousel" without acknowledging that programs with high expectations hire and fire coaches until they get the right one in place. On the College Fix, you tagged those of us who wanted Mora to take over as "Morans", a label we adopted for our "tribe".Global said:OL is low priority for Sark even though he would never admit it. And fundamentally he made his first mistake by hiring Dan Cozzetto when his first choice from Cal reversed and turned Sark down. Cozzetto is a mean-spirited screamer who cannot teach. None of these talented OL prospects want to play for him, since word of his style has got out. Of course other teams use Cozzetto against us in recruiting. But Sark has kept Cozzetto despite the most inept years of OL recruiting and development in UW football history.
Unacceptable.
The head coach is the most important piece of the puzzle. He is ultimately responsible for all aspects of the program. When he's not getting it done, the program's performance suffers and it's time for a change. Cozzetto is not getting it done, but he is not going to replace himself. As head coach, that is Sark's responsibility. Sark is not getting it done. Not with Cozzetto, not with replacing Nuss, not with preparing the team, not with a great many other details.
Sark should have been fired last year after closing out the season the way he did, just as Tyrone needed to be fired in Hawaii, but in both cases the Athletic Department failed to act. Tyrone subsequently treated us to an 0-12 season. We'll see what Sark has in store this year. Sark is an improvement over Tyrone, but that needs to be viewed in light of Tyrone's standing as the worst head coach in the history of the football program. Sark has proven himself to be mediocre. His teams are subject to blow out losses, they show up to games unprepared, can't win on the road, and can be seen smiling win or lose. There is no way for them to take the next step without vast improvement and a complete change of tone, including adopting some of Cozzetto's "mean-spiritedness" on the field. -
Here's today's lesson in life for you:He_Needs_More_Time said:
I'm not even kidding someone actually said we have a bumper crop of in state talent in 2015 and I go gee where have I heard that before. Then I was met with "Why are you always so negative about Sark?"MikeDamone said:No worries. Bumper crop next year.
Apparently being honest= being negative.
It's never what's being said that matters, it's who is saying it.
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So he joins the Raiders instead????DerekJohnson said:The Cal OL coach got up here, quickly saw that Sark's staff had a frat house mentality, and wanted no part of it when others wanted his services.
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That's too bad, but it does make sense. I remember when Sark hired Michalczik. I thought he'd add a level of experience and maturity to the staff that was obviously missing, and he had done a great job with Cal's O-line. Seemed like a good hire by Sark. I viewed his subsequent move to Oakland as an opportunity for him to stay in the bay area while working for a personal friend and making NFL money.DerekJohnson said:The Cal OL coach got up here, quickly saw that Sark's staff had a frat house mentality, and wanted no part of it when others wanted his services.
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Cozzetto sucks, and it's not even a debate. The last good OL he coached was at ASU in the late 90's. High school recruits were infants and toddlers the last time Cozzetto coached a good OL. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. Having said that, he is not the reason we don't get good OL recruits, Sark is.
Of course, Sark would like to get good OL recruits, but is there any doubt he enjoys recruiting a good QB or WR more than the OL? Don't you think we would have more good OL if Sark personally recruited them and made them know how badly we needed them? Instead, he pawns off the in state guys from 2012 on Cox who fucks it up, and becomes the scapegoat for who is actually responsible for fucking up, the guy in charge, Sark. -
Didn't he end up on the Raiders staff? What does that say about Sark when you choose the Oakland Raiders under Dementia Al Davis over UW?DerekJohnson said:The Cal OL coach got up here, quickly saw that Sark's staff had a frat house mentality, and wanted no part of it when others wanted his services.
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So we can't mock doogs? If that's the case this forum would be pretty dull.DerekJohnson said:
Here's today's lesson in life for you:He_Needs_More_Time said:
I'm not even kidding someone actually said we have a bumper crop of in state talent in 2015 and I go gee where have I heard that before. Then I was met with "Why are you always so negative about Sark?"MikeDamone said:No worries. Bumper crop next year.
Apparently being honest= being negative.
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Did I say that? You're free to say almost anything you want here. But you implied you were exasperated so I was passing along a little wisdom.He_Needs_More_Time said:
So we can't mock doogs? If that's the case this forum would be pretty dull.DerekJohnson said:
Here's today's lesson in life for you:He_Needs_More_Time said:
I'm not even kidding someone actually said we have a bumper crop of in state talent in 2015 and I go gee where have I heard that before. Then I was met with "Why are you always so negative about Sark?"MikeDamone said:No worries. Bumper crop next year.
Apparently being honest= being negative.
It's never what's being said that matters, it's who is saying it.
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